#believed she hadn't killed. and then suddenly he has less faith in her than batman but that was bad writing. we hate u gang war and its
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While we’re on the topic of hating Tim and Jason’s relationship I must also say I cannot stand Tim and Helena’s either
i know you're sending me the ask, but i'd love to hear your opinions about it because i've never heard that before. i personally agree, but that's just me not caring for tim in general. i don't have too much against them, but i'm always open to reasons to hate lol
#i used to be annoyed by how passive tim was in his support at first. but then he picked that up in cry for blood i suppose. but only bc he#believed she hadn't killed. and then suddenly he has less faith in her than batman but that was bad writing. we hate u gang war and its#fall out. anyways. they're very lukewarm to me. helena wont push back against tim (bc she does just see him as a kid who follows batman's#directives) and tim keeps believing in her giving up what she does and fitting in with what batman wants. and it's imp to note that tim's#issue is often with batman not giving her support rather than the fact that batman demands certain concessions#so there's some stuff to work with that never gets worked with. that's a big part of why i don't care much about them together#turtle mail
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