#animation is an issue for them. There's some glitches. Look at how Leon is walking at the end or when Claire is walking down the steps LOL

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Yeah, trust, I've done rants about how Jill has been mishandled (really how they waste potential with all of the characters), and how even with this film, they BARELY touch on what she's been through, which has always been a problem I've had with them since RE5.

I have also talked at length about Jill's dynamic with Chris in this film, and the consistency in how their bond has been portrayed over the years (not even just in the films and games). I definitely would say their chemistry was perfectly intact. Dialog, just like the plot, pacing, etc., is full of issues. The production team and Capcom think they hit it out of the park, and it's impressive cause they had all these characters in here. LOL! Trust, when surveys come out, I'm not begging for remakes and stuff, I'll telling them how they are WASTING characters, and how much potential RE STILL has. They HAVE made SOME attempts to improve, but they still drop the ball in various ways.

About Jill's appearance, simply put, they foolishly thought people wouldn't recognize Jill if she didn't look more like her most recent appearance. Capcom wanted the character designer to try and hide her wrinkles, but he made sure she showed signs of aging (SHE DOES still age). The outfit isn't the same as RE3make, but just too similar aesthetically, and as I've said in another post, it didn't even make sense for her to be wearing that on that first mission they showed her in. Why is CHRIS in full gear, while she's legit in more casual attire? It doesn't make any sense, and it's LAZY AF! Chris changes outfits, but Jill's wearing the same outfit she had on the night before? Chris likely only had the uniform because it was ported from Vendetta anyway, and they were also just too lazy/cheap to give Jill another look for her opening scene, as they wanted her to be immediately recognizable (so they said).

That said, even RE3make tried to implement PTSD from the mansion incident, but most of any meaningful stuff was mostly left in files, in her apartment. Her apartment tells a visual story (both in the awake and dream states), yet if you don't read/examine everything, you don't really get the full picture of what's going on with her, aside from the nightmare of turning into a zombie happening every day, and she's clearly had a rough time as her apartment isn't tidy, she had moving boxes etc., all over. They give more stuff to other characters, but also took away key moments that provided character insight/growth that the original had. We end up with a more streamlined narrative that honestly felt thin in comparison. Same with RE2R (which doesn't even have a coherent Leon/Claire side of the narrative due to the lack of a proper B scenario)

You mentioned it bothers you that Jill didn't seem to know Chris was missing, but like I was saying though, that's just an assumption. It's not a fact. Chris going missing never came up, even in this film, but there's also NOTHING there to suggest Jill didn't know about it. Likewise with Claire. Claire is referenced in RE6, because they had no choice tbh, but also (I believe) because Claire was easier to come up with things, because she doesn't have baggage like Jill does. Even THEN Claire was NOT said to be involved in looking for Chris. That's something I feel many don't seem to get. Like, we probably ALL, would like if they would consider more things ahead of time, and leave wider amounts of info here and there that keep us more informed on what is going on in the personal lives of these characters, when they aren't in the story, and elaborate on significant relationships, etc., but sadly RE doesn't function this way. We're lucky enough when characters are even acknowledged.

Bringing up Jill in RE6, would've led to more questions/requests, and focus that would've had nothing to do with the main narrative playing out, yet like I was saying before, given how badly they handled the story there, it may have been for the best. I'd rather someone DECIDE to focus on Jill, and put some real thought and consideration into the direction of her character, rather than a casual mention that might cause us having more questions, or potential retcons, since they have a bad history with handling things properly. I felt like they purposefully didn't reference her once, because they KNEW she had ALOT of baggage, and didn't want to establish anything too specific, that could inhibit someone who might choose to make a story around her whereabouts, and also SADLY, her age being an issue (more of a cultural thing honestly). Jill was desired to be in a film since Damnation (as have been others), but certain people didn't allow it (yet one person kept pushing Leon into ALL of them). Even with the film, the writer said he had to consult with Capcom about what Jill would be up to. Even Jill NOW having slowed aging mandated, was still aged.

She has flaws, deep wrinkles, more fine lines etc. She doesn't look as fresh faced as RE3make, nor as smooth as RE5. TBH, I'm more bothered by the fact she doesn't have longer/blonde hair or even the chest scars, that reflect what she experienced in RE5 (their excuses for her look, are stupid naturally).

I won't even get into how Claire and Leon look the same as they did in Infinite Darkness (which is set almost 10 yrs prior to this one and Leon looked more like his age in RE6), Rebecca has a new face, and Chris has aged quite a bit from his look in Vendetta, which this film used as a basis. The designer even talked about how he put more fine lines/flaws in their skin, and lighter hair. In truth, people age differently too, but he went overboard with Chris.

It's less loaded to say, Chris found himself facing Wesker in Africa, than to bring up the whole story behind his only reason for being there was Jill, especially when the point of the file, was to try and paint a brief picture on why he's a Captain, and establish a BRIEF history of his conflict with Wesker, since Chris would be coming face to face to Jake as well. It's LAZY and annoying, sure, but that's pretty much how they handle stuff. Establish one thing, and then try to make up for the rest later (maybe).

With Claire, she was easy to establish some details with, BUT, and I feel more people need to understand this, she wasn't just referenced for the SAKE of it, but rather Claire was referenced to serve a NARRATIVE function. They mention Claire, because of her connection to Chris and Leon (which they used to improve the relationship between the US Government and the BSAA), but also her relationship with Sherry, HAD to be addressed, and it would also serve a function when Sherry and Chris finally meet.

The incident in Degeneration is referenced as well as yrs prior to RE6, they establish SHE set up Leon and Chris meeting in person. Jill was not mentioned, but Project X Zone 2 suggested she met him at the same time (so sometime after Rev1 but before Lost In Nightmares). This works PERFECTLY.

The team even talked about this. They basically said, regardless of us not seeing them on screen together before, them being familiar with each other would already make sense (given their line of work and connections etc). I didn't even need them to say this, I've always felt that way. They reference how Leon and Chris were ALREADY established as having formed a mutual respect for one another, and through their connection, this is why Chris referenced the "Kennedy report" based on RE4 in RE5. The BSAA only had access to it, because of them linking up. It meant, outside of CV, they formed a connection. They say now, Jill and Leon could've met between RE3 and RE4, but basically before RE5 (they want us wondering when/how they met). Their thing was it wouldn't make sense for them to not be familiar with one another, which I TOTALLY agree with. They did the same thing with Rebecca ALREADY knowing Leon, in Vendetta, and likewise in Death Island, she and Claire already have a relationship as well (Claire and Rebecca were already working together before Claire asked Chris and Jill to come meet them), AND the same scene where Jill pokes fun at the Redfields is telling us Jill and Claire also have a relationship that goes back many years (some would argue Chris's letter in RE2make also established a familiarity between Jill and Claire). Along those lines, Rev2 established Claire never met Barry until after Chris and Jill invited him to the BSAA as an advisor.

This of course is only established here, because they chose to use Claire and Barry as the main characters, and they had to justify Claire's familiarity with the Burtons with a timeline. The Japanese and English localization contradict each other at times, one claimed Claire knew Moira since she was in Elementary, while the English localization doesn't mention that at all, and it doesn't line up with her official age. Everyone (even Jill) was aware of Moira and Barry's tension. Moira is 20 in 2011, so she would've been a teenager by the time Claire met her. They refer to Claire meeting Rani in 2005, and then mention Claire meeting Moira. They already said, Claire never met Barry until AFTER he came on as a advisor, and for her to have a longer history with Moira, then it likely wouldn't have occurred until the BSAA expanded post Rev1 (2005), which according to the Stage, Rebecca had become an advisor by that point too, making Moira about 14. Looking back at this stuff again, and how Jill talks to Barry in either localization, as if she had to caution/remind him the job could lead him to spending significant time away from his family...one might think she'd have told him this stuff before RE5, but the point is obviously, Jill doesn't want him to waste any time, and to repair things with Moira, and cherish that time together, because anything could happen (which it did and this also made me feel like Jill thought about her time away from her loved ones). He even admitted he could be overbearing (as Jill called him out on...yet people think Jill has changed into a new person LOL).

But you see what I'm saying? They used these these files to explain how say, Chris and Leon's connection could allow for more collaboration between the BSAA and the US Gov't, but at the same time, it keeps us informed that, OH! Chris DID know about the airport incident, he just couldn't do anything at the time, but he was STILL a loving and concerned older brother, who cares about his sister, despite not talking about her. With Sherry, they used FILES to establish what exactly happened with their relationship after RE2 (which we knew nothing about, but they had to speak on it then). *Re2make ends things differently, as Claire was NOT supposed to mention Chris at the end...that last minute change is why Jill lost her lead role in CV. They tied it to Leon and his bond with Benford (who they establish is the one who recruited him in the end), tied that also to Simmons, and him taking legal custody of Sherry. All of this is related to how Claire was allowed to see/interact with Sherry. Someone even prevented a message Claire had for Sherry about her getting bad vibes about Simmons, from being seen by the wrong eyes. Leon only told Benford about their bond (that we know of), and he was a high level agent before becoming president. So...

They used Rev2 to try and fill in gaps and answer some questions. People demanded to see Jill and Claire in RE6, and Capcom told us to focus on the characters in the game! LOL! Rev2 played it safe. They of course establish in Rev2 Claire met Piers, to explain her mentioning him in the ending. Jill getting labs done, and getting Rehab, many of us assumed that would happen to her. It's just the length that we questioned. They didn't really tell us anything significant though. Jill, honestly, was required to be directly mentioned. She had the most established relationship with Barry (despite Chris knowing him before STARS), as we only got to know him in her stories. Uroboros was involved (which she's directly connected to), as well as Alex, who also was established in RE5. It's why I'm not surprised instead of Chris e-mailing Barry, Barry e-mailed him, and the LAST secret file is Jill contacting him. They didn't have a valid excuse to not mention her. RE7 and 8, are about other characters, and they clearly still had to decide on Jill's direction. RE8's director admitted he wants to see Jill again too, alongside Chris even, and this film was in planning even before ID came out, so it at least shows Capcom FINALLY had put some sort of thought into Jill's role. The EP of the film, even said Jill had a very important role in RE, and she can stand right beside the likes of Leon and Chris (who they tend to treat/refer to as THE main protags).

I know this goes beyond what you have a grievance with, but I'm just illustrating how RE tends to work, and how it's best to have tempered expectations with this series. It honestly would be hard for Jill to NOT know about Chris going missing (which again is not based on anything established in this film or otherwise). It's typical RE, we have to read between the lines on a lot in this series, wait for details to maybe come in later, but still be careful when it comes to assumptions, and overanalyzing. Barry, for instance, contacted Chris as soon as he found out he returned from Africa (how long were they in Africa after the events of RE5? We don't know), and that he found Jill (him knowing would also suggest reports and things had to be written up to establish details he wouldn't have had access to otherwise, without someone as a contact). Why not establish Barry was asked to join the BSAA in RE5? It wasn't relevant (even though they did consider him to be in the game at one point), and they likely didn't know exactly what they wanted to do with him. Sheva herself wasn't even part of the BSAA originally.

They aren't always consistent with things, and can be very vague. Even the stage play has inconsistencies. Rebecca joined the BSAA as an advisor YEARS prior to RE5's events (she literally went ON the field as well), but Vendetta suggests she put her gun down after STARS, and focused on the medical science side of things. Fighting bioterrorism with her brains, as if she NEVER had to get more involved. So, she goes through the film with no means of self-defense equipped. Death Island flipped that, and she actually has a weapon on her.

With the other things I mentioned, in the game itself, it was made clear that Barry was informed about what happened in Africa (he knew about Uroboros to the point he recognized it's presence in the game), so we could infer that he MAY have actually met up with Jill and Chris afterall, like they both wanted to do. Unless they establish otherwise, Jill's observation/lab testing period (which she said was ending soon in her e-mail), and rehab didn't completely prevent her from doing other things. Also note NO ONE said Jill was just under lock and key this ENTIRE time. Rebecca even stressed to Chris, that for Jill, it was like FINALLY she's able to get back on the field, not "She's finally able to live outside of of the confines of the BSAA and do things she enjoys!" There's a difference between being ready to be on active duty (which was the focus of the film), and everything else Jill had to handle. This film was about Jill's comeback to the field. It's all assumption, that say, Jill was literally stuck in some BSAA facility for years. If that were the case, I would think Chris would've become disillusioned with the BSAA WELLLLL before the events of RE8. Also, if she had been under lock and key, that would've only done more psychological damage to Jill.

Jill was considered dead, she would have to re-establish SO MANY things, beyond even her psychological issues. Kinda like how RE3make depicted in the end, Jill had to start over. What we do know is communication was established again, and she was optimistic/determined to get back to work, despite the hell she faced. We know just from what other characters say and do, that she's been in touch with others, and they are aware of what happened to her. Like I said they actually put out the story for how Barry got his new weapon, and established it happened YEARS after the "original BSAA" was formed.

For all we know, Jill HAS met/been in contact Piers, but Chris didn't know about it, or it's simply oversight in the writing (which again is very common in RE, just like there are retcons). She may have shared stories about him, and even given some suggestions to Piers, that led him to think to check a place like the bar, that Chris had been FREQUENTLY going to the entire time he was missing, for all we know (on top of that she would've been a known figure of the organization...despite how they only act like Chris mattered in her absence). With that I'm saying she would have personal insight into how Chris operates, the condition he might be in, and how he could be somewhere as simple as some bar. Maybe when Jill returns to the games, they might establish what she did during this time, but you can see why they would opt to bring up Sheva THEN, because she had no baggage, and she would show how other branches extended a hand to help find Chris. There was nothing in depth to explore with her, like it was with Jill. Not defending them, but saying they chose the easy route for a reason IMO.

They writer said that Jill blames herself for what happened to her, as there was no one else left to blame (Wesker, etc were dead), and sometimes people will blame themself, he then says.

They talked about the situation Dylan put her in, and how if she hesitated her team would perish, etc. They also discussed how she overcame the villain, and how Jill operated in confidence, even in her own actions and abilities.

I honestly feel like a lot of things the writer of this film did aren't really going to matter...I mean look at how Claire witnessed some corruption with a senator from Congress, in Degeneration, yet despite the reasons Leon AND Sherry are tied to the Government, she doesn't understand why Leon couldn't give her the info she wanted to just put on blast in Infinite Darkness? She already had her life threatened by someone in a position of power, after she tried to confront him in front of people. She should've known, what she wanted to do, would've likely led to major issues happening, and her possibly being taken out. Is any of that ever gonna be addressed? Probably not. I even side-eyed Claire having to explain what Terrasave was, and someone looking at her sideways, like she was a terrorist over something from a decade ago (which has irony of course) .

It felt unnecessary, but I guess the writer was trying to make references and plug in Real/Fake news debate stuff etc.

Also to be clear, most of what I was talking about was about "general" comments, because this stuff has been coming up since the film came out. Like I'm saying people act like Jill should've been hyper-focused Chris, and not her usual self. I agree, they could've done more that felt more "authentic" or raw in a sense (the film needed to be longer to really do anything justice, with the number of character as it is), but what we got was typical RE and it still showed a close bond. Leon merely acknowledged Chris and Claire were there, but doesn't even actually engage either of them, while Jill does. Leon's made to set his focus on trying to get the cell door to move, until he noticed Taylor is in there with her. They focused on Dylan's past, because we don't know him, and they figure we KNOW the other characters. They give a little bit of focus on Jill since she is THE main character. Throw in Maria having a grudge with Leon that doesn't make any damn sense since the BSAA killed her father because he MUST be in the film no matter what, he knows who Taylor is, and he MUST have action scenes a plenty. Chris is a little more relevant as a male lead, and his relationship with Jill is vital, while Rebecca and Claire are there too. Least everyone got be to physically useful and not be knocked out/made largely a damsel.

They LITERALLY line them up so many times to show who's most/least relevant.

Just like the order of their profile videos...Jill is in the front of everyone. Next in line is Leon, then Chris, then Claire and LASTLY Rebecca.

The films, just like the games, could stand to be doing A LOT of things better than they do.

It's actually good to see these two disagree

I think it's interesting when it comes to Chris and his negative behavior in RE6 people are more understanding towards him. Especially about the trauma and difficult situations he has gone through, even referring to it as "character growth", which I agree with wholeheartedly. However, when it comes to Jill people expect her to not develop. Some say she should be pleasant and nice in reference to what they think the "old Jill" was despite the trauma she faced for three years of her body and mind being used and abused under Wesker's control in RE5. There were people actually expecting her to be the same person she was before in the Death Island movie. I don't understand that at all. She literally had to be in rehab and under observation for 6 YEARS because of what she went through in Africa, meaning that she really needed a lot of treatment, both physical and mental, after all of that. But I guess people expected her to be completely fine after that? Not sure why there's a double standard between Chris' character development and Jill's. Maybe it's because with Chris you see his problems unravel in the games while we don't clearly see Jill's true reaction to her trauma after she returns from Africa. We also don't get to see what she even went through when her body was used to make antibodies for the Uroboros project to the process of being mind-controlled. We only know the details of what she went through in notes and special files from RE5 and only a few details from her observation/rehab period from an email she wrote to Barry that can be found in Revelations 2. But I doubt that many people took the time to read these things while playing these games. I'm also willing to believe that rather than thinking Jill's personality changed, she is just showing a new determined side of her that stems from her deep regret about everything that happened to her.

People said that she was rude to Chris in the Death Island movie but to me, it just looked like two people who have known each other for so long, who deeply care for one another and have gone through their own troubles just having a disagreement. This shouldn't be a shock seeing that close friends, lovers, partners, etc do have arguments. It's actually a good thing to have arguments once in a while because it shows that the two people in that relationship are very close. Also, wouldn't you be pissed if you came back to work after being gone for 6 years and being told you need to sit this one out and think about things? Jill has been sitting around for 6 years "thinking about things" in rehab so why do you want her to wait around again? Don't get me wrong, Chris' concern for Jill was very valid but the way he went about it caused some misunderstanding between the two. But it's okay because even people who are very close to each other disagree sometimes.

[yourdeepestfathoms]

Healthy Pendragon Sibling Headcanons

* Morgana is the oldest, then Arthur, and then Morgause. Arthur is the tallest, though

* Their backgrounds are very confusing. Arthur and Morgana have the same dad but Morgana and Morgause have the same mom. Morgana alternated between who she lived with for awhile before mainly sticking with Uther, who had custody of Arthur. Morgause was given to her “father” by Vivian, but moved in with her siblings when she was a teenager.

* Morgana is a lesbian, Arthur is bi, and Morgause is ace/aro

* Morgause has a love for theatre and if she gets in a show, her siblings screams every time she comes out

* They sneak out a lot

* Literally broke into their school to swim in the pool

* They’ve reenacted Lord of the Flies in the middle of the night before because why the hell not

* These kids get super competitive in any co-op game they play

* They secretly buy each other pride flags, hang them up in their room, and see how long it takes to get noticed

* They’re so close hhh

* Morgause can only handle physical contact from them

* Sometimes one of them will yell “HALL MEETING!!!” and then they have a meeting in the hallway

* Morgana is the best at comfort

* Arthur and Morgause are not

* Morgause is terrible at verbally comforting someone. If a person is hurt, usually she’ll just hug them from behind, rest her head on their back, and wait until they calm down or stop crying

* Arthur just gets protective and is ready to fight

* Morgana will literally use her sibling’s middle names when she’s worried about them

* Oh yeah, middle names! Morgana Elizabeth Pendragon, Arthur William Pendragon, Morgause Autumn Pendragon

* They’ve learned all of each other’s triggers to avoid making each other uncomfortable

* Morgana is super gentle

* Arthur took his sisters clubbing before but they mainly just sat at a booth the whole time playing on their phones

* During this one Thanksgiving, they played kickball against other family members and Morgause ran into a windmill

* They are a very competitive team

* Morgause loves animals and wants to take home every stray she sees. Arthur is so set on this idea

* They compulsively bought a baby goat before

* Gwaine is determined that they wear some kind of matching costumes during Halloween. They end up going as Link (Arthur), Zelda (Morgana), and Sheik (Morgause)

* As a little bonus, Gwaine gets everyone in the gang to go as Legend of Zelda characters, even if they don’t play the game. He goes as the Skull Kid, Merlin goes as Wizzaro, Gwen goes as Twili Midna, Leon goes as Dark Link, Elyan goes as Komali, and Percival goes as Ganon

* “Where are my SIBLINGS!!!!!” -Morgana, 24/7

* Both Arthur and Morgana are super stubborn and when they argue it’s like someone is yelling at themselves in the mirror

* Morgana drives them everywhere because Morgause is too scared to, even though she has her license and Arthur driving makes her nervous

* Uther isn’t actually home that often because of business, so they take care of the house. Morgause is actually a really good cook. Arthur is not.

* Morgause has a tendency to go nonverbal for a short amount of time, usually after a panic attack or episode, but the other two are very patient with her

* Oh yeah she has some issues

* Morgause sometimes will play a certain song over and over again to relax herself and her siblings have just gotten used to it

* They play The Floor Is Lava a lot and sometimes they’ll just sit on the coffee table for an hour until someone backs out

* When getting groceries, Arthur is fully set on taking all the bags in at once which causes Morgana to scream “ARTHUR THE EGGS”

* They do this thing where they’ll just...see this place and they’ll be like “yup that’s where I’m going to spend my day”

* For example, Morgana walking into the kitchen to get a drink and sees Morgause on top of the fridge reading and she doesn’t question it at all

* Arthur, throwing a water bottle at his sister’s heads: YOU NEED TO STAY HYDRATED CHILDREN

* But that quickly turns into little reminders for each other: “Have you eaten today?” “Did you drink any water?” “Do you need anything?” “Wanna talk?” “Have you slept at all recently?”

* Morgana once finished a project for Morgause because she was exhausted and the topic was touchy. Morgana found her at her laptop, tears streaming down her face, gritting her teeth and struggling to type with her hands shaking so badly. That’s when she stepped in

* Morgause is allergic to hazelnuts and has always wanted to try one. One day, she hands Morgana an EpiPen and makes Arthur dial 911 and then shoves, like, twelve hazelnuts in her mouth

* It’s become an ongoing joke to call Morgause a ferret because she looks like one

* Gaius, about Morgause: I don’t think we’ve met.

Arthur: Oh sorry this is our pet ferret

* Morgause once fell out of a tree she was climbing and came down so hard branches snapped under her. She had to sleep on her stomach for two weeks because of how badly her back was bruised

* Morgause: Do you think Arthur and Morgana actually want me around? What if I’m just a nuisance at this point? What if I’m intruding?

Merlin, visibly annoyed: Morgause, this is the seventeenth time you’ve asked that. I don’t know.

Morgause, walking away: Okay, I’ll come ask again in a few minutes

* Morgana showed Arthur and Morgause Life is Strange to make them cry but she ended up sobbing, too

* In return, Morgause shows her Little Nightmares

* Morgana, when Six eats a rat: what the fU-

* They’ve played co-op on Shadow of the Tomb Raider together and Arthur ends up glitching through the floor and gets stuck. The girls laughs so hard they wheeze

* They went to see Tomb Raider (2018) together and they thought it was amazing

* Morgana: Tomb Raider was good. I liked when Lara killed the men

* She definitely has a crush on Lara Croft

* Morgause stress chews and when there’s nothing around for her to gnaw on, she bites the skin off her knuckles

* Morgana, noticing that Morgause is grinding her teeth against her bottom lip: GET THAT LIP OUT OF YOUR MOUTH YOUNG LADY

* They rarely ever fight, but you know it’s bad when they do.

* Morgause starts carrying gum around with her everywhere (mainly because of her chewing problem) and Arthur asks for some all the time. She once just threw an entire packet at his head before. He thanked her

* Morgause spends New Years in the basement. The fireworks are too much for her and she has multiple panic attacks. Morgana goes down to comfort her and they watch the old Tomb Raider movies together

* Morgause gets really violent and unpredictable when she’s having an episode or bad panic attack. She bites, scratches, spits, punches, kicks- anything to get away. She miscalculated a swing this one time, caught her fingernails on Morgana’s earring, and it tore out. Her sister had to get stitches for it. Arthur thought it was kinda cool

* Arthur accidentally poured a can of soda into a bowl of macaroni and cheese while his sisters watched without attempting to stop him

* Morgana walked into the kitchen and found a block of cheese in the utensils drawer, which somebody had decided was a knife when they were putting away groceries. Then she tried to look for cream cheese and could not find it for the life of her. It still hasn’t been found

* Morgause wears glasses

* But this one time she fell asleep with contacts on and woke up thinking she got her proper sight back

* Morgause: *glasses fall off and fall into the deep end of a pool*

Arthur: I gotchu fam

* If one of them has a date the other two like to spy on what’s going on

* Morgause attempted to cut her hair with a knife and it did not end well

If anyone has anymore, they can add onto this! I’d love to see more headcanons with these kids!