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#sylvie speaks#(in the tags because this isn't a complete enough though to make a proper post out of)#(and i will probably delete it anyway)#i am having Thoughts about creating and sharing and credit#and what it means to be a creator on the internet#(as much as that term has become loaded now)#i have mostly accepted that i do not get to control what people do with my words once i post them in a public forum#i will ask and i will request and i will trust in the goodness of strangers#but there will always be some people acting in ignorance or malice#and really when it comes to things like gifsets and fics and such i am so so happy for people to use them#even if it's for a fandom/media/ship that i might personally dislike or find uncomfy or some such thing#because it inspired and someone found meaning in my words and that is. all i can ever really ask#and they tend to be well credited anyway#and even if they aren't i think most people recognize that the quotes probably came from someone else#i'm not even as upset about poems floating around wholesale uncredited#(i'd have a personal vendetta the size of the pacific ocean against pinterest if i did)#but when it becomes credited to someone else#or when someone else claims credit for it#that... that does upset me in ways i find hard to articulate#and takes me by surprise in its stark contrast to how little i care about the other kinds of usage#i think it's about ownership perhaps#it is one thing to let something go#it is another thing entire for someone else to take it for themselves#it is mine; or it was; and i don't mind sharing i really don't#you don't even have to say thank you or tell me you're using it or even say it's mine#(though i much much much prefer that you do)#but it feels deeply violating for someone else to slap their name on it#i am perhaps slightly more bitter about this than usual#bc i recently discovered another piece of blatant plagiarism#that isn't worth pursuing but it does make me sad
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*sigh*
I'm not sure what school nonnie went to, but I've (alas) met a lot of people who went through university and who haven't been told what plagiarism is. Actually learning about essay writing wasn't a part of their education because... I don't know. But it wasn't.
So I'll give nonnie the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps they also went to school in a place where they weren't taught about it.
Nonnie, listen.
You are supposed to refer to other people's work when researching. This is absolutely something you are supposed to do. You can talk about their ideas, you can even summarize them, you can even quote them. This isn't just natural, it's expected.
Building on other people's work is not plagiarism.
Not mentioning that the ideas aren't original, and not mentioning who they belong to and where you found them - that's plagiarism.
The assumption in essays is that, if you don't specify someone else hasn't said it, you are saying it.
Let's say I write a post now, ok? And I say:
It's absolute shit to plagiarize and I think only weak people do it. Defending plagiarism is repulsive. I've never been tempted to do it myself, and not just because teachers told me it's bad, but because it's dishonest. And you know how it goes: in for a penny, in for a pound, once you're dishonest a bit, you'll be dishonest a lot. It's the mindset of cheaters who don't understand, much less place value on, creativity and integrity.
I've rephrased it, so a plagiarism checker probably won't catch it. But this is obviously otnf's point! This is her experience! It's not something I came up with myself, I'm just pretending I did.
Compare:
As olderthannetfic says in a Tumblr post (reference), "plagiarism is disgusting [...] it's intellectually dishonest and a person who will allow themselves to be intellectually dishonest once will do it again. [...] A cheater mindset is what leads to humans like Somerton who fundamentally do not value or grasp the point of actual creativity or integrity." I find that this is a common, instinctive stance for people who believe in sincerity - or alternately, for people who have original things to say. Presenting another's stance as one's own might be seen as a way to chase unearned respect and recognition, to the detriment of the original speaker.
Now I've directly quoted otnf! I took the parts that I found most relevant, then added my bit. Plagiarism checkers might notice our words are similar and flag this - but a professor will recognize this as a legit use of a quote. I'm building on what otnf said. I am referring to her position and allowing myself space to add my own take without obscuring the source of what I'm building on.
I'm not lying about who said the thing and pretending it's me.
This isn’t really closely related to fandom but eh. So the Somerton scandal going around—clearly what he did was wrong, he ripped off other creators and essentially stole revenue from them, etc. Terrible stuff, sounds like a terrible person.
But there’s this popular post going around about how OP is boggled that anyone could ever plagiarize because when they went to school their introduction to the concept was being warned that if they ever plagiarized their head would end up on a spike and it’s Very Bad Evil Terrible to ever plagiarize so they never even DREAMED of doing it.
And while I understand and agree that plagiarizing in order to profit is bad. Absolutely. Still—
Did y’all really never plagiarize in school because you were told it was bad? Really?? Plagiarization is one of those cheating tactics that’s actually very useful because you have to rephrase what you’re stealing in order to not get caught and rephrasing someone else’s ideas is an Excellent way to better understand them (and an excellent way to quickly do assignments when you’re struggling with a large workload). Obviously you shouldn’t do it for everything, but it’s not practical to do it for everything anyway because there are plenty of tests where plagiarization isn’t an option. And it’s not good to do it for actual published papers, yeah, but even not for essays? Especially in the lower grades?
Y’all really just…were told by a teacher not to do something and then never once even tried to do it? I thought this was the website where we all at least pretended to question authority!
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Plagiarism is disgusting.
Anyone who would do it has a weak character.
So no, I have never once plagiarized or even been tempted.
It's not wrong because some petty authority told me it's naughty: it's wrong because it's intellectually dishonest and a person who will allow themselves to be intellectually dishonest once will do it again.
Doing it in high school won't generally hurt other people, but that was never the problem. Same with all other cheating in school. The fact that you would try to defend this is repulsive.
A cheater mindset is what leads to humans like Somerton who fundamentally do not value or grasp the point of actual creativity or integrity.
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Dragon Sickness
Thorin x reader
Based off on 'Imagine Thorin becoming a dragon after getting gold sickness'
A/N: I really enjoyed writing this one, though I'd be able to make it a whole series with how many ideas I got, but here it is as a one shot. You guessed the character, @iwenttomordor !!
I'll probably translate this fic to Czech, if I will be in a mood for it.
Taglist: @guardianofrivendell @anjhope1
Breathe in, breathe out.
All Thorin could see, was darkness. He had no idea where he was, or what happened. The only thing he knew, was that if he was still able to do something, anything, it would mean he was still fully by his senses.
He felt deep growl coming out of the back of his throat. He opened his eyes, but then blinked. There was brightness everywhere, and he had to groan again. Did Fili and Kili forgot to blow the candles, played another stupid prank on him, and he passed out? Or did he fell asleep, while telling them a bedtime story?
Thorin opened his eyes again, when he seen endless piles of gold, and that it was not cadle light, but the shine of gold inside Erebor, and that Fili and Kili were not dwarflings anymore, but adults. They went on the quest with him and joined the Company, and...
Thorin blinked. Why was he alone?
"Fili, Kili!"
He expected to hear echo of his voice, but instead, he heard only deep growl and royar. He quickly looked around, up and down.
Was Smaug still there?
Thorin carefully looked around, but he couldn't see anything, that would remind of the dragon, who entered the Mountain over sixty years ago.
He decided to carefully look around, to see if his nephews and the rest of the Company was alright, without waking up the dragon, if he was still there.
Thorin made a step, when he noticed a reflection, in a huge mirror, in thick gold frame.
It was a dragon, with dark brown, almost deep black body and wings, long and pointy tail, and icy blue eyes. The light created shadows and pools of light, dancing across the texture of the dragon's body, making it seem rough and yet somehow highly gentle, even delicate, as the fire of candles flickered with the beast's every move.
Thorin looked away, and deep royar shook the walls of Erebor.
I need to find my nephews, he thought. Panic started settling in him, as he realized Kili was mortally wounded, and Fili stayed with him.
I belong with my brother.
He also remembered you. You did got wounded, too - you broke your arm, during the escape from Mirkwood. As a human, your body was much more fragile.
Thorin felt like he was losing his mind. He didn't cared for the gold, or the Mountain, anymore.
And with another wall-shaking royar, the dark coloured, blue-eyed dragon flew up, and left the inner part of Lonely Mountain.
Bilbo looked over at Balin.
"Where-where did that dragon came from? I'm sure there was only-only Smaug before," he said in high-pitched voice, he would be embarrassed about on any other occasion. Balin sighed and looked to the direction, of where did the dragon disappeared.
"I do not know, Bilbo. Now we need to find Thorin, and make a plan what to do. We didn't counted there would be two dragons, instead of one."
As Bilbo was trying to process what happened (the hobbit seen a lot of things on the journey, but this was really something he did not count on), Thorin looked over the Laketown. He noticed the people escaping the burning ruines of their houses. Smell of burned wood, skin, hair, mixed with smell of water and something he recognized as human, dwarf, and elves, got into his nose. He felt the soft breeze, and for a second, he thought dragons perhaps aren't that bad. It was calm up there.
Thorin looked over the town, and noticed a small boat. When he realized there was the rest of the members of the Company (and Bard's children), he let out a relieved breath. He felt like a rock fell off of his heart.
As he wanted to yell out "You are alive!", so they would hear him, a powerful royar escaped him.
You looked up, as Fili nudged you.
"What is it, Fi?"
"There is another...dragon," Fili said. You frowned.
"No way, Fili, that's-" you looked up as Kili pointed towards the sky. At the same moment, a powerful royar shook your whole body. You shivered.
"W-what the-" You whispered, and clutched your injured arm.
"It's flying down!" Bofur yelled out.
"We need to get away-" Someone yelled, but it was far too late.
The dragon flew down, and it seemed like it was observing you. It let out occasional growls, along with watching you by it's huge blue eyes.
He looks like Thorin, you thought. There was the panic, that others gave you, but deep down, you were not afraid.
The creature tilted it's huge head, and it was as if it's eyes saddened. You got up and walked to the front of the boat, so you'd be closer to it. Bofur turned to you.
"I don't think that's a wise idea, lass-" The dragon let out a huff, and you softly pushed Bofur behind you.
"What are you doing here? Where did you came from?" You carefully said. The dragon growled out something, but then turned to Lonely Mountain. You guessed it probably was the direction, where did it came from.
"Are you going to...hurt us?" You whispered. The dragon shook it's head, firmly.
"Alright, um...why are you here?" The dragon's eyes gave you a little stern, but mostly relieved and flustrated look, and then they shifted to Fili and Kili.
"Thorin would be worried about them too," you though aloud, before you could stop it. The dragon huffed, and let out a groan, but his eyes seemed to light up.
"Thorin?" The dragon nodded his head. You looked back, to see if it was truth. There was no way this would be happening.
Kili was pale, as well as Fili. Tilda and Sigrid were eyeing the dragon - Thorin, and the rest of the Company seemed like they were about to faint.
Well, not really. They seemed to be just paler than usual. A lot paler.
"Thorin, you are-you are a dragon...but how?" You stared at him. He looked around, until he pointed towards simple golden necklace he gave you as a courting gift.
"Gold...D-do you mean the...the sickness?" You looked up.
Thorin simply nodded.
When you got safely to Erebor, you noticed the rest of the Company rushing towards you.
"Thank Mahal, you are alive!" Someone said.
"Did you see the dragon?" You nodded.
"Well, yeah. He's not dangerous." You replied in firm voice.
"Lassie, every dragon is dangerous," Balin said, as Oin looked over your injury again.
"This one is not, because...well, the 'dragon sickness'," you quoted,
"The dragon sickness is not really about obsession over gold. It transforms that person into a dragon, who is obsessed with gold," you said, as you looked over your shoulder. You wasn't sure where exactly Thorin was, at the moment.
"I understand, but why would you say that, lassie? We still haven't found Thorin yet," Dwalin looked at you. Before you could answer, small epcheeew made an echo in the hall, and a piece of the wall was covered with frost. You giggled.
"How did you do that?" Thorin dig his eyes into you, as if saying 'Don't ask, please,', and jumped up on your shoulder.
"Well, he found us." You muttered. Everyone stared at the dragon-Thorin in silence for a while.
As the evening approached and most of the Company went to sleep, Thorin, in his regular size, you guessed, was carefully walking on the piles of gold, and you just sat there. You sat there, because you could not sleep, and so that Thorin would not be lonely.
You watched Thorin, as he was walking around the room, in the endless river of gold.
"You know, maybe it's better you still have clear mind, Thorin," you said. Thorin turned to you and set his gaze on you, as if asked you to continue. And so, you did.
"I won't lie, I do not know how to break this...spell, or whatever it is," you said, and Thorin looked away, huffing.
"But at least you are alive, and have clear mind," He looked back at you, and his eyes seemed to soften a little. You got up.
"Well, look, if you'd like to...I got an idea," you offered. Thorin curiously looked at you.
"We could go out, neither of us can sleep anyways," Y/N said, and Thorin looked around.
"Well, you can change into the...more petite form," you said. Thorin huffed out.
I'm not a bird or a cat.
Y/N blinked. Did she just heard Thorin's voice in her head?
It was probably nothing.
"Let's get outside."
As they seated outside, on the top of the Mountain, her eyes were set on the starry sky.
Thorin's eyes slid over the starry sky, then down at Y/N. The breeze brushed her hair in a gentle, delicate motion.
He was glad he has Y/N as his One.
He suddenly felt the urge to fly, which he tried to deny, but then he flew up, and took Y/N with him.
You couldn't even scream at first, but then you felt as if you were falling down - when all of sudden, you fell on something firm, but warm.
You opened your eyes, slowly at first, but then you realized what happened.
Slowly, you looked over the edge of Thorin's dragon body, and your eyes widened.
You flew high, and though you couldn't see a lot, due to the darkness, you recognized some lights. But the real beauty started, when you looked up.
The stars seemed to be close, as if you would just reach up your arm, you would be able to touch them.
The clouds felt soft, but cold and wet. You closed your eyes, and let that feeling to go through your whole body, as Thorin flew through one of the clouds.
When you opened your eyes, you realized the clouds moved away, and so the moon was illuminating the landscape underneath you. You looked down, and watched the scenery in awe.
You had no idea how much time has passed, but honestly, you didn't cared. You felt safe with Thorin, even if he was locked up in the body of dragon.
When the sun started raising, Thorin flew down to the top of the Mountain again. You could barely keep your eyes open.
That was amazing, you thought. You felt like you heard Thorin's soft chuckle in your head.
Indeed, Amrâlime.
Y/N didn't had much time to think about it, before she fell asleep with the sounds of birds' song, lullying her and sending her to the land of dreams.
When she woken up, she realized one thing: warmth. Y/N looked around, and realized that the warmth was coming from Thorin's body, who was protectively lying around her, inside of some room. He seemed to be soundly asleep.
As she moved, a huff escaped Thorin, and Y/N quickly looked back, to see what happened.
You woke me, she heard in her head.
Sorry, I just need to go to-
Before you could finish your thought, he let you go. You felt the shivers running down your body. Well, it's a mountain. It's not like it would be exactly warm here.
When you came back, you sat down, across Thorin, and he set his eyes on you. You started thinking about what was happening.
You can hear me, you thought, and he nodded.
So I, he replied.
But neither of us could do that before, right? You furrowed your brows, and Thorin shook his head.
Is this is permanent? You thought quicker than you could stop it. Thorin's gaze coldened and hardened, and you could feel the confusion, disgust, hurt and sadness.
I'm sorry Thorin, I-
Keep your words.
No, Thorin, listen to me, I'm sorry, it's just- You quickly jumped up, but he was on his way out.
Who from dwarves would want their king to be a dragon? He snapped. At this point, you runned behind him, trying to stop him from flying away.
"THORIN NO, COME BACK-" you yelled out, but it was far too late. Thorin was quickly disappearing on the horizone, and you cried out.
The dragons in Middle-Earth never had a good reputation. You knew someone would try to hurt him, or kill him, eventually.
You sank down on your knees, and started sobbing.
You felt his pain as your own, and he felt yours.
Who from the dwarves would want their king to be a dragon? Thorin thought, as he flew up on the sky. He knew he was right. He felt shame. He was a Durin. But now, he was a dragon, one of the creatures he hated.
You are not the dragon, Thorin. You are good. You are still Thorin we all know.
He let out a royar. He was in this body of a dragon, and he hated every second of it, and he hated himself.
You looked over the tent, and sipped on your tea. It felt wrong and weird, but you didn't exactly complained either.
Thranduil and Bard discussed something, and you wished Thorin would be there with you.
They aren't that bad, Thorin. Nothing.
You told me that Erebor is going to be pulsing with life, again. I know you hate the body you are locked in right now, but we will find a way to turn you into dwarf form again, Thorin. Please, return here.
No answer. Just silence.
You sighed. You felt Thorin was alive - you just knew, so you were not so worried, but still. Bilbo placed his hand on your shoulder.
"He will come back, I'm sure of it. You know Thorin," he muttered, and you nodded. Thorin was really stubborn, even for a dwarf, and once he thought of something, there was almost no chance in convincing him otherwise.
The rest of Company woke up as they heard your screaming. They found you, and took inside of the Mountain, to give you blankets and tea. Then Bilbo came, that Gandalf was there, to warn you about another dragon. You talked for a while, and eventually, you told him what happened to Thorin, and you needed a medication, but he flew away, and since then, he didn't came back.
Bard and Thranduil weren't really fond of Thorin, but because it was you, who was Thorin's One (and Thorin was the rightful king of Erebor, though Thranduil, especially, didn't liked that idea much), they decided to help to you find a way to heal Thorin's sickness.
"I think Smaug got mad, and the sickness consumed him entirely. Thorin actually had clear mind, it's just...his body changed," you muttered. Even Radagast was there.
"Well, maybe...maybe it's not really a sickness," someone piped up. You looked around.
Who said that? You thought.
"Maybe-maybe it's just a spell!" Radagast said and looked excitely around.
"You have a bond between you two," Radagast told you, and you nodded.
"Are you suggesting, that the spell could be broken by...something?" Bilbo looked around for someone to help him finish up his question.
"Well, Thorin is not answering me, but he is alive, somewhere. I think he maybe...he thinks the dwarves wouldn't accept their king, even if he is in the body of a dragon," you said.
"Orcs! Orcs are everywhere!" Elvish soldier runned inside the tent.
"How many?" Thranduil's gaze hardened.
"A lot of them, I've never seen more in my whole life," The soldier answered.
"Azog," you whispered. You realized what that could mean - Azog came here for Thorin.
"We all need to fight together, there is no point nor time for arguing," Gandalf said, and you got up.
"No, you will stay here, lassie. If he finds out Thorin is not there, you will be right next," Bard said. You frowned.
"I won't run from a fight." You gazed at him, but he was out already, along with most of others, to prepare for the battle.
I won't risk anyone I love to be killed, you thought, and went to find some armour.
Thorin felt all those emotions going on - worry, fear, anger, loyalty, and more worry. Something in him was pushing him, to come back, to go back to you. He felt the danger, and that convinced him, without any other thoughts, he needs to protect you, and his kin.
Durin's folk does not flee from fight.
When he heard the sounds of a battle, he tried to find you. He couldn't hear your thoughts anymore - nor fell the feelings you felt. Only soft waves of emotions.
Is this the end of you, or him, when he could not hear your thoughts anymore?
He hoped not.
It didn't took long, when something inside him made him to look into one place. He noticed Azog, and someone he realized was you, though he had no idea how did he knew that.
He flew lower, and lower, until the only thing he heard was the blood in his ears, the royar he let out, and the royar of his biggest enemy.
Thorin fell to the ground on all fours. It felt as if the battle stopped. As if the time stopped, whe whole world paused. He looked up at you, kneeling down and covering your head.
You looked up, as you heard the royar. Thorin! You thought. You felt relief he was okay, and alive.
"Don't shoot!" You heard Thranduil to yell out to his soldiers when they spot Thorin, and you felt thankful to the Elven King.
Azog thought you were Thorin, until the helmet fell down, and disgusting smirk made it's way over his face. You losed strength, you were tired, and wounded - he managed to make you some cuts, over your shoulders and cheek, and you guessed one your arm was not fully okay. He prepared to kill you, but the royar was coming closer, along with the huge shadow. You covered your head and ears and fell on your knees, to protect your body.
The royar Azog let out shook you, but when you heard the silence after, you felt relieved.
The huff close to you made you feel lot safer. You looked up, and you knew your face light up.
"Thorin," you whispered and cried out. You stood up and hugged him.
"Don't go away like this, ever," you whispered, as tears rolled down your cheeks. Then, you felt some movement, but the warmth was still the same, and you thought Thorin was just moving around.
"I won't ever leave your side again, I promise, my One," His smooth voice made way to your ear, and then, you felt his lips pressed against yours. You ran your hands across his back, and felt the tunic he had on, just as he changed into the dragon form.
He rested one of his palms on your cheek, and when you parted, he rested his forehead against yours, while gazing deeply into your eyes by his deep blue orbs.
"Thank you for coming back," you whispered.
"I would never let anyone hurt you," he muttered, and pulled you back for another kiss, as the soft snowflakes danced in your hair, with the breeze.
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Hello Internet, welcome to GAME THEORY, where instead of putting a joke here I want to ask you a question. It's time to talk UNDERTALE.
Now I don't think I've ever gotten this many requests to cover a theory, (no requests times no requests is still no requests.) Anyway, across my tumblr dashboard, NO ONE has asked for this. And honestly, I'm disappointed. True loyal theorists will know that Undertale is my favorite game of all time.
Undertale is a game where every character, from goat mom to grind fodder has a sympathetic design and a unique personality, motivations, goals, fears. Whether you're saving or slaughtering them, the game makes you feel something every time you enter an encounter. But to me, one character stood out amongst all the rest. SANS. A skeleton named after the font, Comic Sans. ANYWAYS, Sans is, well, there's a lot of mystery around this guy. And before we get into it, let me put up a very special spoiler warning: UNDERTALE is a game best experienced blind. So if you haven't played it, pause your reading of this and come back after you've finished. I PROMISE YOU, I PROMISE you won't regret it. Alright, so everyone out of the pool and ready for the adult swim? Good. Because I'm feeling pretty determined to get to the bottom of Sans' mystery. So just to recap for those of you who haven't played the game and ignored the SPOILER WARNING, or just need a refresher, Sans is one of the two skeletal brothers who appears in the game. His partner is Papyrus, a loud, goofy trap lover also named after a font. But in the world of Undertale their origins are a big question mark. All you really know is what's given to us by a shopkeeper in Snowdin, who explains that Sans and Papyrus, quote, “just showed up one day and asserted themselves.” Weird, right? What's more is that, well, Papyrus is just kinda the goofy sidekick. Sans is much more complex.
He likes fart jokes, but he's also incredibly powerful and deadly serious. Not only is his boss battle the hardest in the game, he's one of the only characters who has knowledge and power over space and time. He can take shortcuts around the world through ridiculous routes. Even is walking through walls. He also acknowledges that he's only one of infinite versions of himself, making self-aware commentary of the various timelines that you've played through in the game. He can even count the number of times he's killed you. He acts like an arbiter of this world, passing out judgements on the player's actions in the game, even explaining the secrets of EXP and LOVE, or EXECUTION POINTS and LEVELS OF VIOLENCE, just to clarify. In short, he just doesn't quite fit in with the rest of the world of monsters. But then, what, or who, is he? Well, the idea that he doesn't belong in the underworld seems to be correct.
The evidence seems to point to the fact that he WAS, in fact, formerly a surface dweller. In the true pacifist ending of the game, as the group looks out onto the horizon, Papyrus asks Sans about the giant ball in the sky. Sans says, quote, “we call that the sun.” This is important because A, the usage of the word WE, and knowledge of the sun shows that Sans has a kinship or knowledge with other humans, and B, that despite he and Papyrus both being skeletons, or, supposedly, brothers, and apparently appeared in underworld at the same time, they CLEARLY have two very different histories. Why would Papyrus not know the name of the sun but Sans would?
We get further clues to Sans' origins as we hear him say multiple times he wants to "go home" or "go back." He says as much during his dinner date scene at the Mettaton hotel. He notices that the player wants to go home and says, quote, "I know the feeling." He then continues, "maybe sometimes it's better to take what's given to you." As though he ended up in the underworld by accident. AND in a genocide run during his boss fight he says, quote, "look, I gave up trying to go back a long time ago." End quote. And before you say he means going back to the surface world, that's clearly not the full story. His very next line of dialogue is, "and getting to the surface doesn't really appeal anymore either." Key word here is “EITHER.” Yes, he seems to hail from the surface and wants to go back, but based on his dialogue he no longer considers it his home. It's as though the surface world he once knew is gone, as though he's from a different time. It's pretty intriguing. So we're left with a being that appeared out of nowhere, presumably from being from the human surface, but from a different time period, who seemingly has the power to teleport. That's a lot of questions and not a lot of answers.
But here's where things get REALLY interesting. Sans has a hidden workshop that takes a fair amount of searching to find. You could say it takes a lot of DETERMINATION to unlock. Anyways, obligatory determination references aside, as you start to look for this easter egg Sans gives you a key to his room and says "it's time you learn the truth." After some searching you find the workshop which contains items that leave even more questions. A photo album featuring Sans and a bunch of smiling people you don't recognize, a badge, blueprints with illegible handwriting, and a broken machine hidden behind a curtain. In the latest update, one more detail was added. A hand-drawn picture of 3 smiling faces with the words “don't forget.”
So, what does it all mean? Well a lot of Undertale theorists have been linking these details to a feature to a character named W.D Gaster. A ghostly character who never truly appears in the game. Honestly, covering him is a theory all unto itself, and probably one best saved for another day. Even still, none of the Gaster theories I've seen have been able to explain all the details. In particular, the photo album, and the badge. And that's what kept nagging me as I researched Undertale. A badge? That one in particular really stuck out to me. Why would such an oddly specific item to be hidden in the huge easter egg of a room? Something that supposedly reveals the truth about Sans? Badges just aren't important in Undertale. Then it hit me. What if this badge isn't from Undertale? What if this badge is from a completely different series? And was, in fact, the most important badge in the history of gaming? One of the Iskall patreon badges.
Now, for those of you wondering what I'm talking about, the Iskall Patreon Badges are a pivotal item from Iskall’s patreon. You know, the one on Hermitcraft. Anyway, the Iskall Patreon Badges are a really important part of Iskall’s character. So I asked myself; what if the badge in Sans' drawer was ONE OF THOSE EXACT badges? Well first off, it made Undertale connected to my favorite youtuber, thereby making it even COOLER, but that's still a pretty big logical leap. I needed more. Let me tell you, as I started looking, more and more pieces started to fit into place.
In Hermitcraft Season 6, there are three Architechs. (This was before Stress joined in season 7.) These 3 were Iskall, Grian and MumboJumbo. And what does Sans happen to have in his other drawer? A photo album with pictures of Sans with people you don't recognize. Of course you don't know them, they're not characters present in Undertale. And note the word that's used here, PEOPLE you don't recognize. Not underworld monsters. So that's 2 items oddly linked to the Hermitcraft series.
But then, how do the blueprints and broken machine fit in? Well, in the final stretch of Hermitcraft, Iskall is the only one who hasn’t died since the Demise game, so he sells his own body to the highest bidder. Except, it comes with a cost. Everyone is poor. As a result, and with the help of ImpulseSV, the Architechs (minus Mumbo,) are forced to finally kill Iskall, ending his streak since the beginning of demise. I watched this episode in 2020 and I'm not ashamed to admit that when I first saw this scene, I cried. It's DEVASTATING.
Iskall says goodbye to his friends, his co-workers, this character you've grown to love and care about is suddenly promising to sacrifice his life. For all he knows, there is no possibility of him being able to come back after his Demise. It's this incredibly dark departure in the final moments of what was otherwise a fun, quirky, and colorful Season 6.
So what does all of this have to do with Undertale? A LOT, actually. But the first thing you need to know is that the hermits are known for their, let's say, unique written linguistic style.
That would explain the illegible handwriting on the blueprints. And the machine? I think a broken infinity portal is behind that curtain. Now that may seem like a stretch, but it actually explains a lot.
If Sans wound up in Undertale via whacky infinity portal hyjinx, it could provide a reason for why he's a skeleton. He used the machine as organic matter and suffered the consequences. Not killing him, but turning at least a part of him into a pile of bones. That could also explain why Sans has given up hope for going home. Remember the infinity portal is a time machine. By being in the underworld, he's not only in a different place, but based on how he talks, he's also in a different time, with no hope of travelling back to the time he came from. This could theoretically happen. It turned Scar into a wizard and completely disintegrated Welsknight, so the rules are… Flimsy at best.
But the crossovers between Hermitcraft and Undertale continue. In Grian’s episode, (EDIT IN TIMESTAMP) he mentions he’s amazed that Iskall only escaped his demise with a lost arm. He says Iskall had “a lot of determination to not die for real,” and that he’s going to continue to study this. Seems awfully similar to the same experiments happening in Undertale around the trait of determination, no? Especially since so much has shown that Sans was a key player in those experiments.
But I'm sure you also want physical evidence right? Well don't worry, because I have plenty. Take a look at Iskall and Sans side by side. Iskall’s left eye is replaced with a diamond loupe. Sans’ left eye glows blue when he’s mad. Both have extremely chill yet are known for their jokes and, dare I say, laugh.
In short, we have some incredibly strong proof that the Hermitcraft Cinematic Universe, (HCU) is somehow connected to the Undertale world, which brings us back to our initial question, WHO IS SANS?
Well, what if we took it one final step and said that Sans happened to be Iskall from Hermitcraft? Sent through the Infinity Portal at the end of season 6 to go to Season 7, carrying an Iskall Patreon Badge and his photo album. Not only do all the items in the workshop suddenly fit, but so does Sans’ behavior.
Remember, Sans can seemingly travel extremely quickly. And Iskall just happens to have an elytra, a device that allows people to travel hundreds of metres extremely quickly. This even explains why Sans bleeds when you finally hit him. He is, or at least, WAS, a human.
Oh and finally, Sans shares two out of five letters with the name Iskall. That's just a fun one. I thought it was worth mentioning.
But if there was any doubt, we have to look no further than the creator's previous work. Toby Fox, the man behind Undertale is actually DocM77, the creator of every hermit (besides Scar.) Now, if Toby Fox, the creator of Undertale, is also DocM77, creator of Iskall, we know they will most definitely share a universe. Which brings us back to Undertale. 2 faces, with “don't forget” written on it? It's Iskall, trying to remember his 2 friends. In short, Undertale is a continuation of Toby’s version of Hermitcraft Season 6, with Iskall never being able to get home, adopting the name Sans. The pieces all just seem to fit. Now all we need is an appearance from Ethoslab and we’ve got ourselves a true sequel.
But hey, that's just a theory. A GAME THEORY! THANKS FOR WATCHING!
#hcraft#hermitcraftheadcanons#iskall85#iskall#TheScience!#posted 11.05.20#long post#please note this is literally a copy paste of the actual script#with some changes#but yeah actual cred to Matt on this one
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What do you think of this video? /watch?v=JNu4xU9qOEM I mean, I think it's safe to assume you'll disagree because he's a Trump supporter and you aren't, but I'd just like to hear your thoughts on the points that he made, like for example when Obama banned immigrants from Iraq for 6 months in 2011 and no one complained.
.... I started watching this and RIGHT AS I WAS this post shows up on my dash. and like it addresses 90% of the stuff this guy is saying, never mind that obama’s list of countries that trump now banned entrance for never turned into, like, NOT ALLOWING *MOST OF THEM IN* as that post explains. ha. ha. ha.
(also I wish people from that side didn’t bring lybia up as OMG OBAMA WENT TO WAR AND HILLARY WAS THE ONE BEHIND IT - they attacked lybia because if I recall correctly MOST PEOPLE WHO HAD INTERESTS IN GHEDDAFI BITING IT INCLUDING SOME LYBIANS were making it understood that helping out would have been appreciated, and given that it seemed like the arabian spring and whatever was going to be A Thing TM they decided it was a good move which completely fucking backfired but it wasn’t all on... obama and clinton, gdi. I mean, US imperialism and democracy exports aren’t my fave thing ever but let’s be fair here the blame here is to be shared by a bunch of people. nvm that boats of migrants going down in the sea has been a problem long before then but lol who ever gave a shit until pictures of dead children washing up on shores went viral? surely not this dude or anyone else except us and the greeks.)
also jesus this guy’s tone is grating on my nerves like sound a bit less gloating man
‘europe hasn’t welcomed in thousands of jihadists’ this guy is a fucking moron MOST PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WERE JIHADISTS IN EUROPE AND COMMITTED ACTUAL TERRORIST ATTACKS WERE NOT REFUGEES THEY WERE SECOND GENERATION IMMIGRANTS THAT GOT RECRUITED AND BRAINWASHED BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY’RE A PARTICULARLY WEAK SUBJECT obv there has been also attacks from some refugees but most of them ALREADY LIVED HERE AND THE FRENCH ONES WERE BORN IN FRANCE GOOD FUCKING GRIEF
also his problems with sadiq khan are compeltely fucking ridiculous when he said we’ll have to live with terrorism it’s BECAUSE WE HAVE TERRORISM IN OUR CONTINENT NOW AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT AND LIVE WITH IT IN THE SENSE BEING ON ALERT GDI
trudeau article ‘according to UNNAMED SOURCES QUOTED BY CBC’ idek if it’s a decided thing or no but then he complains about media manipulation?
the assassination person is an idiot since they might be arrested for tweeting that so he has a point there
‘then consider adding more countries to the list’ jesus fucking christ I thought the bush jr era spawning the pseudo-left was bad but the right wing spawn by the bush jr era is even worse what the fuck sure solve your problems banning ppl WHEN YOUR COUNTRY IS BUILT ON IMMIGRATION AND YOU FUCKED THINGS OVER FOR THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE
21% of the population with a favorable view of ISIS is ABOUT THE ENTIRE POPULATION NOT THE REFUGEES ONLY WHA T THE FUUUUCKKKKKKKK
SURE THING HEY 3/4THS OF SYRIA’S POPULATION ARE DEAD OR REFUGEES BUT LET’S JUST LEAVE THEM TO DIE BECAUSE THEY MIGHTSUPPORT ISIS AND THAT 21% MIGHT NOT INCLUDE ACTUAL ISIS PPL whatever
also ‘islamic countries that ban israeli’ yeah but PLACES THAT DON’T HAVE STATE/CHURCH SEPARATION SAME AS YOU... never mind that israel isn’t even recognized by a bunch of states for reasons, but doesn’t mean that you can turn people out just bc you can
that said this guy is an idiot tho he does have a few points, and you know why he has a few points?
bc people in the american left from what I see CANNOT FUCKING RECOGNIZE THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT YOUR POLITICIANS’ FLAW. obama’s administration wasn’t all roses and flowers (tho for the US it was more than trump and the republicans want you to believe) and I haven’t seen many people around here talking about the worse aspects, so this guy now can go around and say he was just as bad or smth and twisting the facts and what are you gonna tell you if you most probably didn’t know because god forbid you vote for someone knowing the entire list of stuff they did while understanding that politicians can do both good and bad things and no one who gets into politics get out of it with clean hands?
also re the iraq thing: I refer to article above. never mind that I went looking into it in deeper just in case and OBAMA NEVER BANNED ANYONE, the screening process was made more complicated and the flow was slowed bc two iraqi terrorists were arrested in kentucky or smth and the congress wanted obama’s head or smth from what it seems from that article, so they revised the procedure and the processing SLOWED DOWN a lot and for six months not many people got in but it still never was a ban. people still came in even if it was in smaller numbers.
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media manipulation my ass. jfc he’s nowhere near as honest as he likes to make people think but hey, it’s just the left manipulating the facts or alt facts! yeah, okay, nope. also no one complained because there wasn’t a ban and it wasn’t an executive order freezing a bunch of people maybe?
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