#but when jake is the one who slept with marlene & is the one present in diatrice's life - why doesn't she get to call him dad?

[lionofstone]

thinking about diatrice alraune again (thanks, @xenonmoon for your mk blogging!) and how much her existence frustrates me. that run has a multitude of flaws but the one that always gets me grinding my teeth is how little of diatrice's existence makes sense. i can understand marlene hooking up with jake (even if i do think it's slightly ooc because marlene always seemed to like jake the least—i do like that jake likes and cares for her, and later runs do somewhat interesting things with it) but i HATE that they act as though jake isn't her father?? jake is the only one, at this point, who has any kind of relationship with marlene. he's the one who slept with her, he's the one who goes to visit her, and yet diatrice knows him as uncle jake?? literally WHY. why did they tell her that marc is her father??? why does marc immediately accept this???? i think it's such a disservice to all the characters involved. marc is made to feel like an absent father, jake isn't even allowed to refer to his daughter as such, marlene continues to be so incredibly blasé about the system and her treatment of them, and diatrice is given a really incomplete impression of her family dynamic. (also what about steven?? does steven even play in at all? i don't remember. but like, in the og comics, steven was the one who marlene liked best/was dating, even if they retconned that sometime in the 90s. shouldn't he also care about this child he knew nothing about???)

[luxshine]

It also contradicts itself horribly.

It sort of alludes that Rabbi Spector had DiD too, when the man spent his LIFE trying to force Marc to be "normal" and ignoring Jake and Steven.

Then points out that JAKE came out to save Marc from said immortal Serial Killer, after trying to convince us that Jake is "the worst" in Marc. But... the serial Killer incident happened when the guys were about 12? So... what could be "the Worst" in Marc at that age? And... Jake SAVED MARC from a NAZI! How that is "The Worst"?

Then, of course, has Marc LISTENING to Ernst when they meet in the present because... reasons? (the infamous dolphin thing that I will never let go because it proves that Marc is the violent one, not Jake). The Truth had previously become reformed and a Marc sort of ally against Sun King, so the change is so strange it comes from nowhere... And that's not taking in account the whole "Marlene slept willingly with Jake when she wanted to be with Marc" given that Marlene HATED Marc and Jake, and only wanted to be with Steven.

I HATE the Bemis era, and yes, I am among the ones who wishes that it's retconned out of existence because not every jewish character needs to have a frigging nazi in their backstory.

(There are TWO things that are good from the Bemis era: Darlene AND the panel with Khonshu fishing with the boys. EVERYTHING ELSE is trash)

I just reblogged this, which you should all go read, on Judiasm and how Moon Knight the show actually handled it and I've got to just comment on the point about Bemis' origin storyline.

Mainly I'm REALLY surprised how many professed Moon Knight comic fans are hugely attached to his "origin" retcon, where he establishes there's a serial killer in Marc's past. Because it's not a classic origin. Marc's classic origin DOES tie into his witnessing antisemitism and a philosophical disagreement with his father on how to respond to it, but this whole thing about a hate crime and an immortal serial killer having infiltrated the Jewish community is like 5 years old, at most.

And the run has a character called the Truth who convinces people to change their belief systems, that the immortal villain Ernst is using somehow to try and rewrite the past so I don't really understand why it wasn't just considered retconned out right at the end of the storyarc.

Especially since everyone seems willing to disregard the Bemis run based on all the out-of-fucking-nowhere Jake-bashing that occurs in it anyway. Bemis resets the system in an ID-Ego-Superego setup with a heavy amount of moral dumping on the ID, poor Jake, in the dialogue.

So why people were like, ATTACHED to that story I don't quite get. It's basically like thinking Flashpoint is a classic Flash storyline, or that Wonder Woman has always been Zeus' daughter. This is like, a new thing, not a thing that's core to the character. I mean, everyone agrees the BEST Moon Knight run was Lemire and that was the YEAR BEFORE this.