#but like i said i haven't really sat down and looked at every ep where they fight

[hiimtracher]

ch1 ep 2 a new mission and friend

After waking up hrom went to the ships deck passing Marceline and getting her to tag along. after reaching the captains cabin they saw he was not there so they assumed he was steering the ship. out of a sudden someone shouted "SHORE" and that was the que they needed to go back and pack up.

the ship parked in the docks of the newfound land and Marceline and hrom got off and headed to the porttown. when they were going throug it's streets they saw all the shops and smelled the salty odor of smoked fish. they went to the pickinic tabels and sat down. and then they saw a lost soul running and screaming for help Marceline and hrom pulled out thier staffs and the weather started to turn slowly, then the lost soul ran past them and they saw what they were running from.

a half troll, but he was just going after the person, he wasn't aggresive and looked worried, hrom pointed his staff at the troll and it stopped as if not sure what to do. hrom yelled althoug not agressivly "what's your name" and the troll responded with "Peter warnish" a tone of fear could be heard in his voice. they turned thier wepons away

Peter - oh thank god, i thought you would try to hurt me, please don't run i don't mean harm.

hrom - why were you chasing the guy?

Peter - i wanted food, i am hungry. ! .wait hold i don't mean to eat him i mean to eat something else.

hrom - you're hungry. well why aren't you at your village then? I heard that your kind makes settelments and lives like other people.

Peter - oh if it was that simple. You see, my village was attacked by merefolk. they were unusually aggresive towards us and they went on a rampage. i ran away and was trying to find a home somewhere safe, but, i guess, no one wanted me anywhere near thier home. Please be a kind soul and help me out.

hrom - … well, Marceline what do you say, we also haven't eaten yet and i am getting hungry too. we could share a meal together. i packed a two weeks fill for the trip here. and there's a campfire over there.

Marceline - i mean, sure. i could get some food myself

so the group sat down as hrom took out a pot of soup out of his backpack, it was one of the meals he had, and it was filled with soup, it was for more than one day for sure. He put it over the fire that was left over by a diffrent group. when the soup was done he handed everyone a bowl with a portion of it, and he packed the leftovers in the pot. they ate it with delight, and when everyone was done they started to chat.

Peter - that was delicious. thanks you two.

hrom - no problem, but i've got to ask. where will you go now, i don't know if the others will treat you as nicely

Marceline - i've got an idea! maybe you could join us! i mean we are just two people with tons to carry and we probably will have more. and you are a strong half troll that intimidates pretty much every other person that sees you and with that we were looking for more teammates that are form here. you would help us a ton!

Peter - really? i suppose i could join, but wouldn't i scare of potential friends and teammates?

hrom - if they are brave enough they will join in with you on our team, and that's the people we want anyway.

Peter - if that's the case i'll gladly join in. do you have anywhere to stay though you are new to these lands from what you said.

hrom - hmmm are there monster slaying guilds here we could join one and be a pretty good team

Marceline - from the map i read there is one in the outer parts of the town

and so the group got up and went to the place. getting a few looks at them wasn't anything they worried about and they got to the location in no time.

they joined in, filled the form about the party, mainly that they are still expanding it, and got thier first mission, they were ment to control the population of the moutain harpies. but before they could get there they got thier two rooms, one with two beds for Marceline and a potential new person, and one with two beds for hrom and Peter. they set to sleep and the nest day they will go harpy hunting

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i would eat up yr analysis regardless just bc I like contrarian to the norm interpretations dnsjdbdj

Hahaha WELL okay so first I don't think any of the kids are that good at fighting, but I do think that Stan's gang is better than Craig's. And a lot of that comes down to I think Craig's gang tend to have more 'normal' families. There's occasions where they're all playing where Craig's side seem to think it's WEIRD how seriously Stan's guys play games, while Stan's side seems to think it's weird Craig's don't get super intensely involved in it. So I think that Stan, Kyle, Kenny, and Cartman would be scrappier than the 'normal family' kids, but also be low-level seen as psychos by the other kids because of it. And like I said, even with that, I don't (necessarily) think any of the kids are GOOD at fighting.

So before I go further than that I will say that one of the problems I think with like, ACTUALLY getting into how they fight is that it's one of those things that's kind of based on what's funny. It's like how Crimson Dawn plays legit, good death metal vs how the kids' music is often cute but not actually good; them fighting is kind of just one of those 'who's good/better at it comes down to what's funnier' things. So I think there could be a case for pretty much any of the four main boys being better at it than the others.

But from my memory they all seem relatively evenly matched between the four of them; early seasons Stan and Kyle kick Cartman around a bit to bond, when Stan and Kyle fight each other there doesn't really seem to be a 'winner', when Cartman and Kyle fight I think they win/lose/draw about the same in total (Kyle pins Cartman in It's a Jersey Thing, Cartman whoops Kyle in the recent special, and even though Kyle needed help in the end of Cartoon Wars it came at the end of a lengthy back-and-forth so they seemed pretty square).

So with thinking they're about even, physically, and all technically equally as capable, I think their moralities start to become a factor. I think it is more likely that Cartman would win in a sincere fight with Kyle, I think it is most likely that Stan and Kyle would draw, Stan and Cartman is a toss-up (I think Stan because I do think he's more physically capable, but when it comes to morals Cartman would START OUT with the upper hand), and...idk with Kenny. I guess if Kenny were sincerely PISSED like, in Mysterion-saving-the-world mode I think he'd beat all of them, but I can't think of enough of his fights to weigh in too much.

My thinking comes down to this: Kyle would rather lose a fight fairly than win one unfairly. Cartman would rather win no matter what. Stan would rather win fairly but would fight unfairly if the other kid is.

I think the clearest way to see this is between Cartman and Kyle, and I'll use the 3 examples I can think of off the top of my head and hopefully kind of remember: Cartoon Wars, It's a Jersey Thing, and Return of Covid.

It's a Jersey Thing- Kyle wins, easily, without question. Why? Because he's not his typical 'Kyle' self. He's in 'Jersey mode' where he doesn't care about being fair. In fact the entire point of the episode is that 'regular' values of what's polite and decent are shirked. Cartman whines and moans to try and get sympathy because he can't win with Kyle in this mindset.

Cartoon Wars- Cartman and Kyle have a pretty tit-for-tat fight for a longass time but it does seem like Kyle is going to lose in the end without help. Why? Because Cartman keeps taking pot shots, dirty tricks, changing rules midfight. And Kyle adheres to them in order to fight 'fair'. Being a decent person, Kyle can hold out against dirty tricks but will likely lose without help.

Return of Covid- Kyle loses handily, without question. Why? Kyle was going for a regular type of a fight. Like his goal was just 'I'm pissed at Cartman and want to deck him'. Cartman tells his family to leave the room and was setting an 'I'm going to kill Kyle' plot in motion. Like I don't think Kyle would have died: I think Stan would have stepped in at some point, or arguably Cartman would have given up in the end-- the times in the show where Cartman is going to 'win' by having Kyle die, he does always step back from the edge of it. But he ABSOLUTELY went into it with a more extreme mindset than Kyle did, and with a more extreme mindset than Stan or probably any other character would have, too. He was willing to fight dirty the entire time, and the goal was Kyle's death.

I think physically Kyle could probably take Cartman. But when it comes down to the actual fights, he's more likely to lose (especially as the series progresses), because he's always going to go into it with the mindset of being as fair as possible. Cartman always takes unfair shots, like attacking Clyde when they're playing superheroes. I also think this is why Kyle and Stan are pretty square: they're physically pretty equal, and they aren't going to take pot shots against each other. I think Stan would start fighting unfairly against Cartman if Cartman did it first-- if they'd been fighting in Cartoon Wars and Cartman took a nut shot, Stan would act the same, though I don't think he'd start off with cheap shots until the other guy did.

I think a lot of the thoughts of their fighting comes down to who's literally physically superior. But I think it ACTUALLY comes down to who's willing to fight dirty which is that: Craig's gang doesn't really, they're pretty 'regular' kids. Kyle is scrappier than them but wants a clean fight. Stan (and probably Kenny) want clean fights but WILL fight dirty. Cartman's fights are always dirty. Saying one would beat the other doesn't necessarily mean one's tougher than the other.