#and then twoiaf says the hightower base is a mysterious ancient fortress built before even the first men came to westeros? hello???

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But then how does one explain the dragons? I love crack theories btw. So I'm not asking these things to try and pin you into a corner. I'm truly curious. This is very close to my own personal headcanon btw that fAegon is Ned and Ashara's. Just the whole idea that he actually DID cheat on Cat and birthed a Bastard but doesn't know it and that child is claiming himself to be Aegon while Ned actually has the real Aegon is too fun.

There’ll be no pinning to any corner! @ktwrites and I are ready! But trust that when I first heard this theory, that was my first question, too.

First thing’s first: Targaryens suck at hatching dragons. Don’t let them tell you any different. It’s been a century and a half since a Targaryen hatched an egg.

As for the Valyrians, while they were famous for taming dragons, there are actual scrolls that talk of pre-Valyrian dragon tamers:

TWoIAF says:

“In Asshai, the tales are many and confused, but certain texts—all impossibly ancient—claim that dragons first came from the Shadow, a place where all of our learning fails us. These Asshai'i histories say that a people so ancient they had no name first tamed dragons in the Shadow and brought them to Valyria, teaching the Valyrians their arts before departing from the annals.”

Basically, the Maesters are dismissing the theory that the Asshai'i tamed dragons because the stories are too old. Cool story, bros!

Important to note: Illyrio tells Daenerys her eggs are from the Shadow Lands beyond Asshai. The Valyrians got their eggs from the Fourteen Flames.

Aside from that, there is a lot of physical evidence of dragons in Westeros and Essos via fused black stone/dragonstone.

So, pre-dating Targaryens, we have this fused stone in Oldtown:

“The foundation of the Hightower on Battle Isle at Oldtown is a square, labyrinthine fortress of fused black stone.”

And very intriguingly, the Five Forts of Yi-Ti are made of a similar substance. These structures were built, likely, by a civilization pre-dating the Golden Empire of Yi-Ti, most likely the ‘mythical’ civilization of the Great Empire of the Dawn, whose territory included Asshai, and whose kings almost certainly had Valyrian features, as seen in Dany’s fever dream in AGoT:

“Ghosts lined the hallway, dressed in the faded raiment of kings. In their hands were swords of pale fire. They had hair of silver and hair of gold and hair of platinum white, and their eyes were opal and amethyst, tourmaline and jade. ‘Faster,’ they cried, ‘faster, faster.’ She raced, her feet melting the stone wherever they touched. ‘Faster!’ the ghosts cried as one, and she screamed and threw herself forward. A great knife of pain ripped down her back, and she felt her skin tear open and smelled the stench of burning blood and saw the shadow of wings.”

This is a clear nod to the Great Empire of the Dawn from Yi Ti, a 'mythical’ realm, featuring rulers such as the Opal Emperor, Amethyst Empress, Tourmaline Emperor, and Jade Emperor. This vision seems to suggest that Daenerys might even be dreaming that she IS the Amethyst Empress being slain by her brother, the Bloodstone Emperor. This is the action that allegedly caused the first Long Night, from which the mythical hero, Azor Ahai, rose up to vanquish it with his sword, Lightbringer. Also - the shadow of wings? Dragons? Hmm.

There are many parallels between the Great Empire of the Dawn and House Dayne: First, the word Dawn. Second, the color Amethyst, the color of House Dayne’s banners. Valyrian features - silver and gold hair and purple eyes. They held swords of pale fire - similar to the pale milkglass of the sword 'Dawn’. Further, the Bloodstone Emperor was said to “worship a black stone that fell from the sky.”

House Dayne was founded by their ancestors who tracked a fallen star to where they raised Starfall, only to find the stone had magical powers. The blade 'Dawn’ was said to be forged from the heart of fallen star - pale in color, and while similar to Valyrian steel, it is arguably superior. House Dayne is said to have been around since the Dawn Age or the Dawn of Days.

So, this is most likely where the Valyrians and the Daynes originate.

(Gonna copy/paste something I wrote previously, because it applies here, too:)

Amethyst Empress:

Allusions to purple and white coloring (Dayne, anyone?)

A sword made from a fallen star

A unique, magical sword called DAWN, which almost literally means LIGHTBRINGER

Azor Ahai, who ended the Long Night rose FROM this very culture

Pale milkglass/swords of pale fire

Bloodstone Emperor:

Allusions to red and black coloring (Targaryen, anyone?)

Worshipped a black stone that fell from the sky

Ushered the Long Night with his Blood Betrayal

Much like the Valyrians, the Bloodstone Emperor is viewed as ���sinister’

Valyrians possessed dark, rippled steel

(Important to note that Lightbringer is very similar to Valyrian steel, yet light in color, while Valyrian steel is dark. Lightbringer is said to have been made with a willing sacrifice, could that explain the difference in coloring? “All Valyrian sorcery was rooted in blood or fire.”)

Even the color of Dany’s dragons might be parallels to these ancient ancestors:

The Onyx Emperor, the Jade Emperor, the Pearl Emperor

Now, linking the Great Empire of the Dawn to House Dayne is a bit of a leap, but there are many reasons to think so, and many popular GoT-based podcasters seem to think so, too, such as Lucifer Mean Lightbringer and Westeros History. That being said, this part is NOT my theory. But linking Daenerys to the Daynes via the GEoTD, I think KT and I are the first to do that.

So, we do link it to Daenerys through her curious fever dream. Pair that with “Lemongate”, Barristan saying she looks like Ashara’s daughter (but not Rhaella, who he guarded on a daily basis), and the mysterious Quaithe appearing to Daenerys telling her to “Remember who you are” and that the “Dragons know, do you?”

I know the popular interpretation of that line is that people assume Quaithe is uring her to return to Westeros as a fierce Targaryen to claim her throne, but Quaithe asks this of Dany and the very next paragraph has Daenerys waking up with ants all over her and this is what she thinks:

“It turned out that their anthill was on the other side of her wall. She wondered how the ants had managed to climb over it and find her. To them these tumbledown stones must loom as huge as the Wall of Westeros. The biggest wall in all the world, her brother Viserys used to say, as proud as if he’d built it himself.”

So perhaps Quaithe is telling her to remember her roots to Azor Ahai/that she is a Dayne, and perhaps that she should focus on reclaiming Lightbringer(/Dawn)?

To further link Daenerys to the Daynes:

According to Westeros History, “Here’s what could be seen on Amazon and in other places back in 2002, when book 4 was still planned to be A Dance with Dragons instead of A Feast for Crows”:

Aaaand, because I’m sorry, but I can’t get over this one:

Does any of that help? lol!

Lastly, regarding N+A=YG (fAegon):

Oh, thank the old gods you’re not one of those “Ned would NEVER do such a thing!” people, lol.

There are also people who think Edric might be Ned and Ashara’s (too young), or Allyria (some seem sure of her age but I can’t find it anywhere). I’m DYING to know what in the books links fAegon to Ashara/Ned (aside from his looks and his creepy tutor who is hiding from something, and that, like Oberyn, Ashara danced with Jon Connington at Harrenhal), or Varys and what he’s up to, for that matter.

I will say one thing - that Tyrion almost has to convince himself that fAegon’s eyes are purple. And as for Septa Lemore - he never mentions her eye color, which seems odd to me since most people who think of Ashara tend to think of her haunting violet eyes. In fairness, he could be too busy looking at her ass, eh? And also in fairness - Edric’s eyes are a dark blue that seem purple, as well. So there’s that! Wait, why am I helping you? ;D