#because of kaz's dealings with cipher but it's like. yeah dude.

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i feel like no one in mgs fandom really talks about it this way and i guess it's because kaz is a horrible person and for that matter pretty much everyone in mgs is. or at least major characters in the big boss era games are. and while i am glad as a fandom that we just accept everyone sucks and enjoys it anyway, there are nuances within horribleness, especially on the interpersonal side of things, and like big boss abused kaz lol. kaz is an abuse victim and big boss abused him. idk why this isn't talked about more because it was all kinda really terribly fucked up when you honestly think about it. and i say this as someone with bbkaz brainrot like that's flavor but holy shit, the abuse and brainwashing bb put kaz through was kind of insane. the thing about kaz is that he's not unique like at all when it comes to the people who make up the MSF and diamond dogs. he was captured by bb and beaten down until he could only say yes. and he deludes himself into thinking otherwise, he pretty much feels a need to talk about the whole thing like it was his idea. but like it wasn't, right. bb had him under threat of torture. no fucking wonder kaz feels a need to go behind his back and regain a sense of control.

and like bb beats kaz out of jealousy and possessiveness. like. that's really what's happening in the sauna scene if we're being honest. like yes it's insane but it is also. a bit sinister and frankly pretty dubious on the consent front? bb demands kaz to strip, kaz seems pretty hesitant, bb proceeds to essentially molest him while kaz asks what he's doing. AND during all his bb is interrogating him about his sexual encounters. and then beats him for it. i mean absolutely we can have a discussion about the ethics of kaz fucking a bunch of women he has power over... and being a general objectifying misogynist lmao. but is it really about that for bb? maybe somewhat. obviously not entirely. that he's doing it in large part out of possessiveness and jealousy over kaz is pretty obvious. and like i think people are inclined to justify the physical abuse because kaz can certainly hold his own against bb, and yeah in the end they laugh about it but um... that doesn't justify it lol. like if anything that kind of attitude is how a lot of people justify male on male abuse, especially in the context of queer male relationships.

and then the whole venom situation is just incredibly fucked up to be honest. aside from the fact that bb essentially ghosted kaz when their relationship was such that he deserved communication and an explanation, bb allowed kaz to be tortured for over a week. and if we assume venom and kaz's relationship was sexual at all (which i mean... probably, imo, though you could just as easily deny it i guess) that is a whooooole fucking can of consent worms.