#and i do think ranboo isnt as effected by the egg at first because i like the whole desire thing

[frabbitx]

My interpretation and theorys about tommys season 1 dsmp final!

SPOILER WARNING FOR TOMMYS "The last stream" LORE STREAM!!!!

After tommy was revived, he finally made sense of the core of dreams desire for the server, he cannot understand why dream had to do the things he did to make that happen, why simplier times had to be the way he wanted them to be or why he hurt everyone in an attempt to achieve it, but he gets the core desire of his views, just showing how compassionate tommy is despite dream having tortured and abused and killed him for the past 2 years.

Dreams sees that and imidiently tries to use it into manipulating tommy to join their side, pretending to be all simple and just wanting to be friends. Of course that is untill he realizes that he is gonna die and that it was a trap.

Tommy saying "I'm sorry" wasnt him apologizing to dream for what he did but more for that he had to kill him, bc in the end, tommy never wanted to kill anyone, but to save the server he had to.

The nuke only hit the prison, like it intended to do.

However somehow the 5 people that were in the prison woke up somewhere else. Prehaps it was still the same server, just far away from everything or maybe it was a completly new world. They all had their memory wiped, but prehaps memory can be recovered?

(Also a lil theory im case that the whole server was nuked and everything was reset)

What cdream and ccwilbur said about the server got me thinking

Cdream said "how do people just apear on the server?" And ccwilbur said "prehaps ctommy and cwilbur met on another world, parted ways but met again on the dream smp."

It makes it seem like the server just started existing at one point and one after another, people joined. That doesn't make sense tho considering certain people have memorys from befor them officially joining the server that played on the server tho? (Like ranboo, puffy, eret) or that karl can go back in time to stuff existing on the smp and also the egg existing for a long time on the server. It makes no sense!

But what if the server is a loop? What if this isnt the first time that the server existed? What if dreamXD just resets the server everytime things go bad?

It would mean everyone has amnesia, but only some are aware that they have a past they forgotten. And that would mean that while the server gets reset, its possible to regain the memories of the past loop.

I would also like to think that there is people who were/are not part of the loop bc they came from somewhere else. Techno came from somewhere, so he would have no memories of a past life he forgotten. Same goes for phil and wilbur. However, phil might be part of the cycle now considering he was on the server when it was reset. Or prehaps he is not. I'd like to belief that wilbur isn't effected by the loop since he is not on the server, so if he ever returns he would be the only one who can remember the old dream smp. Maybe also foolish keepe his memories considering he is a demi god. He just didn't interact with anyone befor beside eret so he would not know that the server gets reset. Maybe also connor bc it would be funny.

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Even if I am wrong about all this, a saw a lot of takes on the ending that kinda saved it for me? Considering that tommy raged about cdream defenders in his offline chat before I think it wasn't intentional made to sympathize with cdream. Was it well executed? Not at all but again, the people on the dream smp are not writers in any way and I can see how it was hard to convey the message they wanted to give. I am already happy with alot of stuff that happened and the way ctommys character was handled. Because after all, ctommy is a compassinate person who always tries to see the best in people(we have seen that many times in people like techno or wilbur) who tries to belief there is good in everyone and that even small speeks of good are worth fighting for. No matter how much cdream hurt ctommy, he wanted to do all he could to not have to kill him in the end. Unfortunatly it was too late the moment tommy stepped into that prison.

[balillee]

heres a hot take for you.

i feel like everyone always makes it seem like c!niki n wilbur have this meaningful friendship n stuff but i....genuinely do not see it, at all. like, yeah, cc!niki n cc!wilbur have a very good n meaningful friendship, but thats just not the case with c!niki n wilbur, imo.

i mean, the only two important times that they interact canonically (at least the ones i remember/stand out to me) are when hes welcoming niki into lmanburg for the first time and when he tries to protect her during the red festival. both times just feel like “this is just something wilbur would do and isnt indicative of their relationship”, and everyone Acts like it is,

and it is SO frustrating bc it makes c!nikis actions (taking the pogtopia coat, getting upset over ghostbur, etc) just so WEIRD and bizarre. like it kind of feels like c!niki is a fangirl in a parasocial relationship with a dead ex-president. which is REALLY funny, but i hate it,

you can correct me if im wrong, maybe im just missing something bc i dont watch every stream (i haven’t actually sat through n watched an entire stream/vod since nov 16th), but thats just how i feel.

i don't remember too many specific interactions between them, but honestly, that might be the point you're making here lmao. c!niki's only really close relationship with anyone from what i remember is c!fundy, and that was from the pet war. she was meant to have a proper role following the manberg festival with c!tubbo and c!tommy, but she disappeared and made a reappearance at the coup. the two characters were friends, but from what i remember, their friendship wasn't anything of note and their canon friendship was definitely just their irl friendship, unlike how bench trio both have cc! and c! friendship dynamics (in which their c! dynamics have context through canon experiences such as doomsday and the festivals).

a big problem i have with c!niki in general is that her character is completely inconsequential - her actions have no consequences on anyone else, whether positive or negative. her entire thing on doomsday has had no narrative significance, nor has her city (which was started during tubbo's presidency, meaning she left l'manberg long before she pretended she ever gave a shit about it at the second festival), she was inconsequential in the nuke plot (and basically only served to give jack manifold someone to talk to) and her only contribution to the syndicate was telling c!techno and c!phil the name of snowchester and leading them there, which all could have been done by c!ranboo, and she had no effect on the red banquet whatsoever, and literally left the event early because there was nothing for her to do and no reason for her to be there (especially considering that this was literally her first ever interaction with the egg and the eggpire). there was literally an opportunity for some puffychu lore considering puffy was live, but we got more awesamponk lore and neither of them were streaming. her entire character is just aimless, bland, inconsequential, and a missed opportunity. it's gotten to the point where if c!niki shows up i just think - oh, you again. why are you here? you add nothing to this.

i'm so confused as to why everyone likes and cares about her character so much bc i just,,,, don't. i genuinely think she's a bad character, she's not that redeemable, her plotlines are half-assed and reachy at best and i wouldn't even know how to rewrite her to make her better. she seems to be stuck in some limbo between being vengeful and having a villain arc, or caring about her friends and being kind to them uwu 👉🏻👈🏻 JUST PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT don't pretend you care about kindness and making the world a better place and then siding with the people that blew up your home and killed c!wilbur, and who murdered your friends without any sort of remorse. c!niki is actually like, an awful person lmao and her relationship with c!wilbur is not at all developed so it's weird to me too that there's no much of a focus on a friendship that wasn't even there.

[the-phantom-ender]

im gonna talk about how the dream smp narrative has expanded to include more people and how important that is because im a loser and its like. midnight.

i think we can all agree that the roleplay part of the dream smp started as 'this is a story about wilbur soot and tommyinnit'. there were always other important people- the dream team, tubbo. but it was wilbur and tommy. and it stayed like that for a while.

then there was the election. the other candidates had some reason to watch their perspectives, but ultimately- it came down to tommy and wilbur in the end. then techno is added to the mix. hes another person people flock to, but hes ultimately with pogtopia. people start looking at tubbos perspective more, the spy on the inside.

then quackity breaks away from schlatt. a situation you would never know in full unless watching his end. of course, he, too, ends up with pogtopia. as do many favorites. and then theres the war. some people were watching tubbo or tommy or someone else. some people were watching wilbur.

some people watched phil. as he joined the server for the first time. now phil joining was important to all of this. he killed wilbur and effectively ended the chapter of the smp that was "all about wilbur soot and tommyinnit". ghostbur exists, but he isnt major to plot. techno and phil break off to the antarctic. theres tension in the badlands. the egg is starting to get more notice.

ranboo joins. ranboo joins clumsily and without intention for plot. and then he dives headfirst into it. he shoots the plot into two directions by helping tommy burn georges house. tommy is sent to exile. tubbo is the president. the egg is growing stronger. ranboo has memory loss. techno and phil are living it up in anarchy. sam is building a prison.

tommy joins techno and phil, the butcher army happens. speed up, skeppy is red now. the community house blows up- tommy is framed. tubbo and tommy meet again and lose the disks. doomsday. you can watch this from the side of phil or techno- destroyers, niki or fundy- letting the chaos go on, tommy and tubbo- fighting desperately, ranboo- a silent watcher, or many others.

doomsday really starts to kick stuff off because its the end of lmanburg. tubbo goes off to snowchester, tommy does his own thing. yada yada the final battle. dream is captured. theres less room for his plot now. more time for others. especially because tommy is busy building a hotel.

the egg is full swing at this point! several people are infected, several others are deeply opposing it. the egg lets characters react to it in their own ways. they all have their own struggles with it. the syndicate forms. one of the most spoken over voices in lore (niki) gets room to speak.

tommys lore is entirely incased in a prison cell. hes either dead or alive but hes not active. it isnt the story of just tommyinnit anymore, either.

the egg is... the biggest reason that its so worth it to watch other perspectives. it gives smaller creators a chance to establish their characters. like how foolish is a proper god or how hannah gets strength from red flowers. these are things that they may have mentioned before. but theres a difference when they get to put it into action.

major past lore people (wilbur, tommy, tubbo, dream) are stepping aside and letting the egg plot flourish. people get excited about smaller creators and its so wonderful to see that.

TLDR: the egg is the best for letting people find their voices in the smp and its good that people have a chance to not get talked over.