#and i've been meaning to tell people to actually read the pdf themselves i keep seeing people parrot other people's wording

[atthebell]

to write it out in a slightly more organized manner, here are a few of the reasons why people have disliked cellbit over the years and some of the more nebulous things that i think are causes. nonexhaustive and also i'm mostly writing this so people understand more of why like. idk why cellbit and why his fans kind of are the way they are, because there's a lot of context and history behind stuff. cellbit fans are really defensive because of all of this, sometimes more than they should be, but the guy has also been through hell and i think people don't quite realize everything that's happened and how exhausting it is on top of the inherently traumatizing experience of being so much in the public eye.

firstly, being famous since teenagehood for being an annoying gamer boy does not always actually endear you to people. this is a relatively minor thing, but a lot of people think he got crazy famous for basically no reason other than that he's pretty, and while there is some level of truth to that (he is INCREDIBLY lucky, and him being attractive is definitely part of the appeal for many people, but he is also very good at content creation and very smart about it), it's kind of a stupid reason to dislike someone and i don't think it's that big of one in the scheme of things. he was also, like another rb added, extremely annoying, as most teenagers are, and his voice pissed people off, which, you'd be surprised by how much that has an impact on people disliking someone even for an extended time, even if puberty gets rid of that issue.

there was also a period of time around when he was like 18-20 where he got pretty uncomfortable with how parasocial fans were and began to try and shake that element of fandom off, telling people off for having his photo as their profile photos, making fun of fans who were obsessed with his appearance, etc. etc. he said some stuff that made him seem pretty arrogant, and a lot of people didn't like that. this, along with some other controversies that i don't have a ton of info on but seem to me to be typical gamer boy youtuber shit, gave a lot of people fuel for the fire. i don't want to excuse the latter, i just don't know much about it, and i also don't think one should hold someone to shit they did years ago that didn't directly harm anyone.

along with those, his ex painting him as emotionally abusive for years and him refusing to talk about it made a lot of people believe her (which, at the time, i kind of understand, considering he didn't want to speak up and hoped it would just die down and he could move on with his life. i want to reiterate that he never talked about the claims and never wanted to until february of this year.) and made plenty of other people take it as an opportunity to hate him for what seemed like justified reasons. anyway, in regard to the stuff with his ex, i once again recommend people actually read his description of what happened, because i still see a lot of people on here (even people who support him!) who didn't actually read it and say stuff that just isn't true about the situation. tws for sexual and emotional abuse, including childhood sexual abuse. it's a difficult read but i think it's important if you want to actually understand that situation that you not hear it secondhand. some of the things his ex did also very much tie in with how people treated him in the public eye and his reactions to certain things, so that adds extra context.

aside from that, then you add on, along with being crazy famous for many years, him becoming a catalyst for a huge ttrpg trend in brazil and becoming even more famous because of ordem and you get a guy who's incredibly famous, incredibly disliked for a few different reasons, and unavoidable in terms of online content in brazil. that kind of fame breeds a lot of nasty shit and makes cellbit into a punching bag that everyone felt free to go at for a long time.

he's also majorly disliked by some conservatives for being progressive; he got like mega cancelled by a bunch of brazilian christians for supporting lula, despite the fact that he created a ttrpg about esotericism and doing rituals and summoning evil creatures. like if i was a weirdo conservative christian lula would be the least of my concerns, far below ordem and him blaming global warming on people believing in g-d, as another example.

along with all this, ordem fans are some of the most entitled, rude, awful fans i've ever encountered. not all of them, obviously, and probably not even a majority, but there is a significant contingency of ordem fans who believe that cellbit is straight up the devil and criticize every single choice he makes, despite the fact that ordem is a passion project and he is beholden to no one but himself when it comes down to it. these people can't seem to realize they could just. go play a different fucking rpg if they hate him so bad, and instead try and make demands about ordem that they have no right to ask for.

this is going to sound tangential but i promise from years of engaging in fandom that this is extremely real: it also does not help that lorena is so attractive. i wish i was joking but people cannot handle hot women who are dating guys they're obsessed with, whether in a positive way or a negative way. and lorena also spends a lot of time on twitter and talks about misogyny as an issue so people really fucking hate her, along with really fucking hating cellbit.

and in regard to the specific thing of people talking shit about cellbit, a lot of people have figured out that if they talk shit about cellbit, they get clout. it's been the case for a very long time, and only this year has the tide somewhat turned on that, with people realizing how much of their criticism of cellbit was vapid at best and rested almost entirely on the false premise that he was an abusive asshole. learning that that is not the case has made a lot of people realize how much shit he's had to deal with over the years and how awfully people have treated him, but before this, people felt like shittalking him would get them attention and kudos for standing up to the super famous dickhead (even when they were doing shit like, for example, sticking up for mods he fired for very justified reasons).

i'm not saying that cellbit is a little boy who needs to be protected, he's a grown adult (now, i think the way he was treated as a teenager was pretty fucking awful too), but it's pretty fucking stupid when you have people talking shit about him who not long before were streaming with him to try and get clout in that way. it's stupid juvenile dramatics and it's been really frustrating to watch and learn about for the last year, and is still frustrating to see people think that just because they got away with it before and people fawned over them before it that that means they can talk shit with no basis now without getting called out for it.

I would love the context,

i don't even know where to begin but basically because cellbit is extremely famous and for a very long time was EXTREMELY disliked within brazilian content creation circles/by fans (due to a myriad of factors-- partially some legit criticism, partially people lashing out because he doesn't like parasocial stuff, partially people deciding he's just a good punching bag, and also the stuff with his ex for many years made a lot of people feel justified in how awful they were to him). this isn't like that wild on its own BUT the amount of ex-friends/colleagues/ex-ordem cast members who will just randomly decide to talk shit about him for no reason is genuinely crazy. like watching old vods where he plays with other people will be wild because he'll be playing with like four people who since then have said absolutely batshit stuff about him, and it's kind of crazy just how many people it is. like you know how people don't talk enough about how there is a version of parasociality that involves being obsessed with hating someone? that's kind of how many, many people were/are with cellbit, particularly fans, and particularly ordem fans. the crew from the fear pong video + a few others are like. the small crew of people who haven't talked shit about him, alongside newer gringo friends of his.

this isn't a great explanation because there's too much context to really get into in a single or even a few posts, but tl;dr people talk shit about cellbit constantly and he was making a joke about how at least matt and everyone would be doing it to his face rather than, say, on-stream while he's asleep without talking to him about said issues beforehand

[ifuckingloveryoshu]

Bleh. Not really tagging I need to un-blorbify Ryoshu in my head but also, I want to be selfish and keep thinking self shipping thoughts. What a hassle. I already tell people that I write her or characterize her too nice. That is my bias, (not that I am writing anything at all even, its all just imaginary again) and what have you. The rest of this post is more about my thoughts on what I've read about the book Violence: A Writers Guide by Roy Miler, and vaugly rambling.

I have a pdf of the book, Violence: A Writers Guide. I still haven't set the time off to read it because I am infamous for managing time and acting on impulse. Anyways.

I feel when people do dislike Ryoshu or just see her as only sadistic murderer, they are here. I guess. Contrary to the name, I can understand why people not like Ryoshu. Honestly, as long as she continues to be written well, I will keep loving her even if her views don't align with mine. I'm prepared for if Ryoshu turns out to be the greatest artist of all the lands but ends up not the greatest mother. Hard to vocalize but you can dearly love your child so, so much, but activly be hurting them. I never want that to be forgotten because LOVE itself is a double edged sword. Never the end all be all. To open youself up to others and to live loved and loving means opening yourself up to getting hurt or hurting them. Someone else who has more life experience then I do, more experince with living, and one who is more sure of themselves could explain it better. I am not in the right place. Oh, but it is still varying from person to person, as lot of things dealing with humans tend to do.

Its too late to be typing so much but, from what section of this i've read are the levels of agression as followed: Nice, Manipulative, Assertive, Agressive, Assaultive, and Murderous. Nice are pacifist who don't use any agression. Manipulative takes advantage of nice people by passivly getting their way (maybe think blackmail or just good 'ol manipulation.) Assertive will set bounderies and use soft power to inforce those boundaries, Agressive will make threats of violence and yell out (think heavy verbal abuse.). Assultive will actually hit the aggressive person and feel justified about it. Murderous is just good ol murder.

Ryoshu is murderous but all the people on that bus have to be knocked down to the assultive level by default. They can't activly go around murder hoboing all the time. Outis is the only other sinner who I'd put in murderous because she can openly advocates like a professional. To quote the book, "A professional does not fight you, doesn’t even think about fighting you. He takes you out." And I think that fits Outis well if she weren't just stuck to Dante. Or I'm overestimating Outis' capabilities. Meursalt just doesn't apply to this scale at all. He is a special case that just does as hes told with little to no fuss. Hes not suggesting murder but he'll just do it if hes told. Even if hes not told, even before the bus, I still haven't read his book but come on. We kind of know the sun in the eyes thing.

Side Tangent: Hong Lu, Gregor and Yi Sang are in assertive. Hong Lu, im skeptical about because he is confusing. I have no idea what's going on in his brain, he has lived in an enviornment of high violence probably while being in a Nest which is strange. He just acts so care free, but there's something else there. We all know. Sinclair is just being forced gradually up there to assultive. Yi Sang has been persecuted but violence is not his first answer to things. Even if Gregor was in the Smoke War as a war veteran, his attitude does not strike me as assultive because he tries to talk things out, he was more of a PR boy, and what his bug arm does unvoulentarily is diffrent from what Gregor himself wants to do. Sinclair just keeps going from agrressive to assaultive, then to murderous with Kromer. He's developing and breaking out of his shell so he really isn't set.

I'm going to bed but

GMD: Not Limbus but uninvited guest in uhh Library Of Ruina

EBD: Virgilius and Don Quinnote scene. Virgillius just to any sinner. Maybe N Corp and Kromer and Sinclair to teach Sinclair a lesson. Uh. Erliking Heathcliff to Heathcliff roughly.

SSS: Anything sydicate related honestly.

Predatory Violence is just The City. It's just the way of the City, at least the areas outside the Nest.

There is a lot more intresting stuff in this book. Maybe when I decide to read more, ill just screw around I guess. uh. Thank for reading.