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[queenoma]

So not only was the IDEA of the Winchesters HERS [Elta] per Jensen’s mouth but she thinks out of delusion she could have been Janis Joplin when she can NOT sing IF you’ve been unfortunate enough to have heard her like the time on a guitar crooning to Jensen while he was away at a con

[jarpadswalker]

Recent con has made it clear as to why Jared would get depressed time and time again when he was doing SPN? And why is he in a far better mood when he was with Walker?

Imagine getting slighted and dissed at an event that was started because of you. You are looked down upon by colleagues whom you helped and advice to be part of this circuit. They don't even care for you and make fun of your expense, and you don't have any choice but to endure. Becoz lashing or saying anything will only hurt your image and will make you look like an asshole.

If this isn't enough, the same behavior is carried on to your work. People have realised that you won't do much about it, so the ill treatment continues at work. What makes it worse is that you have to not only act brotherly towards the guy who was the reason behind the ill-treament to maintain the facade but also stroke his ego and praise him for everything.

You will let it go at first, and you might take in a stride, but as it continues, it starts gnawing at you. Slowly, it starts chipping at you, making you sad and slowly you become disinterested in the work you used to like the most.

You could see this happening with Jared. There was a huge difference between Jared that was in the earlier panels vs. Jared that was in the panel towards the end of SPN. You could see how Jensen and fans' constant dissing and ridiculing made Jared vary. What made me angry was how Jensen and Co was trying to ridicule Jared about dad jokes simply because those are the ones that connect him the most with the audience. The entire drum roll beat is the most ridiculous thing of cons.

It is totally understandable why Jared said that Walker reignited his love for acting. Imagine how ugly it must have been for Jared that he stop loving the craft he once loved the most

[laf-outloud]

This show never should have been made.

[kvitka97]

So, so many people need to read this. Very true.

[supernaturalconvert]

I don't want to nick pick at everything but it has sort of become impossible to even read anything Jensen says as just a joke after everything that's happened both around the prequel trying to side step Sam out of SPN & bringing in his own family on SPN every chance he got.

He says here supposedly as a joke that he keeps telling Eric to replace Jared apparently he isn't working out....I don't know dude how did Jared put up with this sort of passive aggressive shit right from S3. He puts someone down plays it as a joke and then tries to smooth it with a compliment. Why say such a thing in the first place? Loser is the only term that comes to mind for him.

[trials-era-sam]

you’re laughing. jensen ackles’ only coping mechanism has been canceled and you’re laughing

[fandom-hoarder]

Anybody who thinks that abomination of a TWin finale was BETTER than the spn finale or FIXED anything about it can fuck right off, tbh. Bad vibes, dnw.

Like the biggest thing about TWin is it's INSULTING.

It's insulting that it's called "the winchesters", when The Winchesters are Sam and Dean. It's insulting that those involved kept telling people to trust them and "canon we got you" and stringing people along a whole fucking pointless season. It's insulting that they claimed they were so passionate about it when it's... Like This. When clearly no one could bother to even consult the canon, or hire actors who would be faithful to the OG representations. When it feels like a really cheap cash grab, when the interviews with Robbie and Jensen tell a story of people who knew they HAD to make this work, but didn't actually have a vision or focus for it. When Danneel appears to have been given way too much creative control despite not actually watching most of spn. When her passion for the project appeared to be the clothes she and Jensen could be photographed in -- this isn't wife hate, this is sincere criticism of someone who had creative control in a project they didn't even know the canon for.

It's insulting they spent the money for good music and played actual Led Zeppelin in THIS STUPID FINALE.

I know the last seasons of spn got pretty out there, got pretty stupid and lackluster (ghosts redux but daytime? Ehh), but at least in s15 they were running through "greatest callbacks" territory. TWin was not only worse quality, it had no fucking purpose. They didn't have a STORY TO TELL at all. You think THIS was where they were originally heading with that "Dean" voiceover from the pilot, talking about the true story of his parents?

THOSE WEREN'T EVEN HIS PARENTS. THAT WASN'T EVEN THEIR STORY. AND WHY WOULD JACK RECREATE THE MULTIVERSES AND INCLUDE CHUCK'S AKRIDA FAILSAFE? WHY WOULD *DEAN* HAVE TO FIX IT IN THE FIRST PLACE? *HOW* CAN HE GIVE THEM THE COLT AND "HIS JOURNAL"🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 -- AND, WHAT, JUST LET THE COLT DISAPPEAR FROM PRIME UNIVERSE?

AND THESE PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE SAME BEGINNING AS DEAN'S PARENTS; WHY WOULD GIVING THEM A JOURNAL EVEN HELP?

(None of these questions are important enough for an s2, mind you; this show gets the atla live action treatment--never happened, doesn't count)

THE WHOLE FUCKING REASONING IS JUST POINTLESS AND STUPID. AND THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO EVER BE ANY REAL STAKES FOR THIS SCOOBY GANG ALL SEASON. It was The Magic Tree House, with all the answers handed to them. (Not to mention the pretty bad acting I witnessed from Meg -- a too-short-to-be-Mary-when-Drake-is-that-tall Claire lookalike I'm supposed to believe as Mary🙄 --and the total lack of JohnMary chemistry, and the weird af lore breaking holywater!hair vamp splash that started as a joke and shouldn't have even made it onto the page🤦‍♀️-- if you wanted to be that kind of camp you should've just done a straightup AU spinoff, and not tried to tie this in to the OG while LYING about "canon we got you" and getting your tone all the fuck wrong)

This doesn't fix anything from spn finale--NOTHING NEEDED FIXED. Whatever gripes there may be about aspects of the spn finale, essentially it was PERFECT. THIS bullshit takes a Dean who had finally come to terms with the life they'd lived, who had his actual loved ones largely available in heaven (and Sam on earth, but knowing he'd meet Dean up there, and time is different in Heaven), and takes away any character growth the spn finale suggested-- because he's ALREADY LEARNED THIS LESSON ABOUT TRYING TO CHANGE THE PAST WTF.

Also, that was not Dean. I get that Jensen probably couldn't cut his hair or whatever, but that turtleneck sweater was not an outfit OG Dean would wear, AND Jensen seems to have forgotten how to do the Dean voice/accent. They should've said it was huntercorp!Dean or something, cuz that was not the Dean that died in 15.20 and went to Heaven and took a drive to wait for Sam.

The only correct thing in TWin finale is that Sam was still Dean's #1, and all the SamDean parallels to JohnMary throughout the show get rights for preserving that. But the JohnMary was so dull.

This ridiculous show is NOT CANON, and I hope whatever future endeavors come out of spnverse has greater respect for the OG and its fandom, and better writing and casting. (I would prefer for it to die than become another abomination.)

I'm sorry for Drake's decent acting that this was the story he got, since he seemed to actually be a fan of the og -- even though some of his comments lost him some points with me. Sorry for some of the other wannabe scooby gang actors, who should've just gotten their own spoofy spinoff. I would be happy to not see Meg in anything ever again -- not that I wish for an end to her career, just that *I* won't have to see her face act. I would also be ecstatic for the Ackles' friends to not be cast in roles they're unsuited for just so they can all work together 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 how the fuck was that supposed to be Samuel?

You make a variety show for this shit, not a fucking prequel-that's-not-a-prequel. Good grief. Get you some good people that will tell you no. Maybe talk to Jared about it, jfc. He actually gets thoughtful about his headcanons.

[mpregspn]

https://twitter.com/meanbean74/status/1633297288226324482?t=Jny3ACDiukCJpTauPYO6pA&s=19 literally 0 braincells

this is so embarrassing. i would be embarrassed for them but it's what they deserve

[jarpadswalker]

Part II

I am back to answer the rest of the two questions related to Jensen and the prequel gate...

About my views on Jensen... Early on, especially when I started following con panels and attended two myself. I became Jared girl, Jensen, for me, was an accessory. He was just like any actor, nothing special. When I met him, I knew instantly that though it is an informal event, it is all business for him. Now, it wouldn't have meant much because I am used to actors' behavior, but for me, the behavior stood out coz I had just met Jared, who was the big ball of energy. So meeting Jensen immediately after Jared was like someone sucked the energy out. This is exactly why, for the next day, I kept Jared at the last because I wanted to end my day with the positivity.

So I didn't mind Jensen as he didn't come across as rude or insulting like Misha, nor was he amiable like Jared. He was just like any actor.

For me, the first red flag came during AKF and YANA debacle, which is when I realised that Jensen is not how he appears to be. He is very calculative and shrewd. He supported YANA despite knowing it was a blatant copy for AKF. Still, I said fine you launch YANA. There is no copyright on supporting MH more the support better it is. BUt, Misha and Jensen were totally insincere with the campaign. They didn't take efforts to understand the gravity of the situation nor gave any thoughts on how the campaign was being presented. It was clear that YANA was nothing but a money minting project for M, Jensen, and CW. The worst was when the campaign failed, Jensen bailed, leaving Misha alone to take the fall. He didn't have balls to stand up for the project that was supposedly important to him. The moment it failed, he went. Nope, I wasn't interested in it, I just did it to help M. Everything was M's idea.

Since then, I started doubting Jensen intentions and didn't believe a word he said. I realise that he is opportunist. The moment he sees profit into something, he latches to it. Not only that, but even in terms of putting effort, he does the bare minimum, but when it comes to appreciation, he is first to take credit.

My doubts were confirmed with Prequelgate. At first, the sheer unprofessionalism was appalling, but I thought there might be some miscalculation. He won't stan Jared immediately after the end of the show. But that illusion broke when Kripke tweeted, apologizing Jared and stating that he assumed Jensen must have informed Jared. It proved that whatever Jensen did was intentional. He always wanted to own the SPN brand. I think somewhere it always hurt Jensen that despite being senior in the craft, it was Jared, a conparatively young actor who got the lead. Jared was always in the forefront when it came to media attention. If you have time, then just compare the kind of media that gave coverage to Jared and Jensen and the amount of time they do it, at least during SPN. Jared, with his extrovert attitude, is mainstream media fave. So I feel it was deliberate. He was to slyly make the brand for himself, and he knew he would lose Jared's fan if he told the truth. So he lied about Jared. When he was called out, like a coward, he once again ran and hid.

What is the worst was the MR podcast that showed the world hus true face. Instead of apologizing, he tried to shift the blame on Jared. Which was the dick move and then his constant lying and changing the reason as to why he didn't inform Jared. It was when I lost all the respect for him. In fact, according to me, at that point, he seemed worse than Musha. With Misha, we knew what to expect, but Jensen pretended to be a friend/brother and then backstabbed the said brother. Such people are the worst.

Post prequelgate, Jensen behavior came to light. Things that were ignored becoz his association with Jared came to like. It became quiet telling how Jensen never supported Jared. How he never asked his fans not to hate on Jared PS, immediately after prequelgat Jared actually asked fans not to hate Jensen. Jensen never extended the same courtesy. In fact, he piled on to the hate by making sparky comments. He would always diss Jared. How he never took ant effort to make Jared feel special, not even during his birthday. How he always used Jared and then dissed him from everything . How he would steal Jared's jokes and ideas and pass it as his own.

Infact, now when I look back I feel Jensen always tried to one up Jared. See, everything that he has done it is immediately after Jared. Jared shifted to Austin and bought a house with open field and stuff, Jensen immediately shifted to Austin and bought the house at the lake front. Jared entered pub business with San Jac salon and curated an alcohol with Stephen, Jensen started FBBC. PS: Jensen had zero idea about beer , nor did he bother to learn about it. Unlike Jared, who studied the entire market. Gen started her influencer journey, Dannel tried to copy it and, when she failed, resorted to dissing Gen like a child. Jared and Gen got into production, and so did Jensen and D. He has always copied Jared. Even now, Jensen is trying to copy Jared's long hair look. Over the year, he has seen how Jared long hair look has been appreciated, so he is now trying to copy it. He couldn't do it earlier because producers and directors didn't allow him to. Now we know why they did, Jensen looks like cheap motel pimp.

[laf-outloud]

https://tvline.com/news/supernatural-spinoff-update-1235168819/

Cracking up that every comment that mentions TW gets soo downvoted lmao. Even a lot of the ones saying they want more spn have more downvotes. But the ones asking for more TW are just majority 👎

Not just The Winchesters, comments wanting Wayward Sisters are also being downvoted! Then, there's these wise commenters:

LOL!

[supernaturalconvert]

Jensen Ackles's Dean's check list

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This is why Jensen's scenes in Regarding Dean don't work coz he is trying too hard to show emotion. The mirror scene is especially just terrible. He really was very bad in the later seasons working off of a "DEAN" checklist in his mind. These scenes just never hit the emotional crescendo that S2 scenes hit coz at this point he was just pandering to the supposed fan girls without bringing in any authentic emotion.

Don't get me started on the single eye tear....no one cries like that real life. It's so fake.

That's the reason why he completely forgot even how to play Dean in the prequel.

[trials-era-sam]

I would like to apologize about all of the shit I have previously said about the prequel. It is NOT as bad as I had been led to believe.

IT’S SO MUCH WORSE HOLY SHIT IT MANAGED TO DIG A 6-FT HOLE BELOW THE NONEXISTENT EXPECTATIONS I HAD

[fandom-hoarder]

How self-aware do we think he'd be?🤔

[mpregspn]

it's not really a prequel then is it. if it's in another universe and alternative universe mary and john are not sam and dean's parents. it's a spin-off

[jarpadswalker]

I doubt you're ok with anyone who's criticizing Jared or saying anything against him. How is it different from being AA?

I know you'll say "They don't criticize Jared's it's just hate", but what would be an example of someone criticising Jared and not being a hater? I never saw you being ok with ANY criticism he gets. AAs are the same - they see every criticism as hate.

No, there is a huge difference between criticism and hate... When someone calls Jared, an average actor or a B-List actor, I am okay with that criticism. When he is criticise for some of his acting choices Jared stans are okay with that...We don't bombard critics ask box with questioning their loyalty...We don't go and blame the person for not being a fan just coz he/she dared to dislike Jared's acting.

It is not Same with AA, the moment someone criticise Jensen acting you will have AAs crowding your ask box trying to change your opinion and if that doesn't happens they will question your loyalty and at the end call you a hater.

For Jared stans what constitutes hate is when AAs tried to vote down Walker without even watching it. You watch Walker and hate it, it is okay. That is your choice, but you don't watch the show yet, You criticise and try to influence others to not watch it. Try to fudge its rating just cause you are jealous that Jared got a show while your fave didnt. That is hate. And what worst is AAs werent even hiding their malicious act they were legit commenting that they didn't watch the show or trailer but they are sure its bad and so they are rating it 1star.How do you know it is bad when you didnt watched a single thing.

Jensen backstabbed Jared and acted like complete ass during TW, but Jared stans didn't down vote the show without watching it.Those who criticised were the ones who watched or at least tried to watch that mess. Most Importantly none of the Jared stanever said - if you are true Jared stan then you won't watch the show.

As far as hate is concerned, then there is no comparison between AAs and Jared stan. Most Jared don't care what Jensen does until some anon like yourself post an ask, highlighting his statement of whatever he is doing. None of the Jared stans are interested in keeping a tab on magazines he is interviewed or the organisation he is associated with. Most importantly, none of the Jared stans approach any company or organization associated with Jensen and tell them that he is awful and they should break their association. Even after Jensen acting as ass none of Jared stan had ever asked him to die or wished ill on his family or business. We didn't cheer when we learned about his near death experience with a plane. Again, most importantly, even when Jared stan criticise Jensen, they never tag Jensen.

The same can't be said for AAs. AAs and their extension Hellers have tagged Jared in the post where they wished him death. There are posts where idiots like AA have wished Ode to chole to death. There are post by AAs and hellers where they approached companies associated with Jared on social media and told them how they shouldn't work with Jared. They approached Out YouTh like dumb idiots and asked them to return the donation from Padaleckis. knowingly spreading misinformation about Jared is like a rite of passage to become an AA.

So you see, Anon Jared stan and AAs aren't the same. AAs don't criticise they hate. One thing that AAs know the best is to play victim whenever they are called out.

[laf-outloud]

I'm realizing now how much pressure Jared had on spn and it really pisses me off that it seems he had more of it than he needed to. I now see Jensen didn't really pull his weight in a lot of areas. This led to a lot of his problems and now Jared is the one that was seen as having mental health problems while Jensen got to look like the more stable worker but I think Jensen just didn't do much. That's not really fair to Jared and I'm not suggesting that's the reason for some of his issues but you know that likely fed into it. Plus Jensen got to be more of a darling in execs minds because he always made Jared be the bad guy when HE was the one with the problem.

Jensen did say he'd let Jared take the brunt of the issues to the higher-ups because he was first on the call sheet. Of course, that kind of responsibility can help build character, and while it might have weighed on Jared and wasn't necessarily healthy for him, it did provide some impetus to create a much better working environment on Walker. And we can see with TW that Jensen's tendency to skate by, it didn't do him any favors when it came time for him to produce a show. So, while I feel for Jared's experience on SPN, I appreciate the life lessons he took from it.