#but yeah i am surprised the ship isn't more famous tbh

[beanghostprincess]

Why is shanks/buggy so underrated in this side of fandom? It’s much more loved in Japanese one, one of the most popular for shanks. I feel like this one prefers other mlm options for him and I don’t get it. It got better after OPLA I think but still. Sorry for my English!

Oh! This is actually such an interesting question. I was talking about this the other day and I came to a conclusion with my friend about this. Basically, there are a lot of things to take into consideration here. The screentime, the age of the characters, the chemistry, how they're perceived by the fandom and canonically, etc etc etc.

The first thing I thought about was the screentime, honestly. Shanks and Buggy grew up together and they have a deep bond, however, we've only seen that through flashbacks (one in quite literally episode 8 of the anime, another one in Wano that isn't even about them and they're just side characters in this flashback, and in chapter 1082 of the manga. But it's not even a proper flashback because we already saw that when Shanks talks to Whitebeard about Buggy, it's just Buggy's interpretation of it) and we only have like one scene of them together that isn't even two minutes long. So, quite obviously you'd think "well, the ship isn't as popular as other ships because they barely have any screentime" and I think it's correct but also not quite. And also, this would also have to apply to the Japanese fandom at the end of the day. Fandoms don't give a single fuck about screen time if the chemistry is right, really, but there's always this factor, y'know. Lawlu has less screentime than Zolu and yet it's more popular somehow because people absolutely love their dynamic. Then, if you stop to think about it, both Satosugu (Jjk) and Soukoku (Bsd) have the same dynamic and concept as Shuggy, but they're by far the most popular ships in their fandoms. They're basically the same ships but Jjk and Bsd give them proper development and story because they're shorter series. One Piece is a long show and we still have many things to see, even if we know it's gonna end soon, so I guess that we'll still have to wait to see more of Shuggy. Once we do, I'm sure it'll become more popular. Also, Shanks' personality is very diverse because he's all mysterious and all, so I kind of understand why people don't want to make content because they still don't have him figured out.

But then again, screen time isn't really the problem. It's just one of the factors. If they had more screen time, they'd be more popular for sure, yes, but it's not exactly what makes them less popular in this side of the fandom. Otherwise, it'd be equally as popular on the other sides too. The Japanese side of fandoms is different from this one and tbh they often don't take into consideration things like cancel culture and proship discourse or the standard beauty regarding age because they just post whatever they want and scroll past what they don't like (god I fucking wish we were like that because I am so done with these things). Besides, isn't Buggy like a very beloved character over there, aside from Oda's favorite? At least from what I've seen, they take his character way more seriously than this side of the fandom does, honestly. And it bothers me because he's such a complex and great character, and people never see it because they use him either for memes or to keep saying "omggg turns out the clown is hot!! Can you believe I want to fuck a clow-" yes, Samantha, we know you want to fuck the clown. It's not weird. It's not new. Do you even like the character, at least, or you're just using him to say how kinky and quirky you are? (And I don't even care about the sexualization of characters because, again, fictional characters are fictional characters and you don't have to take everything so seriously. I have tons of characters I don't like that much but only stan because I find them hot and that's alright. But damn, it bothers me sometimes).

Anyway, with this, I wanna say that there are other things to have in mind when talking about this.

Recently (I know it's not exactly new but in fandom years? Recently) there has been a huge thing surrounding the term "old men yaoi". People are so down bad for middle-aged men and they see two of them together and they instantly go "omg they're soo married" but that's- That's it? That's just it. They don't even ship them, they just find the concept of older men hot because "omg he's such a dilf" and they want to fuck both of them. But they never end up doing anything with it. They try to be so groundbreaking like "ohh I am SO woke by shipping these two old men! See? Breaking stereotypes!" because both irl and online, age has always been a very stigmatized thing. Apparently you can't be in a fandom if you're older than 25 because then you're weird, and if there's an actress older than 50 she's instantly useless for the industry.

What I want to say with this is that most people in the fandom are young. They're young and they like attractive, young, hot people and they don't want old, unconventionally attractive men. They don't want them unless it's to give a "hot take" and to be super progressive and woke. Do you know what they like? They like Dilfs. They like Shanks because he's conventionally attractive and good with kids and he's the standard for a Dilf. Because he's hot and mysterious but also silly and quirky and "he's almost forty that is so hot something something daddy kink". And they don't want to see him fucking someone his age because God forbid this man has a personality outside being a Dilf. Younger people in the fandom constantly read y/n fics regarding Shanks because they want him to fuck them and not Buggy. And they can't project in these old men, so they publicly say "oh, Shanks and Buggy are so married" because it's just a fact the fandom made clear, but they don't really like the content. Because liking Buggy sexually, apparently, is just so weird. Or as a character. Nobody wants to say their favorite character is the failguy clown. It's a hot take when you say that Buggy is hot because people keep being all weird about it when... Uh... He's- He's just a clown. Guys. It's not weird. Or bad. Who raised you to think that? God, I find Monet extremely hot and she's half-bird. Could we please normalize these things? They're fictional characters. And also, stop reducing Buggy to his jokes or the fact that he's a clown because his character is GREAT and complex and it just bothers me so much.

This makes me think about this whole "background couple" thing. Which are basically couples that are canon or that are so popular and obvious that people, instead of making content for them (because why would you make content for a canon couple?) just place them in the background instead. There are so many fanfics in which Shuggy is a background couple. Or studies in which, instead of analyzing them, they're used only for parallelisms. This happens with, idk, Saboala? Frobin? Yamace? People don't like couples that everybody agrees on. They don't like m/f ships because they can't be woke!!!!! And queer!!!! (when they easily could but whatever). They don't like ships that everybody likes because!!!!!! They're canon already and why would you write about them???? And so, Shuggy stays a bit more as a side couple instead. For being old and unconventionally unattractive and not having much screentime, but being extremely popular. Not in a "content" way, but in a "knowledge" way. Even the general audience thinks their bond is crucial to the story, c'mon.

One of the differences that this side of the fandom has with the Japanese one, as I mentioned before, is the cancel culture and proship discourse thing. They just don't have that concept. And that's perfect, honestly, I wish we could just scroll past what we don't like too and live peacefully because the discourse is getting tiring. And also you have to admit that, because of the anti propaganda going around, now fandoms have turned into the most puritan thing in the world. Beware! Sex! Age difference between fictional characters that have a consensual and healthy and mature relationship! Oh! God forbid teenagers have sex with people their age! Ohmygodjustshutup. And so, Shuggy isn't a problematic ship. Not even close. But inside the OP world, people do say they are brothers. They keep talking about each other like that, too. And I don't even think it's the typical "we say they're like brothers so you don't think they're gay because they're both guys and guys can't kiss" (I am having flashbacks from the IT fandom). They do have the same parents. Like- We all agree Shanks and Buggy were both raised by Roger and Rayleigh and they consider them, if not their dads, parental figures at least. Right? And you're aware that doesn't make it incest, right? Both things can coexist. Foster families are a thing. Lots of people who grew up together and consider the same people their parental figures end up dating because they don't see each other as siblings. Well, most people don't see it this way and hear the word "brother" and run from it like it's a fucking virus. The Japanese side of the fandom doesn't give a fuck because they're fictional and because they're y'know, not brothers? And even if they were, cancel culture and proship discourse is so fucking stupid to them because they follow the "don't like don't look" thing. But on this side of the fandom, a lot of people see them as brothers and the other half sees them as a divorced couple and apparently nobody knows how to fucking read this manga and have a proper fandom experience without jumping to each other's throats at the minimum disagreement.

So, to summarize: People on this side of the fandom don't like Shuggy THAT much and it isn't such a popular ship in comparison to the Japanese side, because young people don't like older men together, they don't focus on unconventionally attractive characters, are afraid of any little possibility of cancelation, and also, well, Shuggy doesn't have much screentime anyway so there's not much we can do with that.

[alexjcrowley]

So I watched The Virgin Suicides the other day and it was a film that I thought I would have loved but, instead, I found it underwhelming. If you wanna fight me on that, stop reading this post already because it's NOT on The Virgin Suicides, but on another movie completely.

Seen as I thought I would have loved The Virgin Suicides and I didn't, because I am tired ans recovering from a day long hangover I decided to watch a movie I never wanted to watch because I could already tell I was going to hate it: Pacific Rim. Now, other than the obvious reasons of the experiment and also my brain not being able to understand anything deeper than Pacific Rim right now, I have other reasons to watch this movie: Charlie Day, Burn Gorman (am I the only one who watched Forever?) and their ship, which I was aware of even before I was aware of the movie.

I have also a history and not being very on-board with del Toro's works lately, namely Pinocchio's movie (another movie I thought I was gonna love), Crimson Peak (I have a list of complains I have been keeping to myself since 2015) and Cabinet of Curiosites (cool project, execution meh). But, believe it or not, I like usually like del Toro's work. I usually like it a lot. I honestly couldn't believe something that I have always thought as bootleg Evangelion could be directed by him, but hey, life wouldn't be as beautiful as it is without surprises.

So now I am watching Pacific Rim. And to anyone who cares, I am noting down my thoughts as I go.

The initial monologue already makes me laugh, I'm sorry, it feels so...rushed

Cool things exploring the pilot becoming famous stuff and the toys and the marketing of war, quite brilliant tbh

The pilots are already the most annoying things put on this Earth

Was that a Star Wars quote?

"Yeah we're like not smart or strong or talented or anything we just basically hit the genetic jackpot for piloting this stuff" tell me this was intentional satire

It's still so unbelievable to me this is a legit expensive movie with great directing and good actors.

this movie looks like it was 2013.

I feel like this whole merging mind and strong bond themes will be interpret by the fandom as sexual metaphors.

For some reasons to me the whole equipment things look like a Dance Dance Revolution platform but like way more advanced.

"Let's go fishing" this is SO corny my God

The monologues take themselves way too seriously I can't help snothing every time

There's something about the way they're showing us the monster I really like. Just parts of it. Not all together. This way you build tension, this way you make the spectator feel powerless because they still don't know how exactly this monster looks, they are at loss. Very, very nicely done.

Yeah I can't take this seriously I am trying but I just can't. Also I don't give a fuck about the battle. Where's Charlie Day.

Bruh why is Idris Elba there

Oh so. So he's fucking dead. I mean I am still laughing but I am impressed.

Is he going to grunt in pain for long?

What the fuck was that transition.

Cool scene small robot big robot not gonna lie

This whole scene of him panting is cool, but it would have been cooler without the dramatic music trying to make this more "epic".

OH IT'S SO COOK WHEN THE BLOCKS STARTED TO FALL OH MY GOD THE TITLE THE TITLE IS SO FUCKING COOL

Nice shots of destroyed city

Now my old anime fan mind made the connection Jeager-AOT, wow, I am tired

All the politicians look like cunts

Was that a drug?

Idris Elba I love you but this whole "we don't need them stuff" I really don't like this, there are few things I hate more than movies trying to make militaries look really cool when they break the rules

Oh so the Trump solution. Really like. Real subtle there. (I KNOW Trump wasn't elected yet in 2013 but you get it. Like even before him wall rethorics to stop "dangers"). Like here it would even be justified to build a wall, why are they making it so- oh wait this is actually just Attack on Titan, isn't it.

Where is Charlie Day.

Cool visuals.

THE ROBOT SHOOTS MISSLES FROM HIS TITS?

Maybe I have like. Already forgotten who the pilot in TV fucking is.

I don't know why but Charlie Hunmanby way to talk in this movie makes me laugh so much

No yeah so Charlie Hunnam stands up and walks NOT to face Idris Elba? Who wrote this. Who wrote the fake epic moments.

Charlie Hunnam you are a good actor, so what happened to you?

"Where would you rather die?" Who gives a FUCK he is gonna die anyway

This movie cannot make me believe in the reasons of his characters for 10 seconds I swear. I cannot empathise with anyone. Yeah even if Charlie Hunnam's figurative brother died while they were connected.

Who's the sexy lady

Bilingual flex

THE REASONS WHY I WATCHED THIS MOVIE, HERE THEY ARE

Charlie Day whatever drugs are you on I'd like to try them

Oh God so like they're married-married

Charlie Day I fucking love you

Also the first thing popping through my mind is that Newt is like the same Newt from Good Omens and this makes no sense whatsoever

So Newt is like Hanji, I think?

Hermann and Newt are my only two braincells

Newt talking about kaijus🤝me taking about cannibalism

I missed Burn Gorman's voice so much

Charlie Hunnam why are you the main character

Feels a lot like Star Wars the Shutterdome

Okay so now here is one of my pet peeves. The clock. This is a super technological military base and you have a vintage clock for...aesthetic? A clock which tells you the most important thing ever aka when the kaijus are going to attack? And it's old timey to make it cute? Shut up.

I thought the huge explanation of the robots would have bored me but actually no.

Of the course they're Siberian so they're blond BUT he has a dark beard???? So he is not naturally blond????? But he is blond like his sisters so did they get matching hair dye just because??????

Thank God Charlie Day and Burn Gorman are back

Hermann has a cane? Super nice detail

Why isn't this movie abito Hermann and Newt

"Politics and poetry, promises, these are lies" he is like the anti Professor Keating

"Numbers are as close as we get to the handwriting of God" HOLD. THE FUCK UP. THIS IS ON OF THE RAWEST LINES I HAVE EVER HEARD. AND IT'S COMING FROM THIS MOVIE??????? DAMN. RESPECT.

SHUT UP NEWT HERMANN WAS HAVING A REAL EPIC MOMENT

I am Newt oh God I am Newt IT'S NOT SO EASY TO GET TO THE POINT F8RST I HAVE TO DO MY LONG ASS INTRODUCTION OR I WILL DIE

"The neural surge would be too much for a human brain" IDRIS ELBA SHUT UP YOU'RE NOT A DOCTOR

"Fortune favors the brave, dude" it is genuinely so nice hearing latin quotes still being used today, especially when they're being translated in other languages and are used "casually". Makes me feel proud of my studies.

BE A ROCK STAR, DUDE, BE A ROCK STAR

The visuals are really cool at times

I love Mori's hair

"You are unpredictable" he is the most basic male protagonist I have ever seen

WHY DID YOU BRING HIM HERE IF YOU DIDN'T THINK HE WAS THE RIGHT ONE

Sex? Sex tension? Maybe?

The urge to skip every scene that doesn't have Charlie Day or Burn Gorman in it

Bruh do not insult construction workers I will kill you

The most anticlimactic uncharismatic villain I have ever seen. He is evil because he is evil and is mean because we need a bad guy.

Combat scenes I thought were going to bore me but actually not.

Mori kick his ass

I don't understand what they're doing but I am intrigued

I am way more interested in Charlie Hunnam's plot now that Mori is copilot

Wait is she not

Bruh do not come up to her like that I thought you were gonna beat her up

Becket stop being a classic American hero for 1 minute

IDRIS ARE YOU SICK??? IS THAT TUBERCOLOSIS (It is not)

Newt is literally me.

It was supposed to be an emotional scene with the shoe and all but it's like. They're constantly trying to make scene emotional in this movie. But for me they just can't do it.

I feel like this going inside someone's mind thing should cause way more problems. Like someone can see my whole mind? Bet they're going to find something real fucked up or that angers them a lot so they just stop fighting the Kaiju to beat me up. Feels like that is what would actually happen.

I feel like the way Gorman is running with the cane is not very realistic. Coming from someone with a very weak ankle that had to use crutches a lot, especially recently.

"YOU! SHUT UP! You, keep talking" I feel like it has meme potential

BAD GUYS ARE ACTUALLY COLONIZERS, I AM BERY HYPED FOR THIS STORYLINE. LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO COLONIZERS SUCK.

IDRIS DO YOU WANT NEWT DEAD?????

Keep calling him Idris because I don't remember his name in the movie

Guy named Hannibal Chau was really hoping Mad Mikkelsen would have showed up

I really like the kaiju's design

Also I don't understand why she is holding a shoe? Is it broken? It doesn't look broken to me

I actually felt a bit of tension here, with Mako risking to fuck all up

Dearest Newt it would have killed you to bring an umbrella

I thought Kaiju bone powder was cocaine. It's actually Viagra. Alright.

OH THAT DOOR IS SO COOL. OH MY GOD WHY AM I REACTING LIKE NEWT.

I want Hannibal Chau's shoes. Love the whole outfit, actually. He slays. THE SUNGLASSES.

Hannibal Chau you're everything I wanna be. Also historical character? Damn you're killing it with the Ancient Rome reference, I thought it was after the cannibal.

Why all the military have the most annoying accent accents I have ever heard.

Bruh is Mako is your attack dog now

Like they're probably gonna make them fall in love but I like Raleigh and Mako as besties.

"You just hold back your little girlfriend" see he is the villain because he perpetuates amatonormativity

"One of you birches needs a leash" not gonna lie this line was fire

Raleigh stop with the fucking white knighting, Mako can kick both of your asses on her own, you know she can

No seriously can Mako say or do something and not stay in the back.

The combats scene are very cool in this movie

MAKO WHY DID YOU JUST STAND THERE.

Idris Elba vome on don't be so harsh on her

I love the kid actor for Malo and honestly I am not so fond of child actors usually. She is good.

The epic moments in this movie try to hard to be epic, also the transitions kinda suck.

Idris Elba in this movie is a such a mood "One, don't you ever touch me again. Two, don't you ever touch me again." me @/anybody

I honestly think I couldn't be able to go through this whole movie if the fake epic moments weren't done by Idris Elba, he is so good he makes decent scenes that I would have found excruciating otherwise. I hope they paid him a lot of money for this role.

Why is Charlie Hunnam acting like shit I HAVE SEEN HIM ACT GOOD. He says every sentence with such gravity you do not distinguish when you are really supposed to take him seriously.

Did Tendo stole 11th Doctor's wardrobe?

I am so bored by the robot scenes I am filling up the hashtags for the post rn

NEWT IS BACK????

Newt going from "I can't tell you" to "I'm gonna tell you" is peak literally me who cares about Ryan Gosling

Hannibal Chau looks like he came straight out Jujutsu Kaisen

Watching a robot movie not caring about the robots or any characters that are actually in it (the bad guy, the two Siberians, the Chinese triplets) is something. Like yeah go die in a pitch or smth see if I care. Give us nothing or give us everything it's the same to me.

I am really trying not to skip this part

I SAW GOTTLOEB IN THE BACKGROUND MY WILL TO LIVE IS RESTORED♡♡♡♡

Yeah no the monsters are pretty cool. I hope they win.

I smell something burning in my room it either a heart attack of I don't know. Maybe I should worry.

Fuck I can't understand where the burning smell comes from

Are they done yet with the battle?

TITS MISSILES MY FAVOURITE PART

No tits missiles????????

Yeah pretty fucking convenient yours's the only analogue

Okay Newt maybe you're drifting idea was kinda dumb if you didn't consider the two way brain

Bruh Hannibal Chau is so cool I want him to teach me how to be cool

Hermann go get your husband

Also this movie is set in 2020, I love old movies setting in the 2020 not having Coronavirus of course so I can legitimately say they canonically explore other timelines.

So not interested in the bad guy and his father

Of course they're Americans so they're trying to shoot guns at a beast that's 10 billions times bigger than them peak USA representation

Okay so obviously they are suddenly good at piloting this shit together because it's a movie and that's what happens in movie and now they need a win to demonstrate Idris Elba they were right

Are they gonna fight monsters for long yet? Are they?

I am thinking of all the damages done to the city and this makes me anxious. Of course like the monsters were going to destroy the city anyway so any collateral damage done by the robots are justified to me but I am so anxious.

Definitely dead. Also, very nice, BE SURE YOU KILLED THAT GUY. YEAH, DON'T LIKE END UP GETTING FUCKED BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T THOROUGH. LOVE THAT SHIT, WHEN CHARACTERS DO THING THAT MAKE SENSE.

Why is Newt the only one not flinching.

Okay but I love the concept of everyone pushing Newr to the Kaijus. Peak human behaviour. Datk just enough.

Did he...lick him? He went to lick Newt like a dog and then went away? What even. Loved it.

I have to see robots fight????? Again???? In my robot fighting movie?????? Despicable and a tragedy.

I need Hermann back, I miss him.

Dumb as fuck that scene with Newton's cradle but I liked it so much.

I would judge their battle dynamics but I don't want to invest so much attention into them

A FUCKING SWORD?????

"For my family" corny af

Liked the calm electronic voice while they were falling and it was nearly silent

So very anxious about the city damages

HERMANN YOU'RR BACK♡♡♡♡♡

MEWT MY BELOVED

"GUESS WHO'S BACK YOU ONE EYED BITCH" sir how do you feel about marriage? Like I am usually against it, but for you, for you I'd make an exception

I want Idris Elba as my parental figure he gives steadiness

BRUH DROP THE ILLNESS NAME

I love the mini kaijus

Becoming a kaiju grrroupie

The pelvic area? Are they in the kaijussy?

THE KAIJUSSY IS HAVING A BABY

BABY!!!!!! COME TO MAMA!!!!!!!!!

Wait is like Newt the father of the baby, though the drift or smth

Hermann good news you two can adopt now

HANNIBAL NO

Well Charlie Hunnam you're not entitled to know Idris Elba's medical conditions

HERMANN AND NEWT TOGETHER???? WHAT A TREAT

Hermann bestie you're craaaaazy

I am Newton Geiszler around my friends Hermann Gottlieb with everyone else (I have the funniest story about messing up a handshake)

They're in lobe your honour

Idris shit man you ain't gonna be alright

IDRIS DO NOT GO DO NOT ABANDON YOUR DAUGHTER

Actually I am a bit emotional for this one

Cool speech moment I couldn't care less about

"Today we are cancelling the apocalypse" plot of Good Omens in a nutshell

"You're an egotistical jerk with daddy issues" or, as I like to call it, lazy writing

Am I supposed to care about him now? Too late I guess

BEAUTIFUL DOG I WANNA HUG

So Idris Elba's name is Stacker, got it after more than an hour

Nice scene when the father says "that's my son you got there" though. It felt emotional.

NEWT AND HERMANN♡♡♡♡♡♡

Also like it seems a lot easier to be drift compatible, at the beginning of the movie it felt like a very complicated thing

Convenient toilet

Newton has ripped jeans? He's really 2 cool 4 school

"Move you, fascist" hits different for an Italian in 2023

I actually like this plot with the signature and the barcode for the breach

There are 13 minutes left I am so scared they'll all be about robot fighting I cannot watch them for so long without any interruption

What that sword is made of seriously

The ONLY reason I am still watching is because I hope there's another scene with Newt and Hermann

Okay actually emotional over Idris Elba and Mako

Are they gonna die? No wait guys I do not like you but you can't die

YOU ALLED HIM SENSEI? LIKE OKAY BUT I WPUOD HAVE LIKED IT BETTER IF YOU HAD CALLED HIM DAD

Again, this doesn't feel as epic as it should for me. Rationally I know it is epic but I am not feeling it.

How many minutes left I am getting restless

The fall dialogue was fine. I liked it. "Anyone can fall"

I love the Kaijus design

Wait and it's so powerful that they killed the breach? Entirely? I don't know how I feel about that.

Interstellar reference????

YEAH HE IS ALIVE I don't even care about him anything I am relieved???

So it's done? Breach killed and all that?

HERMANN AND NEWT ARE GOING TO KILL ME♡♡♡♡♡

Nice seeing the father sad for his son

So they're in love now? I hope not. I liked them as besties

In the end, did I like this movie? No, that's pretty much a no, although I went in expecting to hate it 100%, while actually it was more like 85%. It's not a joke, honestly there were some nice things for me and the fact that I didn't completely hate it took me by surprise and I do consider this a victory. I heard the second one sucks, but since Charlie Day and Burn Gorman are still gonna slay in it, I'll watch it. The experiment could have gone worse, I am proud of myself.