#but how does any of that work and was it worth ozai encouraging azula's cruelty unfettered?
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justthatspiffy Ā· 5 months ago
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okay so actually upon rewatching atla for the fourth or fifth time i'm more confused than ever about zuko's mom where did she go and why
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Zutara. My otp since I first watched as a 10 year old in 2005. Hopefully you'll be kind to them šŸ˜‰ I'm convinced they'll be cannon in the live action šŸ˜…
Alright... *starts digging grave*, I think Katara and Zuko have a wonderful platonic relationship and for them to have a romantic relationship would (1) undermine Zukoā€™s redemption arc and (2) undermine the found family aspect of their friendship. I donā€™t have an issue with anyone who ships Zutara and I do not engage in shipping drama, but I think their platonic relationship is too damn important to favor a romantic relationship I don't really think has chemistry.Ā 
Personally, I have never gotten romantic vibes from them like... at all? I think the progression of their friendship was important in terms of the showā€™s themes of forgiving those who deserve it and finding support in people you least expect, but I just donā€™t get chemistry from them. Iļæ½ļæ½ļæ½ve always been a Kataang fan but how I feel about Zutara has nothing to do with that. Avatar is one of those shows where I would have been totally fine with it ending with no romantic pairings because the found family aspect of it is so much more powerful.Ā 
If anyone has spent 5 seconds on my blog, you know that Zuko is my favorite character and I think he deserves nothing but love and support after all the shit he went through. But a big aspect of why I care about him as a character is that he put the work in to make amends. He didnā€™t just show up one day sayingĀ ā€œIā€™ve seen the error of my ways, sorry for all the stuff I did, Iā€™m good nowā€ and that was that. He had to work for forgiveness and he did it because he realized the fire nation was wrong, his father was wrong, and he was wrong. His decision to switch sides had nothing to do with any connection with the gaang because he didnā€™t really know them. His decision to switch sides stemmed from 3 very important things:Ā 
(1) He felt guilty not for betraying Aang and Katara in Ba Sing Se, but Iroh. He realized his uncle was the person who had given him unconditional love while Azula and Ozaiā€™sĀ ā€œloveā€ for him was entirely dependent on his ability to provide them results. From this guilt, he was able to realize that his uncle had made the right decision in siding with the Avatar and more importantly, that Ozai was wrong and that all the abuse he endured under him was undeserved.Ā 
(2) His experiences in the Earth Kingdom as a refugee. This post explains it really well, but Zukoā€™s realization that everything heā€™s believed about the Fire Nation has been wrong is rooted in his moment of empathy with Song and her matching burn scar, his empathy with Lee who lost his brother like Zuko lost Lu Ten, his empathy with Jet who lost his way going to extremes for a cause, and, yes, his empathy with Katara whoā€™s mother was taken from her by the Fire Nation like his was. The reason he switches sides is because after all of those experiences, he can no longer be callous or unfeeling towards the Earth Kingdom like his father or sister. The people of the Earth Kingdom either empathized with him for the pain he went through and appreciated him for his desire to help the helpless (Song, Lee, Jet) or feared and hated him for being part of a country that caused their suffering (Lee, Leeā€™s mom, Jet, Katara). Throughout season 2, Zuko realized the extent of what the war meant for the other side.Ā 
(3) The realization of the extents his father would go to and the truth about Ozaiā€™s amorality. This point is kind of just the culmination of everything in the last two points, but all that set up comes to fruition when Zuko attends the war meeting where Ozai decides to use Sozinā€™s Comet to commit genocide. By this point heā€™s racked with guilt over what he did to Iroh, heā€™s empathized with people who have suffered and is coming to terms with the fact that itā€™s not only the people of the earth kingdom that have unnecessarily suffered because of Ozai, but him as well. In that meeting, he expresses adoration for the Earth Kingdom being proud and strong and Ozaiā€™s response is to burn it to the ground. Itā€™s the same treatment he gave Zuko at the Agni Kai when he stuck to his morals and refused to fight and was met with abject cruelty. At that meeting, Zuko realizes that his father is wrong and that he was always wrong. He realizes that millions of people will suffer at the hands of this man who is so incredibly wrong and lacking in empathy.Ā 
SO, keeping all that in mind. His redemption arc doesnā€™t stop when he switches sides, it keeps going as he makes individual amends with Aang, Sokka, and Katara. It keeps going as he learns from the dragons, as he chooses what he believes in over his girlfriend, as he risks his life to protect the gaang from Azula, and as he tries to help Aang, Sokka, and Katara find emotional closure in different aspects. He helps Aang overcome his fear of firebending. He helps Sokka regain his honor. And he helps Katara address her grief regarding her motherā€™s death. These four episodes are some of the best in the series because itā€™s not just Zuko working to make amends because he wants them to trust him, but itā€™s him empathizing with their trauma, their guilt, and their fear of failure because heā€™s been there.Ā 
Alright, thatā€™s a whole essay regarding why Zukoā€™s redemption arc works, now what does this have to do with Zutara? Hereā€™s the deal: if any aspect of Zukoā€™s decisions for his redemption were influenced by romantic attraction to Katara, it would undermine the meaning of his choices for him. He made the choices to be better because he empathized with a nation of people who needlessly suffered. He made the choices to be better because he learned to cut himself off from the need to please his abusive father and accept the unconditional love of his uncle. His choice to help Katara find her motherā€™s murderer stemmed from empathy and his desire to be better than the people who hurt him and hurt others. The reason Kataraā€™s resentment towards him hurt him so much was because he was trying so hard to be better than the people that were feared and hated. Katara treated him like Leeā€™s mom and Jet did when they realized he was a firebender (that being said, Katara was justified since Zukoā€™s decision to side with Azula resulted in the fall of Ba Sing Se and nearly resulted in Aangā€™s death), and he didnā€™t want to be that person. He didnā€™t want to be hated or feared anymore and he was willing to do anything to move past being viewed like that. So Kataraā€™s decision to finally forgive him? Itā€™s the point where she realizes heā€™s able to empathize with her over his motherā€™s death where her motherā€™s killer could not. She realized that he was different and had changed because he put the work in. And thatā€™s huge for his redemption, not for any kind of forming relationship because thatā€™s not the point.Ā 
Now, concerning the whole found-family aspect I love so much? Zutara as a romantic pairing would undermine the beauty of Zukoā€™s ability to find a loving, supportive group of people that he was missing his entire life. Katara does not work as a romantic partner for Zuko because she works as his replacement sister. The fact is that Zukoā€™s actual family experience was founded on fear and not love, but the idea ofĀ ā€œusefulnessā€. Zuko and Azula were only valued by Ozai so much as they were useful to him, which is why he favored (not loved) Azula, she was useful to him and Zuko wasnā€™t until heĀ ā€œslayed the Avatarā€. Iroh (and Ursa for a time) was the only person who showed him unconditional love and support, but that wasnā€™t enough to snap him out of the need to please Ozai. Zuko rooted his entire self worth in what his family thought of him and engaged in very self-destructive behavior throughout season 1 to prove himself because heĀ ā€œdidnā€™t want [his] father to think [he was] worthlessā€. Even throughout season 3, he still thinks that his uncleā€™s love for him is conditional (ā€my uncle hates me I I know itā€) until heā€™s proven otherwise because thatā€™s what heā€™s been taught. So him joining the gaang, thatā€™s the first time in his life heā€™s really met with the concept of people liking him for himself, not for his ability to be useful (his family, Jet) or because they think heā€™s someone heā€™s not (Song, Lee, Jin). Heā€™s met with friendship: people making fun of him in a playful way instead of tearing down his insecurities and vulnerabilities (ā€mind if I watch you too jerks do your jerkbending?ā€ ā€œso all we need to do is make Zuko angry, that should be easy enoughā€, ā€œlook, itā€™s baby Zuko!ā€, ā€œactually I think [the play portrayal] is pretty spot-onā€), people trying to help him fix his problems (ā€you need to go back to the original sourceā€) instead of making him feel weak for not being able to solve those problems in the first place, and showing him express appreciation and encouragement (ā€youā€™re pretty smartā€,Ā ā€œto Zuko, who knew after all the times he tried to snuff us out, today heā€™d be our heroā€,Ā ā€œIā€™m going with Zuko!ā€). And thatā€™s so. Damn. Important for his ability to heal after how he was treated for his entire life. Heā€™s introduced to the idea that people want him to be around and they want to include him in their circle for being him. Up until the finale, he doesnā€™t know if heā€™ll be able to reconcile with Iroh or if Iroh will accept his forgiveness, but these people have given him a home in their group and heā€™s not afraid or insecure around a group of people for the first time in his life.Ā 
And thatā€™s why Katara has to be the one to defeat Azula: because Azula couldnā€™t be the sister Zuko had and Katara could be. Itā€™s a tragedy that Zuko and Azula were driven apart by Ozai pitting them against each other, the corruption of firebending throughout the ages so itā€™s regarded for its power rather than its energy, and Azulaā€™s own insecurities and fears of losing power because, like Zuko once did, she only considers herself to be worth anything so long as sheā€™s better than him. The abuse he endured had an effect on her to because so long as she saw that Ozaiā€™s ā€œloveā€ for Zuko was conditional, that meant that hisĀ ā€œloveā€ for her was conditional as well (ā€you canā€™t treat me like Zuko!ā€). Zuko and Azula could never support each other and they could never trust each other in the way that Sokka and Katara could. They wouldnā€™t sacrifice anything for each other because they were conditioned to survive, to leave behind the lesser sibling in order to get ahead. But at the Agni Kai, Zuko jumps in front of the lighting for Katara because unlike Azula, she has supported him since she forgave him and is there to back him up. She thinks he can be Firelord and she thought his uncle could forgive him in a way that Azula just never could. And thatā€™s why Katara has to be the one to defeat Azula. Not because of any romantic attraction for Zuko, but because heā€™s protected Aang and Sokka and her and Toph and their little found family. Itā€™s because heā€™s one of them.Ā So in that moment where Azula is defeated, screaming and sobbing because sheā€™s lost and that means that sheā€™s the weaker sibling, sheā€™s gone and itā€™s tragic. Zuko looks upon her and he wishes it didnā€™t have to be like this, but it is and itā€™s tragic. It didnā€™t have to be how it was but it did and it was awful and Azula is left broken, hating her brother with murderous fury. But heā€™s not alone.
He has a new sister who will protect him and fight for him when heā€™s lost his own.Ā 
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(addition: I want to make it clear that this does not mean I think Azula is irredeemable. Her actions and outlook are 100% a product of Ozaiā€™s abuse, as I explained. I do not think thatā€™s sheā€™s beyond redemption, but by the finale she was still a villain and her goal was still to kill her brother so she could be Firelord. Thatā€™s not to say that she couldnā€™t have eventually healed and been able to reconcile with him, but by the final Agni Kai thatā€™s not where their relationship was. The fact that she and Zuko had a toxic relationship was not her fault, but they still had a toxic relationship built on distrust and competition where Zuko and Kataraā€™s friendship was built on support and protection. I am entirely sympathetic towards Azula, but just because she was redeemable doesnā€™t mean she was redeemed and just because there was potential for her and Zuko to eventually have a better relationship doesnā€™t mean that they did by the end of the series.)Ā 
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fakeikemen Ā· 4 years ago
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The Roku/Sozin ancestry plot twist for Zuko
Like Iā€™m sure this has been said before but the twist about Zuko being a descendant of both Roku and Sozin is actually a disservice to his character and his narrative as well? The way the narrative frames this reveal along with Iroh's dialogue, it backtracks on a lot of the story we are shown in Book 1&2 (and sometimes it even clashes with some dialogues in Book 3).
Iroh: ā€œBecause understanding the struggle between your two great-grandfathers can help you better understand the battle within yourself. Evil and good are always at war inside you, Zuko. It is your nature, your legacy. But, there is a bright side. What happened generations ago can be resolved now, by you. Because of your legacy, you alone can cleanse the sins of our family and the Fire Nation. Born in you, along with all the strife, is the power to restore balance to the world.ā€
1. This implies that there are equal amounts of good and evil in Zuko and his internal struggle is about choosing one of them.
The core qualities of Zuko as a character are empathy, compassion and kindness. A person who always gets upset when he sees or even thinks about other people in pain, a person who spoke out against powerful people to save lives that were being sacrificed needlessly, a person who shows mercy to people who donā€™t deserve it, a person who is willing to reach out a hand to save the life of the man who tried to kill him, a person who avoids fights when possible, a person who is willing to fight on behalf of a family he has known for only one night, a person who reaches out to sympathise after being yelled atā€” a person like this is definitely not struggling with equal parts of good and evil within them.
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Zuko does have two selves, but they can be categorised as pre-scar and post-scar.
His pre-scar version is the version who was unabashedly kind and compassionate, who spoke his mind without thinking of consequences. But his post-scar version was a cover up of the pre-scar version. It was a lie that Zuko lived everyday. He convinced himself that this was how he had to be; because this was what Ozai wanted him to be and that there was no other way.
And yet, when the situation is dire and he is depending on his instincts or when he is given a free choice, we see the pre-scar Zuko spring into action. Because thatā€™s who he really is. Itā€™s not a struggle between good and evil within him, it is his supressed self making an appearance when he slips up and fails to maintain his facade.
Perhaps the line that describes his internal struggle the best is this:
Zuko, imitating Iroh: Zuko, you have to look within yourself to save yourself from your other self. Only then will your true self, reveal itself.
And while this dialogue was played for laughs, it is the most accurate description of how Zuko had to reach for his suppressed self, his real self, to save himself from becoming what Ozai wanted him to be.
2. It also implies that Ozai and Ursa had equal influence on Zuko's upbringing and that he struggled to chose between what was taught to him by Ursa (good) and Ozai (evil).
The idea that Zuko has equal amounts of good and evil inside himself goes hand in hand with idea that the good and evil traits in him have been passed onto him by Ursa and Ozai's upbringings respectively which are legacies of Roku and Sozin.
I donā€™t need to look any further than ā€œZuko Aloneā€ to know that Ozai's impact on Zuko's upbringing was slim to none. The flashbacks that we see, are dominated by Ursa's presence. Ozai hardly gets any time onscreen. And when he does, he is shown as a silhouette and when he isnā€™t a silhouette, we only see him smile at Azula's display of skills and frown at Zuko's attempt.
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Ozai was Zuko's father alright, but never in the ways that mattered. We know that Ozai abused Zuko. He constantly belittled him and compared him to Azula. Partially because Zuko lacked the natural talent that Azula had and partially because he lacked the ruthlessness and cruelty that Azula displayed even at her age.
Which made Zuko copy Azula's behaviour to get his fatherā€™s acceptance. But whenever Ursa noticed this, she immediately corrected Zuko and clearly told him that it was wrong.
Ozai is never shown to tell Zuko that whatever Ursa told him was wrong. Ozai personally never taught him anything (except that one time). He appreciated Azula's behaviour and encouraged her to keep it up but he just kept on expressing his disappointment in Zuko.
Ursa: Remember this, Zuko. No matter how things may seem to change, never forget who you are.
Zuko's innate kindness and compassion were protected by Ursa in the formative years when he was at his most pliable. And this is why no matter what happens, he never loses these qualities and is able to retain his real self even after he tried hard to suppress it.
3. It diminishes the extent of psychological damage and trauma caused by the scarring incident.
The one time Ozai did take it upon himself to teach something to Zuko:
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Ozai: You will learn respect, and suffering will be your teacher.
(Notice that here too Ozai's form is silhouetted against the light behind him.)
The scar is so much more than just a scar to Zuko. It is the one lesson that Ozai taught him. The scar exists because of Zuko's innate compassion. It was put on his face in an attempt to burn out his compassion. It was put there to be a constant reminder of what would happen if he dared to do something that went against what Ozai wanted from him. The scar was Ozaiā€™s brand on his face. It took away Zuko's autonomy to make decisions for himself. It was a constant reminder that Zukoā€™s opinions didnā€™t matter.
Post-scar Zuko is Zuko's attempt at supressing his real persona to become the person Ozai wanted him to be, because he learned the hard way that he didnā€™t have the choice to be anyone else.
In fact, the first time Zuko makes a deliberate choice to go against what was expected of him, (letting Appa go) he succumbed to a fever. His emotional turmoil of coming to terms with the fact that he didnā€™t need to listen to Ozai and abide by him; a notion that he had been force feeding himself, everyday, for the last three years, manifested itself physically in the form of a fever. That was how deep the psychological damage caused by the scar was. (I hate it when people call it an angst coma.)
Saying that Zuko was struggling with equal amounts of good and evil within him, oversimplifies the complex emotional trajectory he had about coming to terms with the abuse he went through and reclaiming his autonomy and his personal opinions and beliefs, into just a choice between two aspects of his personality.
Zuko: I wanted to speak out against this horrifying plan, but I'm ashamed to say I didn't. My whole life, I struggled to gain my father's love and acceptance, but once I had it, I realized I'd lost myself getting there. I'd forgotten who I was.
4. This implies that Zuko's destiny was pre-determined.
Iroh said in the dialogue that Zuko was born with the power to restore balance in the world and that only he could do it.
Zuko, the character who has always had to struggle to gain what he wanted is suddenly told of an advantage that he had just by the virtue of birth? Kinda defeats the purpose of: "Azula was born lucky; I was lucky to be born", if you ask me.
And even more importantly, he let go of the destiny that Ozai forced on him, only to take on another predetermined destiny; a destiny that was his to fulfil by the virtue of birth, and took steps to fulfil this other destiny, instead of making a destiny of his own and paving his own path to it by making the choices that he had been denied for so long because of Ozai. Which seems weird because all the other times Iroh talks to Zuko about this topic, he always emphasises on how itā€™s Zuko's choice to make his own destiny:
Lake Laogai:
Zuko: I want my destiny.
Iroh: What that means is up to you.
Lake Laogai:
Zuko: I know my own destiny, Uncle!
Iroh: Is it your own destiny, or is it a destiny someone else has tried to force on you?
Zuko: Stop it, Uncle! I have to do this!
Iroh: I'm begging you, Prince Zuko! It's time for you to look inward and begin asking yourself the big questions. Who are you, and what do you want?
Crossroads of Destiny:
Iroh: Zuko, I am begging you. Look into your heart and see what it is that you truly want.
Western Air Temple:
Iroh: You know Prince Zuko, destiny is a funny thing. You never know how things are going to work out. But if you keep an open mind, and an open heart, I promise you will find your own destiny someday.
5. It indirectly implies that the goodā„¢ in Ursa and Zuko exists because they are a part of the Avatar's legacy.
Making Ursa a daughter of a nobleman (as intended originally)* wouldā€™ve served a much better purpose for the message that the episode was trying to get across: ā€œthe Fire Nation isnā€™t inherently evilā€.
Katara: You mean, after all Roku and Sozin went through together, even after Roku showed him mercy, Sozin betrayed him like that?
Toph: It's like these people are born bad.
Aang: Roku was just as much Fire Nation as Sozin was, right? If anything, their story proves anyone's capable of great good and great evil. Everyone, even the Fire Lord and the Fire Nation have to be treated like they're worth giving a chance.
Had Ursa not been Rokuā€™s descendant, then there would've been people other than just Roku and his descendants, who were Fire Nation and goodā„¢. (Iroh is literally the only exception.)
Moreover, Azula is just as much a part of ā€œRokuā€™s legacyā€ as Zuko is, and yet is completely overlooked when it comes to it. She isnā€™t shown to be struggling with equal amounts of good and evil. She isnā€™t gifted at birth with the capacity to bring balance back to the world. It appears as if she had inherited only ā€œSozin's legacyā€.
So, not only does this Roku/Sozin twist go against Zuko's fundamental characterisation, but it also partially deconstructs the narrative that had been carefully set up for him over the course of 2 seasons.
*(I have been looking relentlessly for the post where I saw two screen caps of the two different characterisations of Ursa: 1. Ursa as we see her in "Zuko Alone"; 2. Ursa as Roku's descendant. And I can't find it now otherwise I would've linked it.)
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