#because junko's so fragile she'd break

[humblefryingpan]

I wish the sdr2 fans would stop trying to justify what they did. Like yeah they were brainwashed but they weren't brainwashed into specific actions, they were brainwashed to give in to despair.

Junko wanted them on the side of despair so she made them feel so distraught they gave up on living. The brainwashing would've just been making them go "I need to make people feel as bad as I do" it was never "you're going to do this and then this"

Like Mikan's obsession with Junko was an unhealthy coping mechanism that Junko did not choose. That was Mikan being attached to the first person she saw that felt as bad as she did, not Junko being super manipulative.

The video she saw was footage of the student council killing eachother, at no point did the video show Junko being like "you should fall in love with me btw". And we see how Junko narrated when she was making the rest of the class and Yukizome watch it, we can figure out roughly what she would've said.

Same with all of them, they followed her because she felt as bad as they did and took charge. I bet if one of them took the leader role before Junko could and went "we're all going to kick tables to get it out of our systems" they would've sat and kicked tables (first example I thought of idk). But Junko wanted to spread the despair so she got them to recognize her control from the start.

They saw something horrific and they were completely broken by it. If someone comforted them or helped them through it, they probably could've been okay (and Junko knew that, that's why she took Yukizome first). But they were too fragile to console eachother alone and Junko was the first person to tell them how to react.

If you see something that traumatic, you probably wouldn't know what to do. If someone told them how to move past it, I bet they could've. But the only one "helping" was saying to make other people feel bad too and they were too distraught to fight it. Their emotions were too raw and intense to think it through properly which means they were easy to use.

She probably told them to kill but the brainwashing was just making them feel despair. It was breaking their spirits so they wouldn't mind doing it all on their own, not making them do things like a puppet. This gets proven when Ryoma first sees the video. To use Mikan as an example again, she tries to SA him and when Junko sees, she's angry and stops her. And she says "what's the matter with you? Five whole minutes I was gone!" (I'm assuming it's similar in the sub) because she didn't tell her what she needed to do, she just told her to feel despair.

This is Mikan acting against what Junko wanted, you can't say Junko made her do that.

Junko barely even knew them. Like Teruteru eating his mother, do you really think she'd know he was such a momma's boy? Do you think she'd know that much about him in general? That's why her "motive video" was so generic, she didn't know them enough to break them individually and she wouldn't be able to choose tasks that suit them so specifically.

Them taking Junko's body parts was because of their despair but it wasn't because they were forced to. They embraced their sorrow so tightly it choked them but instead of pulling away they pulled it closer until it died and they started to wear it as a scarf instead.

I don't particularly like Junko but a lot of sdr2 fans are putting all of everyone's guilt onto her and that's not fair. They did the atrocities bc they chose to and ignoring that takes away part of their characters. You can't just "they didn't mean it!!" out of every argument because they absolutely did.

Ppl are acting like she picked out every single action instead of recognizing that she just recorded murder and went "life sucks, here's proof, you should do crime so everyone agrees"