#any further discourse messages get the hand in unloveable hand pic

[cowboy-garfield]

Goku has never kissed Chi chi and that IS CANON. Maybe you should read and watch the Canon. Goku isn't best dad or husband, but he ain't the worst either. He is below average.

"maybe you should watch canon"

PLEASE talk to someone who's friends with me hdkdj

After 12 years I see the DBZ family discourse fairy has finally come to my inbox. Tbh I rly am not feeling up to defending an opinion rn but seeing as this is like a rite of passage in this fandom, I'll speedrun it.

I don't really disagree. He's a flawed character; they all are. That's why they're interesting, especially when they're without malicious intent and if someone tried to tell me GOKU has malicious intent towards his own family I'd laugh them out of their clown shoes.

There's a difference between malice and selfishness, and while he makes a lot of mistakes, you can't deny he loves his family. There's a bunch of evidence scattered around I'm not going to go hunt down atm, but they are there, and they're canon. And I'm literally rewatching the show as we speak, so I'm not pulling that out of my ass.

I think at this point arguing over how "good" a parent/partner DBZ characters are is asinine; "good" is relative and not some static state of being, and the series is so self-contradictory and sprawling and messy that Toriyama himself said not to take it too seriously.

When it comes down to it, the focal point of DBZ will always be the action, not the domesticity though I wish we got more of that than we do 😔 Goku is the main brawler in this show about brawling. It's gonna cause some falling-short in other aspects of his character

And no, this is not me saying "oh don't be critical of media don't enjoy media at a deeper level than it was written as." This is just me saying that Maybe, just Maybe it's not worth dropping into people's askboxes unprompted to argue about whether the betittied monkey alien man is valid or nah based on the standards of real life relationships

Anyway Goku is a stupid himbo and I love him superficially and that's a-ok

Also don't they kiss in the cell saga? Their faces were out of frame but I could have sworn they did. Anyway even if not my thoughts are unchanged