#but also this is the mcu we're talking abt where they make characters like forgive/accept their shitty parents in the name of character

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I'm not always great with words so hopefully what I'm about to say makes sense. I think that I would have enjoyed vol 3 a whole lot more if the movie had been more open and honest about what happened to Gamora and what that meant for the guardians and for both Gamora's. A lot of the plot around her feels like a lie. Gamora is dead but they keep saying she's not. Peter has a right to be grieving and devastated because how Gamora died was horrific, but the characters want him to move on under the belief she's not dead and just doesn't remember him. This feels incredibly disingenuous because not only is Gamora dead, if she wasn't dead and couldn't remember Peter that would still be something painful and not easy to get over. Then with 2014 Gamora there's no honest exploration of Thanos being the reason she's in her current position. 2014 Gamora would have met the guardians and had this whole life with them if not for Thanos and the movie doesn't allow her to explore any feelings around this until the very end when she and Peter have their last conversation. This keeps her from being able to thoroughly work through what all of this means for her life and future.

One of the reasons I have loved gotg is because it's been so sincere in it's exploration of abuse, loss and healing. During vol 2 I found the relationship between Nebula and Gamora to be one of the most compelling in the mcu because they were both allowed to be open and honest about the specific nature of their individual experiences with Thanos with neither one of them made out to be wrong or denied the ability to move forward on their own terms. It's this type of sincerity that vol 3 was missing when it came to Gamora's death and it didn't just effect her, it effects all the characters because they are a family. A family like there's kept from having anything to say about someone they loved being killed by their abuser isn't open, honest or sincere. This is not me saying vol 3 is a terrible movie or that people shouldn't enjoy it. It's me sharing that I don't think it's wrong that some people have felt disappointed, hurt or maybe a little mad about Gamora's part.

you make total sense anon! i feel all this too. i rly dislike the whole dismissal of "she isn't dead she just doesn't remember" bc this isn't like an amnesia storyline like lol like first gamora gets murdered—after trying to get peter to kill her and then trying to kill herself, no less—by thanos and then 2014!gamora's entire life gets uprooted when she's sent to the future by thanos. like i think endgame and onward were kinda missing out on clarifying how gamora even rly feels abt being brought to the future? like you're telling me she has no feelings, no opinions on that at all?? 💀💀💀

and i've made my feelings on peter and the gotg never rly acknowledging the circumstances of original gamora's death clear before, but i feel like we honestly should've heard 2014!gamora's feelings on the matter as well. like idk i just think if i heard my future self got murdered by my lifelong abuser in the name of love i'd probably have at least a hint of an opinion, a shred of emotion, to spare on the matter lol