#and. yknow. Death/ True End Is A Part Of What Makes Life Whole And Meaningful.
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cosmik-homo · 8 days ago
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The world if at least htey handled the unnecessary Hugh resurrection arc Correctly w alfred and actually resolved that conflict and made alfred face literally any consequence...
#specifically if it was used to push back on the idea of Equivalent Death Exchange.#i will ALWAYS be a 'its basically a sartan superstition' truther. and it could ADD MEANINGFUL COMPLEXITY#What Alfred did was well meaning but ended up harmful. and now a) you CANNOT just avoid him every time he's in the room and dodge about it.#how is that any better than the other sartan @ the labyrinth or mensch. b) the reason its bad Isn't that it's Against nature#but that the person involved is NOT HAVING A GOOD FUCKIN TIME. so Unpack why alfred is relying#on that belief that there's Limited Life To Go Around (to cope and give meaning to the death on abarrach pryan and ARIANUS.#to not resurrecting his family even) And what are the bad sociopolitical implications of that logic.#VS not being interested to help hugh die now cuz#that feels like assisted suicide and alfred has struggled w suicidal ideation b4. And we know the patryn stance on that one leans towards#- ok i am not going to get my laptop but i distinctly remember it being talked about how 'labyrinth mad' patryn often seek self isolation#and death to not burden the tribe. and whatnot. both alfred And haplo compare the Repeated Death W Out Release to their Inner Struggles#on page. iirc. i def remember haplo cuz i recently reread that and i think hugh compares it to alfred. but maybe its in the realm of#having grown Useless by not being able to kill. which is ANOTHER great angle to tackle this from.#and. yknow. Death/ True End Is A Part Of What Makes Life Whole And Meaningful.#and maybe less paternalism means helping people when you dont get it.#im not v coherent but. please. anything like closure and good resolution to an already bungled arc . pleaseeee#attacking the Morality Wizard w Conundrums
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keycrash · 8 years ago
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Is there any way you'd compare Junpei and Santa, and the differences between them?
RUUUUUUUBS HANDS TOGETHER
SO. they’re actually pretty similar in a lot of ways! ESPECIALLY in regards to personality typing. both are slytherin. aoi is a 7w8 for enneagram, and junpei’s an 8w7. aoi’s an ESFP in a Se-Te loop, and junpei’s a plain old ESFP. personally i’m not an expert on all of these personality typing systems-- most of it is from my friend’s analyses-- but here’s some specific insight into aoi’s looping:
Se-Te loop dynamics: impatient and strongly driven to seek continuous positive environmental feedback, often through blindly chasing “success” as measured by external standards -> but continues to suffer low self-esteem and lack of meaningful direction because of failing/refusing to reflect upon and stay true to personal moral values (i.e. does not have a clear understanding of what one really needs from life or contributes to the world)
defensive loop tendencies: excessively stubborn; buries personal problems or inner turmoil behind cold “rational” competent action; prone to projecting personal inadequacies onto others; lacks moral integrity and displays poor understanding of other people’s suffering or difficulties; tendency to repress personal feelings or brush aside internal warnings of danger; prone to being argumentative, domineering, arrogant, caustic, jealous, envious, or territorial; tendency to demand agreement/approval from others or streamroll people who disagree; prone to unfairly judging others as unsupportive, weak, oversensitive, incompetent, or inferior; takes aggressive but hasty actions with the unconscious intent to repress feelings of insecurity, unhappiness, or low self-esteem
i’m just getting the personality typing similarities out of the way first because... frankly i don’t know a lot about them! but i do know that these two are similar in that way, but the way their personalities come out externally is a lot different
aoi’s personality has very much been molded from his experiences, and he has to twist it to be useful for what he has to do-- for example, he has pretty defined morals, but he has to shove that all in a garbage can in order to accomplish what he needs to with akane. he doesn’t often get the opportunity to act like his “natural state,” because a lot of his actions are out of pure necessity. meanwhile, junpei’s had a pretty normal life up until 999! he hasn’t been in these extreme moral conditions. he’s naive, he’s idealistic, but he’s willing to fight for what he believes in. when it comes to these intense moments like in 999, he’s not a strictly selfish person, but he knows where his priorities are; he’s not going to fuck people over just to get himself and akane out, but she’s always first on his mind. (once he hits vlr, he’s pushed that to a bit more of an extreme; he’s not going to fuck the group over for the fun of it, but he’ll take any opportunity he can to push quark ahead because he’s weathered and tired and just wants his kid out alive) 
junpei and aoi are both extroverts, but they’re rather picky extroverts; junpei likes being around people, but he doesn’t have a lot of close friends at all. aoi likes hanging around his crew, but “his crew” can consist of anywhere from “just akane” to “akane nona ennea clover light phi et cetera” depending on what point he’s at. most of aoi’s relationships are either “distant acquaintances” or “close as fuck” for a lot of his life, so he has to build a middle ground of plain old friends
and yknow how i mentioned junpei is naive, at least before 999? that really stands out next to aoi, and it’s not a trait aoi likes. aoi’s seen so much shit in his life, seriously, that some deep part of him just doesn’t have a whole lot of patience for someone like junpei who doesn’t “get it.” in fact, aoi hates junpei on some level for how much power he has despite his naivete-- this kid who hasn’t seen shit, who has no idea what the fuck he’s doing is the one in control of whether akane lives or dies! he hates it! 
of course, junpei sees a lot of shit in 999, and he sees a lot of shit before ztd, and he sees a lot of shit before vlr. he kinda sums it up in one quote in ztd: "Humans aren't as beautiful as I thought.” while reality hit young aoi pretty gradually, from his parents’ death to finding out about their wrongful conviction to their poverty to akane’s death to the second nonary game, life’s hit him hard, but it’s been over time. for junpei, he gets smacked with a ton of bullshit in the span of a year and hits his low point, and it doesn’t get much higher from there for decades. but honestly, the way he gets into it is still naive in a way; aoi’s spent so long seeing the awful shit humanity has to offer, but he’s not exactly a pessimist-- rather, a realist. meanwhile, junpei’s seen a lot-- and it’s bad shit, it really is! he saw so much death and destruction!-- but it’s pushed him from idealism/optimism to an unfounded pessimism for a while, and he hasn’t truly found his balance. by vlr, he is a bit more balanced; he’s grown, he’s matured, fighting for humanity and raising quark has restored some faith in him
hmm... another thing is that junpei’s a bit more risky than aoi. now, don’t get me wrong, aoi isn’t a weenie or anything at all, but he doesn’t wanna be unprepared when shit hits the fan and there’s a lot at stake. in his normal state, i don’t think he’d stick to plans too rigidly, but after 10 years with akane he’s learned to plan, backup plan, backup backup plan, because with their line of work, everything matters. and, yeah, he wouldn’t be like this if he didn’t have these duties-- but he does have these duties, so... yeah. meanwhile, junpei is fighting for his own causes, usually just for himself and people close to him. although there’s things on the line for him, the sense of duty isn’t as strong, and he’s willing to be cunning and take risks to get what he needs-- for example with the confrontation in safe end. (compare both of them to akane, who operates under very strict plans whenever possible for her, but who doesn’t stress out too much if they fall through and is capable of doing quick, calculated thinking on her feet in a stressful situation and even taking huge risks for big payoffs-- for example, detonating a reactor in ztd just to force C team to shift)
i asked my friend for more pointers and we also discussed how aoi’s got a LOT more self control than junpei. junpei isn’t like super out of control or something but aoi just has that shit on lockdown-- aoi reacts fast to things and doesn’t hesitate but his instincts are so trained and exact that he doesn’t end up doing ridiculous things and making shitty mistakes or saying the wrong thing. meanwhile, junpei? he has a lot under his belt with cunning plans-- the hongou confrontation, the voting paper switch, etc-- he’s GOOD at manipulation like that. but he never has a backup plan, he just bets everything on that one shot! and sometimes that backfires! badly! like when he got the bomb detonator from dio and caused all the bombs to be activated! aoi goes into things with backup plans, and it’s very much a learned behavior-- ever since he was a kid he had to keep track of expenses, balance everything, eventually learned stockbroking where he had to keep track of more and then had to help plan the nonary game which is ALL ABOUT plans. i don’t think he’d be like that if he hadn’t been through all his trauma, but he was, so he is.
(speaking of trauma that’s literally their main difference. they’d be a lot similar to each other if aoi hadn’t been through so much, but what he went through affected him so much that they’ve just... completely diverged)
hmmm. i can’t think of anything else at the moment?? that was just a train of thought dump but it was interesting to write so thank u
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