#but more than ANYTHING. I've felt the impact of first-hook flakes. especially on survivor gameplay since it hurts them more.

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I want to say that I cannot believe that there are genuinely people who blame the finisher moris being implemented as the cause for "increased DCs," but it's just like survivor-only players to blame some miniscule change made to slightly improve killer gameplay for a problem that it did not create.

As a killer main, I rarely even use the finisher mori feature. And when I play survivor, I almost never see other killer players use it. They almost always would rather take the sacrifice on the hook, just like I would. Especially NOW, during the event, when event hooks offer more points! If a killer player is hellbent on using a mori, they usually bring an iridescent mori offering and simply tunnel off hook to get as many as possible. This kind of match accounts for but a small fraction of games, though, and I've encountered only one killer who did this throughout the whole haunted by daylight event.

besides, it's outrageous to even suggest this of a feature that only works in endgame, when only a single survivor physically remains in the trial. how does this mechanic's existence explain the high number of survivors (because it mostly IS survivors who do this) who allegedly DC at the beginning of a match?

Well first, that's not even the issue imo. DCs are happening, but they are definitely not as common as survivors either being caught, or letting themselves be caught, and then offing themselves immediately on their FIRST damn hook, preventing their teammates from even getting a damn bot in their stead.

As both killer and survivor, I've fairly regularly seen a survivor off themselves on first hook. And it's not even just against annoying killers like Pinhead or Blight. I had survivors off themselves immediately when playing a variety of killers, as well as when I played against a variety of killers. From Bubba, to Ghostface, to Hux, to Drac. Like, it doesn't seem to matter, some dipshit survivor will off themselves right off the bat, no matter what side you play.

Although, I will say that I saw this happen more often when I myself was playing survivor. Which is definitely more frustrating, because as killer, you at least have the control to set the pace of the match. You can still sacrifice everyone, but instead of slaughtering everyone right away, you can engage in chases and let them do some generators so that the match feels more satisfying for everyone.

But as survivor? When your teammate offs themselves immediately, you have no control over anything, let alone the pace of the match. In fact, your teammate doing this tends to accelerate the rate at which the match goes to shit in more ways than one. More often than not, players won't notice/won't actually be able to use the hook progression bar to tell that their teammate is doing this, and will run to the hook for the save. Hell, most of the time, even when they DO realise, they will still rush to unhook. Why? Because at least forcing the player on hook to potentially DC instead gives the team a bot. The problem with this whole scenario, though, is that the killer might come to interrupt the save, because that's a totally normal, viable, and expected thing for a killer to do!

So let's say you get the unhook, but go down in the process? What do many of these quitters then do when given a second chance?

STAND THERE AND LET THE KILLER DOWN THEM AGAIN.

But if you don't get the unhook, you likely might still become injured. Regardless-- You lose a teammate right off the bat, often at four, five generators left.

The craziest part about all of this? Is that I've actually seen killers try to prevent this from happening MULTIPLE TIMES. I've also tried to prevent a survivor from doing this myself! But you often can't! Even if you stay nearby so their self-unhook meter fills up, they can miss the skill checks required to die faster than you can fill that meter. You just have to hope that their teammates will unhook before they end it, and then ignore that survivor in hopes of forcing them to play. Which...also...rarely works. More often than not, they'll just stand there and go AFK, or worse yet-- will audio spam you, the killer, until you do at least down them.

And, honestly, the responsibility to somehow prevent this from happening shouldn't be placed on the killer player. Nor should they be, like, shamed by the remaining survivors if they do just take the route of ending the match as quickly as possible instead of semi-farming/fully farming. Believe it or not, a lot of killers do prefer experiencing a hard-won victory to a total steamroll, because it actually demonstrates that they are capable of adapting to challenges and outplaying survivors despite potential difficulties. That, and well, it's not their fault. It's your dumbfuck entitled teammate's fault, because apparently they're too good to play against [insert literally any killer] now.

Like, of course, there are absolutely deplorable killer players out there. Believe me, I know. As a trans guy who uses both the trans pride charm and player icon, I've gotten my fair share of bullshit from BOTH sides. But this "end it all on first hook" problem is on the survivors doing it, man. Like, no one is forcing their hand. They're choosing to do that, and specifically in a way that hurts THEIR TEAMMATES more than the killer player. Really, really do not understand how people are attributing finisher moris to this issue.