#and also matpat can't forgive him

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not trying to sound rude or aggressive or anything i swear, but what exactly Is it abt like. eclipse and ruin in general that you have critiques of? i'm still trying to figure out exactly what i think of it myself - it wasn't ANYTHING like what i was expecting, and to be perfectly honest i was also one of the Book Doubters(trademark pending) so that was a huge culture shock to me as well. idk i go in-between being really impressed and really liking it, to being salty that it wasn't what I think a good chunk of ppl including myself were expecting? looks like there's gonna be more down the line as far as this SB storyline goes so i'm curious and cautiously optimistic. i'm not totally sold on the mimic yet but thats probably bc I haven't been reading the tales books. guess i should start now lmao

i should make it clear that i actually haven't finished ruin yet, which is why i've been holding back on talking about it -- i'm up to bonnie bowl! so i'll refrain from commenting on that, except to say that the gameplay is a massive improvement from sb and only has more minor design flaws vs the base game's... fundamentally broken, lmao. they listened to criticism, refined their ideas and executed them with the resources available, and they did it well! i have mostly positive things to say on that front, which is nice. :)

eclipse is harder to talk about because... like, to give you an idea of how badly it effected me: it pissed me off so bad i started dissociating for the rest of the night, gave me stress stomach-aches when I refused to stop playing and then woke me up at 6am this morning nauseous and in pain. and that's not me being a wimp, that's me experiencing somatization, which is a real thing that i struggle with a lot, so hopefully you can understand why I'm not exactly keen to talk about this? especially when literally every time i even try to someone gets mad at me for breathing. please keep this in mind as i go on to say: eclipse is ableist as fuck and completely inexcusable.

as presented within ruin's visit to the daycare, the dca is left in a state of disrepair after the earthquake and subsequent abandonment left the pizzaplex to fend for itself. they're trapped between their two personalities, with both of them insisting that they are the one who knows what they should do; sun wants to be a good boy and do arts and crafts and whatever, and moon wants to send everyone to bed, blah blah you know the drill. as you complete the segment sun and moon regularly argue with each other, with sun holding the upset moon back from attacking cassie as she reactivates the generators, turning the lights on and stunning moon long enough for her to whack him with the faz-wrench, forcing a system reboot... and he's immediately reborn as eclipse, a lovely and kind figure with no memories of anything that happened who gently escorts you out and wishes you well. he's fixed now, you see! you did it! you got rid of his evil split personality, you've made him normal again, and without the aberration that is plurality he has not a cruel bone in his body!

the implications of this are incredibly fucking obvious and deeply deeply upsetting, and why i'm gonna point-blank say i'm not entertaining further discourse over whether this is reaaaally ableist or if they reaaaaally meant for them to read as a system or... nope, it's done, we're not fucking going there. it doesn't matter what they intended -- what they intended is pretty obvious, actually; they've decided to tackle a subject they're incredibly ill-equipped to handle, and the result is a character -- descended from the visual language and cultural canon of tales like split and psycho -- whose arc concludes with the reveal that it was being a system that made them violent. and the boss fight was dumb and bad and ignored all the previously-explained mechanics of this character to do this. it is aggressively stupid fanservice that turns what was once simply "poor taste walking the line of good faith" into "actual offensive caricature with zero room for doubt", and the only thing more despair-inducing than this twist is the community of people gleefully eating it up as their yummy angst fuel for their ultimate comfort character. and i shouldn't be surprised, considering it's coming from the "how dare you ask me to examine why i find it scary when the dca experiences altered identity states" crowd, but i am, unfortunately, an idealist doomed to be let down by normies. huzzah.

as for the mimic: I'm perfectly fine with afton getting laid to rest (he deserves it!), I'm not one of those guys, but in its current iteration (and from my understanding of it) it suffers immensely from having literally zero reason to be doing any of this shit and being yet another rejection of the supernatural in favour of sci-fi bullshit. because it's from the novels and the novels are allergic to ghosts. and having your entire story drip-fed in mediocre spin-off novels filled with blatant fetish content marketed to naive twelvies is so obviously bad storytelling that i don't even think i need to get into the piss-poor prose and legitimately cruel messages to explain why i hate that one

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As much as I like matpat I am dreading when he plays ruin because this is just going to fuel his 'gregory is evil' stich which I HATE.

Like, maybe stop demonizing this 9 year old. I get it, he has committed many crimes, as he should, and destroyed the glamrocks, but they can be FIXED. THEY ARE ROBOTS. THEY CAN BE PUT TOGETHER AGAIN AND ARE EVEN STILL FUNCTIONAL EVEN AFTER BEING SHATTERED.

You know who can't be fixed if he loses an arm or an eye? GREGORY (because he isn't a robot because FUCK THAT) like???

He is a homeless kid, of course he's going to be a brutal little shit and prioritizes survival against morals, he is on the fucking streets, and the animatronics have been trying to kill him for an entire night, making him run all across the PizzaPlex. You know how fucking big that place is!?

Also, him betraying Cassie makes zero sense for multiple reasons,

1: He went through fucking hell for Freddy and he only knew him for 6 hours, like. He was willing to steal a car and live with him on the road in one ending, tries to save him in the Afton ending, carries his head around, and is shown to cry when he's disassembled, something he is only seen to do in the Bad Ending or when Freddy is ok.

HE LITERALLY COMMITS MANSLAUGHTER IN ONE ENDING FOR HIS ROBOT-DAD FOR FUCKS SAKE.

Even when Freddy is possessed by Peepaw William, instead of trying to dismantle him, he tries to save him instead, when if it was any other animatronic he wouldn't have hesitated to destroy them.

Because of what the cutouts in Roxy Raceway tell us, Gregory and Cassie have a close friendship, him being the only one to show up to her birthday and giving her a napkin to clean up her tears. When you see his missing posters, you can see Cassie is crying, and due to him being homeless, she probably made those posters herself.

(which i am sorely disappointed if no one has made an angsty thing yet c'mon guys)

(I HC them as siblings, but I guess steel wool said fuck you entropy)

So why, if he was willing to do all of that for Freddy, where it was a plot point for all of the endings, would he betray Cassie and try to kill her? It doesn't make sense to me, adding onto my other point:

2: At the end, as everyone predicted, the mimic was pretending to be Gregory this entire time. I don't know why exactly it was luring cassie, probably to kill her or something, but the mimic is a whole other rant because it brings the books explicitly and that means GGY could be canon which. Ugh.

Anyways, it's revealed again to everyone's predictions, that Gregory isn't in the PizzaPlex, which I think is a missed opportunity but that's just me. Cassie escapes the Mimic and 'gregory' says that she awakened it (Afton) and then the elevator falls.

I see people saying that Gregory killed her, but my question is how?

If he isn't anywhere in the PizzaPlex, and can only see the layout, how was he able to cut the elevator wires if not physically present? Did he teleport? Did he magically get into the mainframe and somehow break it down? No.

In conclusion, if there's an installment following this it better not have a villain Gregory or I swear to God steel wool I am able to forgive you for hello neighbor I will NOT forgive you for that

EDIT: just some more things I want to add because MatPat is playing ruin and I am fueled with dread and excitement.

I see people bringing up the books and the whole patient 46 or 42 or 420 or whichever the fuck, which is still do not get, but I don't understand most things in this franchise anyways so.

Even if the mimic and GGY are canon, I still firmly believe that gregory's actions (if he did do them) were manipulated by William/Glitchtrap, with him being mind-controlled like Vanessa. If your going to demonize him for that, then you would have to do the same thing for Vanessa, who has canonically killed enough children to fill out a newspaper as seen in the Bad Ending when it's revealed Gregory is homeless.

(I don't know how or when old willy put his hands on my boy's mind, but It is not because he is a robot because he isn't. the only reason Freddy say's he's broken is because of censorship.

(PS, please stop censoring horror franchises unless it's actually depicts idk SA, talking to you Megan Is Missing. The original line was that gregory cut himself while in the vents. you didn't need to censor that idqbnofq)

Also, for people saying that Gregory is sadistic for destroying and harvesting the animatronics....

I see your point, and I raise that he is a homeless child who probably just got out of mind-control and is now being chased around a massive mall bigger than a 10 Walmart's and Targets put together, trying to escape 3 (4 and 5 if you count sun & moon and a hell of a lot more counting the security bots and damn endos) eight to seven foot hunks of heavy metal and sharp teeth capable of and known for destroying security bots because of Pizza and Jealousy Issues (Roxy and Chica) another that's infamous for destroying fences, his own room and is rumored/thought to have destroyed another robot, and a security guard who, (in yet again deleted voice lines that should have been in the game god damnit steel wool) he saw change into a skipping bunny with a kitchen knife all trying to kill him with only one protector for 6-7 hours straight with barely a moment to breathe.

What do you expect? him to be all "I'm so sorry *cries* let's all be friends!!" NO. in a better world and in a better made game maybe we could have that, but in this world no. Maybe he's a little remorseful, but in the way you kill a bug kind of remorseful.

Also, again, homeless children who probably had to raise themselves aren't going to be the most morally aware children, of course he's going to worry about his and the one person/robot who took care of him in a while above the ones who are attempting to murder him.

[gooperts-gunk]

ok yeah so we all have our daydream delusions of who we want to join the server and be part of the federation, right??? mine even include people i don't know but i hear people wanting so im like ok... i will conjure an interpretation of this person for my federation member daydreams based on what i've seen on twitter dot com... that being said here are my delusions but i dial back the detail as to not get embarrassing about how much i daydream

so first i rainbow color-coded them based on the 8 timer room doors, royg CYAN biv PINK right? but at the same time i wasn't sure how accurate my color placings were of some people i wanted so instead my current interpretations are not color-constrained and look like THIS

head scientist, with the most power - tinakitten - she deserves it, i want her to have an important federation role IMMEDIATELY upon joining, and considering that she's possibly the carrot in ice hint... LET'S GOOOO, yes she must be evil for my visions to come to fruition, my interpretations of her are based on her conflict with c!quackity back in the dsmp. she has gone down a dark road..... i forgive her though LUL

portal controller - rtgame - he just signed a contract he doesn't care THAT much about the federation, YOU KNOW HE'D BE SO GOOD ON A RP SMP, btw his smpearth self is canon here mr galaxy man portalled in that's how he got his job, they snatched him up immediately

caretaker, census bureau manager - ihascupquake - she raises and monitors the cucuruchos and the workers, and she raised jaiden, BTW NO ONE HAS BROUGHT UP THE CONCEPT OF QUAKE ON THE SERVER AND I HATE YOU ALL FOR THAT SHE'D BE PERFECT!!!!!! JAIDEN WOULD BE HER DAUGHTER AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!, i heard she was a witch in a past smp maybe this could come in handy somehow, she has experience with children irl and in minecraft but we don't talk about in minecraft (BABY JOBY!!!!!!!! </3)

ecosystem & agriculture manager - lyamargarita - SHE WOULD BE LOVELY her and her sunflower theme, she'd be perfect for everything plant and living based, i don't know much about her only things based on what i've seen from......

weapons expert - skeppy - HEHEHEHEHAHAHAHAHAH OHOHOHOHO YES YES!!!! UH HUH!!!! HE'S GOT A LOT OF FIGHT IN HIM!!! but here's the kicker HE IS BRAINWASHED TO SOME EXTENT to have RESENTMENT TOWARDS C/Q!BBH so it causes a rift between them that q!bbh will desperately try to patch. he retains trauma from dsmp so he has a dislike towards lava but can't seem to remember WHY either out of brainwashing or out of his brain blocking it out, and he has a strong preference to ice because of it. he finds the cold comforting. hope ur heart broke just then.

+ bonus - skeppy jr or simply named junior - the federation's kid that skeppy brought along :) mostly skeppy, lya, and cupquake look after the little buddy. junior was given prosthetic robot arms built into a backpack so they use them to moves around more than their little feets and they use them to play on a gameboy advance :)

those are my delusions i hope you like my vision. other people i have heard of as possibilities and have inserted in are rivers (WHO I THINK GOT TEASED AS THE BOXING GLOVES IMAGE???), aldo, i've also inserted jacksepticeye of course, i've inserted scott the woz out of my own autistic urges, no one wanted him only i did, i've also thought og 'ok what if someone joins as the code and it's matpat', i've also inserted gumiho because gumi has expressed interest, also puffy, also yogscast zoey & rythian because im not over BRC, not ever, also i've inserted my kpop faves but let's not even go there, also brunim because forever is president now and it could happen. :)

so as you can tell i based my picks on english & spanish speakers because of that bit of info we got of more members from pre-existing languages joining :) so much more i could say but brain too jumbled it is very hot where i am so i cannot think as well with all these thoughts!!!! bye bye for now -goopert

[scummynami]

Omg I’d love to read your interpretations as to what kind of person the Greeks gods and goddesses would be in our modern world and society! (As gods still but you know like…. With the internet and planes and everything)

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Disclaimers: I'm bad with coming up titles on the spot. Forgive me.

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I think they'd stay the same though. We still need them and their powers even in our modern society. But I think they'd take up new titles! (We're gonna do this alphabetically because Zeus is always the first. I get that he's the almight powery big Z and all but not today ^ ^ )

So first off, we have Aphrodite.

I know for a FACT that she'd take the title of being the Goddess of Dating Apps or something similar to it. It's famous, it's involved with "finding love" or just the plain ol' hook ups, and people are (ig) into it. Definitely something Aphrodite would want to have control over.

Goddess of Beauty Gurus. Since beauty is one of the things she's been reigning over for many many years, the beauty community is definitely her domain.

Apollo.

God of Pop sounds about right to me. Cause ya know. Music.

If we're taking the whole of modern era (meaning starting from post-World War II to present day), then he'd also be God of the Emos (?) Poetry is an early 1999-2000s emo's best friend. I have a feeling if Americans worshipped the Greek Gods instead of the Catholic church and such, Edgar Allan Poe and other Poets would be on Apollo's temple every day and night.

Ares

God of Scandals. I said it and I can and will say it again. He's a problematic arse bitch whether you like it or not.

Artemis

Honestly, I can't think of anything apart from Goddess of Animal Documentaries. Why is that? I don't know.

Goddess of Vegans. I'm only kidding because that would be so awkward and ironic

Athena

She'd so be the Goddess of Theory Channels. YouTubers like MatPat, Wifies and such, would be few of her many followers.

Goddess of 3D Printers. I don't know why. Maybe it's partially handicrafts? Maybe not... because it's mostly machine and brains? Idk.

Demeter

For some weird reason, she's the Goddess of Veganism. Even though I know for sure that she's no vegan. That woman munches on meat like a viking.

Dionysus

God of Wine Moms. Period.

I would've added the title of God of Drugs because he's literally that. He's a literal addict in the historical times.

Hades

He'd be the same bitch as he was in the past. Except he'd have more insta followers than Zeus.

Hephaestus

I think he'd also be the same? I don't think the modern era would have any effect or would change both Hades and Hephaestus because we still believe in the Underworld and Hephaestus is just literally a personal workman for the Gods up in Olympus.

Hera

She'd add Goddess of Divorce to her bio. Especially when the divorce rates are thriving so much during the pandemic.

Hermes

God of Online Shopping. I can just imagine him delivering parcels like that. And it also makes sense because he was the literal service back in the historical era.

God of Messaging Apps.

Hestia

My girl Hestia here would be the same as Hades and Hephaestus.

Persephone

Goddess of Hay Fever.

Poseidon

I guess he'd be worshipped by the surfers and lifeguards and swimmers alike, but I don't think he'd get a title from just that?

And last, but definitely the least, Zeus.

No influence at all. Unlike his brothers Poseidon and Hades. Because they at least have people believing in them at some point. Poseidon has the water loving people, and Hades has the people who believe in afterlife, underworld etc etc.

Zeus would literally be a little God at this point, but I think he'd still be the King of Gods.

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In Defense of MatPat

This was a long time coming. For those who don't know, MatPat (short for Matthew Patrick) is the creator and host of Game Theory, Film Theory and GTLive respectively. I've been a fan of him since the Five Nights at Freddy's boom back in 2014 and for the past 5 years I've seen people praise and applaud him as well as bash and belittle him. From the infamous "Sans is Ness" theory, to his Overwatch vs Team Fortress 2 video, it feels as though this man can't catch a break. Now, I don't mind if the theory is wrong. A theory by its very nature is an educated guess until there's enough evidence to make it fact or false. That said, is it really necessary to throw him under the bus and call him a fool who doesn't know what he's talking about? So Sans isn't Ness. Big flipping deal. That doesn't make it okay to throw insults to his intelligence. He later admits that he was wrong about that theory just before his Gastet video. Also, what was with the reception to his Overwatch vs Team Fortress 2 video? I don't play the latter game, but the video did make me appreciate how similar it was to Overwatch and made me interested in wanting to check it out. Can't say the same for the comments in which any positive feedback was drowning under a sea of hostility and hatred. For Pete's sake people, they're video games! The point of the video was to compare and contrast two iconic games known for their vibrant characters, creative gameplay and gamer interaction. But nope, most people didn't agree these game had anything in common outside of being first person shooters with multiplayer options. It's moments like these that make me glad I'm not famous because this level of hostility would not be worth creating anything of value. It's especially true this week when MatPat was called out for not crediting the games he plays in his livestreams. He apologized, explained what happened and promised to make improvements. Did that stop people from making look like Nicole Arbour? Of course not! We live in an age were forgiveness is dead in mainstream media and people like me who dare stand up for him are called mindless sheep. Well if forgiving is wrong, I don't want to be right. Matthew Patrick is an honest, humble and charitable man who develops interesting theorys for popular games and movies, helps people think more critically about the media we take for granted and is a genuine role model for aspiring YouTubers. He may not be perfect, but I can name 5 YouTubers right off the bat worst than him: Nicole Arbour, MegaDoopTV, Hollywood God, MisAnthroPony, and Clay Claymore. And there's plenty more where that came from -.-