#and idk it's not true and i hope the duffers don't give him this reason in s5

[starry-eyed-steve]

Max taking the risk in season 2 is the reason she survived so long, and it will (hopefully) be the reason she gets saved in season 5.

I love the angsty lumax scenes comparisons/parallels like every other person, but it's not true that Max getting involved led to her being in a coma in s4. I think people want an angsty Lucas arc for the last season where he blames himself for everything, but I need someone to reassure him it's not because he got Max involved in s2. I believe his guilt will mostly stem from him not being able to stop Jason in time, letting Max go through with the half-baked plan and, in general, letting Max isolate in the months leading up to Vecna. (Which is already enough. Someone needs to give him a hug in s5)

Max being part of the group by accepting the risk, actually saved her life in multiple ways.

In s3, the chance of her dying due to Billy would have been significantly higher than it actually was. Billy would have gotten possessed either way. It was Karen's fault, not Max or the party, that he was at the wrong place at the right time. If Max hadn't known about the Mindflayer or El, she wouldn't have suspected anything, thus making her an easy target to get flayed as well.

If she were to survive s3 on her own, Vecna would have still targeted her because she felt guilty about Billy dying not because she witnessed it but because she wished that something would happen to him to make the abuse she suffered from him stop. And when something did happen, she blamed herself. Her complicated relationship with Billy is the reason why she got cursed. It was never because she took the risk. Her issues stem from outside of the supernatural things. Without Lucas and her friends, she wouldn't have survived the first attack. She would have been confused like Chrissy, Patrick, and Fred, not knowing what was going on and then dying a horrific death.

Taking the risk ensured her to live as long as she did because she had the opportunity to get information that were vitol for her physical well-being.

But taking the risk also gave her the opportunity to live a more fulfilled life. In the beginning of s2, Max was super closed off. She was scared to get close to anyone because of her brother. He was threatening to harm people if Max disobeyed him (aka him trying to run the party over as a scare tatic to get her back under control after the argument). So she pushed Dustin and Lucas away. It was easier and safer for everyone involved. If we take Runaway Max as canon, then Billy actually physically harmed one of her friends, so it's understandable that Max tries her hardest to stay away in the beginning. Only due to Lucas and Dustin constant persuading and pushing she opened up a bit more. And then when Lucas told her the huge secret she was suddenly a part of something so big she had to allow herself to trust others because her life was dependent on it. It gave her the opportunity to be honest and vulnerable to an outsider, which also then led her to free herself from her brother's control by the end of s2. Meeting Steve and the rest and seeing that someone was willing to protect her from her brother's abuse gave her the strength to set boundaries, which then allowed her to be happier and more open. She met El and found amazing friends in the party, which she wouldn't be close otherwise. It also allowed her to have a different relationship with Billy. In s3, they seemed to be more relaxed before everything went south.

Without getting involved, she probably would still be the closed off girl she was at the beginning of s2. She would still be under Billy's control until he died. And then she would be alone without anyone really looking out for her, which would lead to her definite death in s4.

Lucas saved her physically and emotionally by giving her the opportunity to take the risk. And because of that, she can still be saved in s5.

[myriadof-fandoms]

i'm procrastinating so: my theories for tomorrow (kinda includes spoilers just bc of scenes from the trailer)

vecna won't be defeated (this just seems. yeah,, idk if anybody actually confirmed it?? but it just seems like what's most likely)

or,, he does and the villain in s5 is the government? which would lowkey be kinda cool but seems less likely

"hawkins will fall" "your friends have lost" yeah ngl i think we might be fucked this time boys. it's giving infinity war vibes ngl.

eleven blows up the lap thingy

eddie doesn't make it. bc like. yeah. idk i'm just trying to prepare myself really.. i mean there's a witchhunt out for him

fuck jason btw pls hit him from me lucas <3

billy <3 (yes. i'm holding on by a thread. the thread is dacre saying scenes)

lucas gets vecna'd

max gets vecna'd again?? if they kill max i will just be disappointed by their lack of imagination tho. i just think there's like one single second in the trailer where he has his claws on her again

i am HOPING the whole theory of will was actually vecna'd all along turns out to be true

for whom the bell tolls 🙏 pls

reunion of all groups,, i'm not actually convinced? i just think the cali group makes it back to hawkins maybe? bc otherwise how tf does will find out about it all..? bc mike and he talk about it. okay i'm not gonna clown and say will and vecna mind connection but yk

i mean eleven has to be back as well bc otherwise how does she show up in the creel house

gay painting ftw (lowkey i don't ship byler but,, they do be hinting. i think we might at least get a coming out from will? but. yeah i am trying to be realistic about even that lol)

jamie bower will be iconic

so there's gotta be at least one death in the main cast right? like they have almost all said sth in an interview

they won't touch the kids pls

i'm really afraid for dustin but like. i feel like that's unreasonable.

it's not gonna be steve. this is partly just me not being able to even deal with the idea but also,, with the current trend of media wanting to always be surprising? killing off steve would be the most expected thing they could do

also the actual stakes of killing steve? very low. if you think about it they could do almost nothing with that. the only people who would actually be properly targeted by his death would be dustin, robin, max and nancy. maybe lucas and eddie.. if eddie makes it. no one else has an actual proper close bond with him. we don't even know his parents.

they could kill off robin but then i will fight them to the death so. but they did just give her a love interest? who we've only seen once?? it would be.. weird. also again, very low stakes in the show itself

which leaves nancy as most likely to die for me. (jonathan just seems. huh. idk i just don't see it? could happen i guess)

reasons for nancy: shock factor! again i think most people expect steve to bite it and nancy would be sort of unexpected. stakes! almost everyone has a close relationship with nancy (mike for obvious reasons, steve, jonathan, max and her were bonding too this season, dustin (remember snowball), lucas and will have known her for ages too), and we know her family. they could do a lot with this.. also wasn't karen shown in a trailer screaming? or did i make that up

oh that reminds me i'm still hoping the whole stancy thing was just set up so that when nancy sees jonathan again she can have a moment of "oh right that's the boy i have loved for three fucking season i just missed him so much that i forgot"

i just really don't want steve to die and i'm not ready to lose my new metal son thank you for coming to my ted talk

the duffers seeing me find as many reasons as possible for why steve won't die: