#anyway I'm feral over lirin and kaladin's relationship is it showing

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@windrunnered you underestimate the amount that I also talk about Kaladin

I still don't understand how so many people can hate Lirin and love Kaladin when they are so very alike, more than either of them realize. Kaladin goes into WoR thinking he could've killed Roshone on the operating table and comes out of it knowing he won't willfully harm anyone entrusted to his care no matter how much he hates him

It's canon that what constitutes breaking an oath is based on each Radiant's (and to some extent their spren's) internal moral code. Maybe another windrunner could've been involved in the assassination and kept their oaths intact. But Kaladin internalized his understanding of the 3rd ideal when he saw Lirin save Roshone's life. He thought he would've done differently but he came out of it believing it was more honorable to save his worst enemy's life

The root of their conflict in RoW is that Lirin believes he trained his son too well. They both blame themselves for Tien's death, but Lirin also blames himself for Kaladin’s mental trauma. He believes that because he modeled for Kaladin how to stand up to people in power, he emboldened his son to constantly put himself in dangerous situations and Lirin sees how badly it's broken his son. He raised a son who received a shash brand leading slave revolts but he really wanted his son to come home healthy and alive. Hesina knew Lirin needed to understand the power and necessity of the shash mark and he listened to her like the good husband he is. It was the first step Lirin needed to take on the road to forgiveness and healing

Kaladin and Lirin are going to eventually come out of this with the strongest father/son relationship ever and everyone else better be taking notes

If you give lirin shit for staying in hearthstone you're wrong. It is made VERY clear in the text that while his family was under financial strain under Roshone, they were NOT starving. They weren't eating GREAT food but they were eating. They didn't go without any major necessities. And they could afford medical supplies on top of it. Also it's wild that people assume they could afford to move if they couldn't afford to eat. And Lirin says they could afford to move

Not going to downplay that financial stress is bad for a kid's home life but at the same time, you can tell that Lirin and Hesina were shielding Kaladin and Tien from most of it, which is what good parents do when they've fallen on hard times

And yeah, it would be a dick move to deprive an entire town of their ONLY medical professionals just because of a grudge. Do the lirin haters know what community building is and that you're not going to always get along with the people you're in community with. At the end of the day they were practicing mutual aid and I hope the lirin haters remember that the next time they call him a liberal centrist or whatever