#anyway enough of me writing a goddamn thesis in the tags

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Totally understand if you're not up for it and fully recognize the ronald mcdonald dom/sub anon vibes which is an AMAZING post btw but like...now i'm curious, what the hell did Lord of the Flies anon DO that got him blocked for the discourse? like...i just can't wrap my head around high school lit being...uh...that inflammatory i guess?

Okay so, I'll start by saying I've had a new anon from apparently the same anon saying they are NOT the person I blocked, just a rando making the same points, but I'll answer your question anyway just to set out why this person in particular got blocked, out of the several thousand who reblogged/commented on that very successful addition to the LoTF post I made.

First off, I added the 'real life Lord of the Flies' story because I thought it was a good story. I had read about it only a couple days beforehand in Humankind and, after reading out the entire chapter to my parents who weren't very interested, I was excited that there was not only a post where it would be relevant to post, but that I wouldn't be hijacking it, as it was already rejecting the widespread interpretation taught in many schools, that humanity is inherently savage.

When making the addition, I a) did not think it would get more than a couple reblogs, because the post was already at 50k notes and I figured anyone that might be interested would already have seen it, and b) I did not know the very specific context that prompted William Golding to write the book; all I knew was that he had been a teacher at a public school (basically, the poshest schools in the country - think Eton, Harrow, very 'old money' places that pump out Conservative politicians by the bucket-load 🤢) who hated his job and the boys he taught (which, valid), and new information I'd been given in Humankind - that Golding had said to his wife one day, "Wouldn't it be a good idea to write a story about some boys on an island, showing how they would really behave?" - which had no mention of The Coral Island by R. M. Ballantyne, which I have since learned was the text that Golding loathed enough to write an entire novel in refutation of - and included what I considered a very telling letter from Golding to his publisher, in which Golding wrote of his belief that 'even if we start with a clean slate, our nature compels us to make a muck of it.' Another Golding quote that I believe portrays his belief in humanity's 'innate savagery' is that "man produces evil as a bee produces honey."

Obviously, the author of a book putting forward the case for humanity's inherent goodness was going to oppose Golding's hypothesis; Bregman not only noted Golding's literary accomplishments and beliefs, but his personal life.

When I began delving into the author's life, I learned what an unhappy individual he'd been. An alcoholic. Prone to depression. A man who, as a teacher, once divided his pupils into gangs and encouraged them to attack each other. "I have always understood the Nazis," Golding confessed, "because I am of that sort by nature." (Humankind by Rutger Bregman, p. 24-25)

I have bolded the part about him as a teacher, because it is incredibly relevant to the original post that I commented on, which begins with a comic of a teacher locking her class in to see them 'recreate' Lord of the Flies, something which the follow up comments before mine staunchly reject as both misunderstanding the point of the book, and the fact that it took the kids in Lord of the Flies a significant amount of time without adult supervision to go 'savage'. This misreading of the text is widespread enough that when Golding won the Nobel Prize for Lord of the Flies, the Swedish Nobel committee wrote that his book 'illuminate[s] the human condition in the world of today'. Whether or not they misread it is beyond my expertise - they do at least mention the factors of the outside world neglected by many when analysing the book, but still seem to believe it says something about human nature as a whole rather than just, to quote thedarkbutbeige 'British kids being rat bastards' - but Golding quite happily took his Nobel prize on this basis. Which, in fairness, I would too. It's a fucking Nobel prize.

It was with this knowledge, and this knowledge alone, that I stated in my now very, very widely read comment that Golding 'wrote the book to be a dick', in response to the tags of the person I reblogged from. As I said, I now know that Golding did not write the book (solely) because he hated the kids he taught, but as a response to The Coral Island and the general idea that clearly the British were inherently civilsed, whilst the people they colonised and enslaved were inherently savage. So. That's the background.

The anon - or rather, the person I thought was anon - was the sole exception out of dozens of replies, who instead of telling me about The Coral Island politely decided it was time to go ALL CAPS and regurgitate points already made by thespaceshipoftheseus, and implied that the only reason that the real life Tongan castaways didn't go all Lord of the Flies was because they weren't British. Not because they weren't surrounded by violence like the boys in Lord of the Flies, or there wasn't a World War ongoing, or that they weren't the upper, upper, upper crust of a class-obsessed society like Britain - but because they weren't British. A complete inversion of the concept that Golding was trying to get across - now, instead of all of humanity being equally prone to savagery in the right conditions, it was solely nationality that determined it. As in, the British were inherently savage, but nobody else was.

I, trying for humour, made the terrible mistake of replying to them.

I won't lie, I was absolutely blown away that this was real life. What I think they were trying to do was be that Cool Tumblr Person who, after somebody's been shitty on a post, goes to their blog and sees something Damning in their about/description. In an ideal world, I imagine I'd have gone nuts or done something Unforgiveable. In what I can only call the rant that followed, they stated several times that I needed to go back to high school to get some 'proper literary analysis' skills and that the story of the Tongan castaways was completely unrelated to the point at hand which. I mean, I disagree, considering that I made the addition, but I couldn't get my head around how commenting on a post that was already rejecting the thesis that the 'point' of Lord of the Flies was that humanity was inherently savage and was, in fact, about how kids - British or otherwise - learn how to function from the adults around them, and that traumatised, terrified children aren't going to create a mini-Utopia, and put forward a real life example of how without the key additions of an ongoing world war, a colonial Empire and the subsequent mindset of thinking you are 'inherently civilised' and therefore can't do anything wrong, actually, people just want to take care of each other.

A friend has since asked me why I even have 'england' in my description. To be honest, it's a timezone thing - I talk to a lot of people online who don't share my timezone, and it generally makes me feel like if I don't reply immediately because it's 3am, they have the tools to see that I'm not in their timezone and not just ignoring them. I did consider changing it to 'british' or 'uk' after it was... 'used against me', I guess, simply because I didn't want to deal with it, but you know what. No. Not gonna do that. I am from England, and I have never hid that fact. I have a tag called 'uk politics', during Eurovision I refer to the UK's act as 'us' (even if I really, really don't want to. Because James Newman slaughtered that song and it was downright embarrassing), I regularly post stuff in my personal tag about where I live (and mostly complain about this piece of shit government). If people really think my nationality makes every point I make null and void, then they don't have to follow me or interact with my posts; tumblr is big, and I am one medium-small blog very easily passed over.

I did reply to them, trying to explain the above, but their next response really just doubled down. Because I used the word British instead of English - foolishly because the posts above mine focused on Britishness, and also because although Golding was English and taught English kids, the pro-Imperialism author of The Coral Island, R. M. Bannatyne was actually Scottish so, ding ding ding, falls into the 'British' category - they then decided that I was somehow trying to pretend I wasn't English and made all the same points, before ending with this doozy:

At this point, I knew there was nothing to be gained from replying, because if we're whipping out conditions like they're pokemon cards then there's no actual conversation anymore, and I'm not going to start mudslinging like an identity politician. They made up their mind, and I figured there could be no harm in letting them think that they 'won' by blocking them instead of replying.

Until the ask. INNATE ENGLISH SAVAGERY did, I'll admit, make me think it was them, back again. I even thought up a really good response approximately 12 hours after I replied, I was that sure. Until the second message came in, and said they were just someone who came from the post and made the same point by chance. So the saga draws to a close... for now.

It may have been them, it may not have been - the anon feature makes it impossible to be sure, but as the second message I got said, we're in a heatwave. It's too hot to argue. And I've just written a goddamn essay about a book I dislike anyway.

My pasty English ass is going to go melt. If there's Disk Horse, do not tell me. I am Done™

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FAQ

Q: What’s this? A: Stuff about vampires. Mostly informal summaries/analyses of vampire classics, but I may write about modern vampire media occasionally. Idk.

Q: WHY is this? A: a) I have to Write A Thing about Varney the Vampire for university, and if I have to read that monstrosity, I might as well have fun doing it. b) I’m a nerd who likes ranting about their favorite topics. c) I’m writing a thing (a book thing; in addition to the university thing) about vampires, I do the research anyway, I might as well drag you all down with me. d) getting to cite my own blog in internet arguments about sparkly vampires.

Q: Who are you, anyway? A: Name’s Guardy - or it might as well be at this point. I have a just-as-rambly main blog over at @guardevoir. I study English and German at university, and a pretty big part of that happens to be literature. 

Q: I’m lost! A: Same! ... oh, you mean on this blog? Well, fret not, [ here ] is a tag list and [ here ] is a list of links should my navigation not work on mobile.

Q: What’s that font? A: If it’s weird enough for you to comment on, that means my OpenDyslexic integration worked, hooray. It’s a text-heavy blog and reading on screens is a right pain in the ass, so I thought it might be a good idea. If enough people complain, readability-wise, I’ll go back to Verdana. (Also, I think it’s a nice font.)

Q: There’s some sort of accessibility issue with your blog theme! A: Oh no D: I try to keep my theme as accessible as possible, but sometimes problems slip through the cracks, either because I didn’t think of an issue, or because I fucked up my coding again. The Effector theme I’m running is pretty heavily modified, and I’m very much NOT a coder. I learned some basics once upon a time, but nothing relating to anything like this. So, if my blog theme is uncomfortable to navigate/read and/or doesn’t work on certain browsers or devices, please tell me!

Q: ... Wait. Internet arguments about sparkly vampires? A: “Arguments” probably wasn’t the right choice of words. Polite discussions, really. Anyway, I’m very much in favor of sparkly vampires, for a number of reasons (among them the fact that the oldest vampire literature I know of, Goethe’s Bride of Corinth, was literally about a hot vampire chick and some random dude having sex, because Goethe Fucking Ruled) - it’s just badly written sparkly vampires I have problems with. (Did you know NONE of the classical literary vampires was harmed by sunlight, by the way?)

Q: Can we suggest vampire literature for you to read? A: Sure, as long as it’s available in English or German. You can also suggest other vampire media, but I’m probably not going to do comic books (too expensive) and may not be able to do video games for monetary and technical reasons. If in doubt, suggest ‘em anyway.

Q: Anything you won’t talk about on here? A: All books (and the movie) by Anne Rice are off-limits, because I disagree with her stance on transformative works and a lot of other things she’s said and done and I’m not gonna give her attention or waste my time on her books. I’d also like to avoid Twilight if possible, purely because I think it’s boring, but Twilight I’d still do if enough of you bug me about it. 

Q: Ooooo can I use this for essays and papers ‘n shit? A: If your educational institution has no goddamned standards and allows you to cite random-ass blog posts, sure. I put this together because I had to read Varney and Dracula anyway for my BA thesis, so this does have some sort of academic background, but I’m also a random-ass undergrad student and my opinions on Varney are mine alone and 100% not peer-reviewed. You can definitely use it as a reference to figure out which goddamned chapter of Varney you need to look at, though - hence the list of appearing characters and stuff.