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#and i don't love talking about it bc optically it just sounds like. okay so boohoo. LOL
heirloommtomatoes · 2 years
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me when i was a cis lesbian saying that people who are bisexual and nonbinary are probably the pinnacle of human existence 🤝 me now being bisexual and nonbinary
#it's so weird changing your labels tho. why is that#like i'm bi! and i think i always...KNEW that to a degree?#me identifying as lesbian was wrapped up in a lot of things. the situationship i was in at the time lmao. me not being in a relationship#w a man or anything really for the first time in a long time and getting to think myself in a diff way.#and i don't love talking about it bc optically it just sounds like. okay so boohoo. LOL#but it's interesting on a personal level to like...#now i'm a person who looks v cis woman right.#and is in a relationship w a cis man#so it's like. i'm straight? optically.#and it's? idk it's odd but it's not? like *I* know how i feel about my sexuality and gender#but i'm like. am i still 'queer enough'?#OR ANYTHING* LOOOL I MEAN ANYONE**** i just noticed that oops#think about* myself#but the thing for me is this.#being treated like a straight woman? yuck sucks hate it#and i love my partner's family i really do! and i love my family! but it's so odd sort of being treated like i'm straight now#by ppl who aren't queer and aren't my partner lol he gets it#but i'm glad i typed this out bc i was paranoid i was like oh gdddd am i having another crisis#but this feels right. i just hate being treated like a straight woman when i'm neither of those things#and my PARTNER knows that#and it's not like i even want ppl to do anything differently really tbh! but all this talk of like. oh like so now you get married#and have kids. and i'm like. yeah i see that for myself w this person. but the way ppl talk about it i'm like.....#yuck! like yes that sounds lovely sure i would love to spend my life with a raise a family with this person!#but not as a straight woman! lol! and idk how to articulate it i really truly don't! hmm.#ellie yodels
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nekropsii · 2 years
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HI ITS ME. GUY WHO HAS A LOT OF THOUGHTS ON MEAT!ROXY. despite how i. admitedly dislike how they HANDLED meat roxy, i cant help but hold a certain... appreciation? fur transmasc roxy. i dont know a lot of canon transmasc characters. most of the time the people i s33 even headcanoned as transmasc-... dont match my experiences. roxy has ALWAYS been my favorite. i love her xomplex relationship with rose and addiction and her friends. i could rel8 to being- idk if hyperfem is the word but? before i transitioned i was deff a very girly-girl. and in my early transition stages i really thought i was faking bc no one ever made content with characters like that./ i love roxy so much, and it was so nice to see my fave character being canonically transmasc, and it reely hurts to see people constantly talking aboat how much they HATE it. i get it! i get how much it sucks to have a popular hc invalidated! but... transmasc roxy has always meant a lot to me- in ways i cant explain w/o delving into some personal stuff. idk, i just. sighs. this came out a lot less coherrent than id like, but even tho i have troubles with how hs2/the epilouges were handled... i reely did like that. i think hs2 is a compilation of good ideas and wasted purrtential, and i wishmore ppl would try and explore that instead of writingmit off and criticizing efurryone who wants to engage in it
Yeah. The handling is definitely one of the biggest factors that ruins it. A lot of Post-Canon is hugely mishandled, and meat!Roxy is no exception to this. The other biggest factor that ruins it is that it was put in official material.
I obviously don't hate the idea of a hyperfeminine person realizing they're transmasculine, or a hypermasculine person realizing they're transfeminine. Those are real experiences that people have, and they deserve to be touched upon. People with those experiences get very, very little representation. I said this before, but I have no ill feelings towards people who like meat!Roxy. It lines up with some people's experiences more than some other portrayals of transition, and therefore some people will gravitate towards it because of its rare factor of relatability to them.
The thing about it is that the writers were never going to get the handling of it right. The Post-Canon writers are not good at their job, they have too much to live up to, and it really seems as though the move was made to spite that widely accepted notion that Roxy is a trans girl- something that has some very real backing within the text of canon. Transmasculine Roxy... Isn't an inherently bad idea! It really isn't. But it is a bad idea to not only confirm a character's previously up-in-the-air birth sex- something that directly goes against one of the most widely accepted transfeminine headcanons of all time- and then proceed to make that character trans in the other direction... While completely sucking the soul out of that character.
Transmasculine Roxy is a fine idea. It's just not one that's able to ever be comfortably explored in a piece of official material. It's perfectly okay for fanworks and personal interpretation, but it doesn't have a sound place in canon just due to the optics of it. It's just too contrarian. And while some people may not care, a lot more people will, and a lot more people do. Too many people care for it to be a good idea to canonize in any regard, no matter what level of eggshells the writers walk on.
And while that may seem like an apocalyptically grim statement to make... That really is just how writing for an audience works. It might suck sometimes, but it's how it is.
TL;DR: Yeah, you liking meat!Roxy is completely valid and I do not blame you whatsoever. More power to you! Major respect! It was just massively fucking mishandled, and handling it at all in official material was just a bad idea. It was a concept that was most likely born out of spite, and destined to fail. Justice for transmasc!Roxy, by the way. Why the fuck did they turn Roxy into an entirely different character? All the charm of Roxy's character was really just lost the moment they made 'em transition. That's one of my least favorite tropes ever. I hate it here.
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