#and all of the dean and jacks storylines were copies of sams why would they have him do that twice?

[sampilled]

😒😒😒😒 i understand all of the bitter samgirls...

[trials-era-sam]

Would you talk about what you like about Dabb era to spread some positivity?

Sure!! Always down to spread positivity :)

First thing that comes to mind is s13. Honestly, it's one of my favorite post-Kripke seasons (my top three for these is 7, 11, 13 which I know is a wildly unpopular opinion lol). I loved Jack so much he became my favorite character after Sam and Dean, and given the fact that I'm a Sam girl, it's not very surprising imo. So many parallels!!! I'm not gonna elaborate too much on them because the show's already done that (and also I'm bad at meta), but in s13 they managed to have him parallel Sam without having direct copies of his storylines (yes s14 I'm looking at you), and that was really nice. Also, his relationship with Sam was absolutely precious. I started cheering for scenes with the two of them together probably as early as 13x03 and I miss seeing them interact so much. Finally a character who had a more meaningful relationship with Sam than with Dean!!! What a nice change 13 seasons in ;)

Speaking of, and still in s13 although I was glad to see it continue until the last season, Rowena!!! Her character development made me go from "She's back from the dead again?!?!?" to "Oh yay Rowena's here!! :D" And I know it started when she and Sam bonded over their Hell trauma. It's nice that they gave Sam someone who could relate. <3

Also, while bringing Lucifer back was dumb (although that was Carver), it did give us that cave scene in 13x21 which is probably my favorite non-brother scene - brilliant acting and brilliant writing (yes I know I'm praising Berens shhh). As deliciously terrifying as it needed to be.

Not as much of a fan of s14 but Lebanon was beautiful and the short-lived Michael-in-Dean's-head arc gave us so many lovely brother moments <3 Plus, Game Night. Need I say more? ;)

I loved all of the callbacks to early seasons in s15, I liked the intent to explore Sam and Dean as children in s12 and then as "parents" in s13, I thought bringing back the s5 concept of Dean being Michael's vessel was a great idea, Magda was amazing, ScoobyNatural was super fun, our boys looked gorgeous in black leather jackets, Breakdown was a great horror episode that brought me back, Sam shot God, Atomic Monsters broke me in a very good way, *punch* *hug* "why don't you believe in us too?" <3, Sam's God visions were what I lived for, 15x19 ended with the ending I wanted for the show and then the finale was perfect... I could go on, but this has probably been long enough. ;p

[hellagayweird0]

Jay’s Season 14 Episode Chat

Episode 7

(I’m just letting everyone know that I skipped past all Nick scenes so notes will be absent for his stuff.  I’m just so tired of and done with him and his storyline.)

~ Oh Nick came on the screen, time to SKIP

~ CAS IS SUCH A CONCERNED DAD I’M NOT OKAY SOMEONE HEAL OUR CHILD

~ Oh they didn’t give him a new shirt, although he is coughing up blood every two seconds so

~ Wow it’s like a waiting room in this hallway, time to cry

~ I mean, it’s not that complicated.  He’s without his grace and his body is shutting down from the loss of it

~ Ok Dean, Cas isn’t a miracle worker, it’s not like he can just snap his fingers and find out exactly what’s going on

~ JACK DID YOU TRY TO GET UP OR SOMETHING WHAT

~ RABIES

~ Why are they taking him to a hospital, HE’S NOT A NORMAL PATIENT

~ I’m sorry but why does Dean yelling make me feel certain special ways?  I’m not okay with this (jk I’m very okay with it)

~ I love this lady 😂 she’s like “Don’t you fuckin sass me, boy.”

~ HIS NAME IS JACK KLINE WINCHESTER WE’VE BEEN OVER THIS BOYS

~ CAS SPELLING OUT KLINE I’M CRYING HE’S ADORABLE

~ WE HAVE A BIRTHDAY FOR SMALL NOUGAT

~ Dean’s glance at Sam 😂

~ Cas is so literal, has he not learned over the years 😂

~ Dean looking back like “Babe, you aren’t helping.”

~ CAS YOU HAD ONE JOB, WHY WERE YOU NOT HOLDING HIM

(At this point, I had to sit and leave the episode paused for about five minutes because I wasn’t ready to go through emotions and dads being concerned and cute)

~ alright well cut to me sobbing THEY’RE SUCH CONCERNED DADS THE TEARS WON’T STOP SOMEONE HELP

~ The fact that Dean’s come so far with Jack.  He went from “This kid is evil and I’ll murder him without a second thought.” to “Hey we’re right here, Jack.  You’ll be okay, we’ll take care of you.” He’s taking this the hardest out of everyone and you can tell that he really does care about Jack

~ Then WHY. WOULD. YOU. TAKE. HIM. THERE. IN. THE. FIRST. PLACE.??  It’s not like what he is is a surprise to you guys, you knew that they would’ve never seen anything like him.  Why are you now shocked to find out that they can’t do anything?

~ ROWENA QUEEN HELLO YES COME BACK I MISS YOU

~ JACK AND CAS’S TRENCH COAT EXCUSE ME WHILE I CRY

~ Aw she’s concerned for Dean, give me a second to cry

~ JACK NO-

~ “I know people have a lot of strong feelings about my father.” OH MY DEAR YOU HAVEN’T MET THE FANDOM YET, IT’S A WHOLE NEW DEFINITION OF “strong feelings” OVER HERE

~ And you aren’t like him, baby.  You’re being good and I love you

~ Rowena saying “Bollocks.” gives me LIFE

~ MORE WAITING ROOM I CAN’T HANDLE ANY MORE CONCERNED DADS

~ EXCUSE ME DEAN WTF IS GOING ON WITH YOUR VISION, UM MICHAEL HELLO?  YOU IN THERE, BUDDY?

~ More Nick SKIP

~ AWW DEAN BRINGING JACK FOOD *gross sobbing*

~ YOU WILL NEVER, EVER, BE DONE BEING SPECIAL.  YOU ARE FOREVER SPECIAL.  YOU’RE GONNA BE FINE AND SPECIAL FOR THE REST OF YOUR VERY LONG LIFE, YOU AREN’T DYING

~ *cry break*

~ I don’t appreciate this blurry vision thing, what’s going on?  MICHAEL? 😂

~ Jack and Dean road trip LET’S DO THIS

~ Dean letting Jack drive Baby means he really trusts him.  NO ONE, and I mean, NO ONE, gets to drive Baby.  I’m so happy

~ HE’S SO PATIENT WITH SMALL BABY BOY, Dean, your dad is showing and I love it.  HE’S SO PROUD OF HIM

~ Baby looks so good and Jack driving Baby looks so good

~ Jack is copying Dean and my emotions just exploded

~ *ANOTHER CRY BREAK*

~ YES HE IS TAKING THIS HARD, HE’S GOTTEN ATTACHED TO THE KID

~ “Pretty rough.” oh i’m sorry is that what we’re calling ‘threatening to kill’ now?

~ THEY’RE EATING BURGERS TOGETHER

~ DON’T TAKE HIM TO A BAR HE’S AN INFANT 

~ Oh hi Ni- SKIP

~ THEY’RE FISHING (this got to me 1. because it’s fuckin adorable and i love bonding time.  and 2. because Jensen talks about fishing a lot so this made me happy seeing them doing this)

~ oh hi John

~ I. DON’T. LIKE. THIS. DEATH. TALK.

~ JACK STOP MAKING ME CRY YOU’RE TOO SWEET AND PURE

~ You’re only a baby and you’re already so wise I’M PROUD

~ “I’ve had a good life.”  He talks about it like he’s been alive for centuries

~ In this family, we love and support Cas’s new car, but um where did he get it from? 😂

~ well i guess you could say Cas is.....HOT.  I’ll let myself out

~ Cas sass is back, baby!

~ He’s Russian and I instantly adore

~ Oh yeah, they’ve met him alright

~ Um ‘fostering’?  How about adopted?  That’s more fitting

~ AW GABE HI

~ NO I DON’T TRUST “They owe me.” THAT’S GONNA COME UP LATER AT THE WORST TIME OR SOMETHING

~ Welcome back to Ni- INTENSE SKIP (but yeah Nick is a psychopath)

~ “Gimme them glowy eyes, gimme them glowy eyes, gimme them-YEAAAAAH” My commentary, everyone 😂 

~ AWW HE’S SO HAPPY, THEY’RE ALL SO HAPPY

~ how dare you, Dean, don’t blame Rowena

~ I KNEW IT WOULDN’T WORK I KNEW IT IT WAS TOO HAPPY AND TOO SOON AHHHH

~ this guy’s getting high i’m crying 😂

~ angry dad Cas giving me feelings

~ mother fucking Nick and Luci- SKIP SKIP SKIP- wait a second....LUCIFER NO NO NO NO GO AWAY NO LEAVE NO STOP NOOO- NICK YOU BITCH

~ NO NO MY SON WILL BE FINE DON’T YOU DARE SAY HE’S DYING HE ISNT HE’LL GET FIXED SOON AND IT’LL ALL BE GOOD NO CHILDREN ARE DYING

Well, I have to say, this episode made me cry more than any other episode has EVER.  Such an emotional rollercoaster.  I thought last episode was hard, but it doesn’t compare to this.  Not that it was bad, it wasn’t, it’s just that this episode was so much more emotional and intense.  

But it also had that soft element, when Dean and Jack took their little trip together.  That took me on an eyeball waterfall RIDE.  I’m so happy that these two are bonding more and Dean is giving Jack a chance.  You can really tell that he’s attached to Jack.  He likes him, he wants to see him happy and okay.  Dean is such a natural dad, he’s great with kids (when he isn’t offering to take them to bars and giving them beer 😂).

Next, POOR JACK.  My tiny, sweet baby isn’t okay which means I’m not okay.  I really hope they can fix him eventually.  If they can’t, I hope that if they kill him off, they bring him back.  I mean, in order to be a Winchester, you gotta die at least once, right?

Now....let’s discuss Lucifer.  *takes a deep breath*

WHAT THE FU-

I’m actually so angry.  I don’t understand AT ALL why he’s back.  Granted, he isn’t free yet, since he’s in the empty and there isn’t exactly a door that you can just walk out of and into the world.  BUT, he woke up.  Thanks to NICK.  Why is he back?  Why are the writers so set on bringing him back OVER and OVER and OVER again??  Don’t get me wrong, I love him.  He brought the sarcasm and humor to the show while also being evil.  He was great.....for the first few seasons (and for 12 because Jack).  After a while, he just got so repetitive.  It was like there were no other ideas for villains and they needed that bad guy, so they brought this one back.  Writers, WE. DON’T. WANT. HIM. ANYMORE.  He had his time and he needed to leave for good.  He died.  End of story....right?  NO.  Nick still being alive instantly made me suspicious and overall annoyed.  He should be gone, dead, bye.  But now, Lucifer is back because of him.  And I honestly couldn’t be more upset.  If we have to go through one more season with him, I’m flipping a table and throwing it at the writers office.

Can we bring back Michael? 😂 I LOVE AND MISS MICHAEL, I’LL TAKE HIM OVER LUCIFER ANY DAY

[awed-frog]

1-2 SPNs structure is so weird to me, its like watching 2 dif. shows. "motw-verse": two humble hunting brothers, nomads n minimalists who live their car, fighting low-key monsters, everyday heroes set out to save just single person, have a little group of allies like Jody, Donna, Claire, Garth, are shook at the sight of a single demon in a room full of hunters. Myth-Verse: Sam n Dean, the stars of a fast-paced fantasy action epos, legacies of an ancient aristoratic organisation, live in giant

2 bunker filled with valuable item, T-Team for threats of national security, have a group of spn friends like Cas, Crowley, Rowena. Walk into heaven, hell like they own the place. Its nearly 2 parallel verses that share a lot of similarites. That’s why during Motw they act like end of the world threats dont exist, or can go watch sports while Cas is in danger or why Claire (perviously connected to Cas in the Mythverse) now doesnt speak of Cas anymore ever since she moved to the Motwverse. lol

So, first of all I have to say - holy shit, you may be the first person in the history of tumblr to send an ask in two parts in the ‘correct’ order (for anyone out there, anon sent it backwards so they arrived in my inbox as 1&2 and not as it usually happens, 2&1) and that is out of this world and I’m completely speechless.

Also, you make a very good point. I guess this is mostly what some fans are complaining about - because the show they started watching was mostly what you call the ‘motw-verse’, and then it exploded into this weird parallel structure and yes, that was a big change. I only have vague memories of that happening, and it felt organic to me, anyway, because those first seasons actually had a coherent story, so demons and angels - they made sense even if they didn’t show up every week.

As for what’s going down now, it’s hard to disagree with you. It’s annoying when they pretend nothing big is going on, and it’s even more annoying when they justify a random hunt simply with a ‘we’ve got jack on the case and I’ve got cabin fever’, perhaps because we’ve heard it a thousand times before. I remember being particularly annoyed at what was otherwise an excellent episode - The Chitters - because they made such a big deal about giving Cesar and Jesse their happy ending and I kept thinking, You idiots, you morons, Amara will probably deep fry the world next week, do you think she’s gonna make an exception for their cutesy little ranch and their itty bitty horsies? - so, yeah, I know exactly how you’re feeling. On the other hand, I think a common problem for TV shows is what happens when you lose or add a character and how that changes the dynamic of the story, because we’re all creatures of habit and we don’t like anything changing, ever. 

[Exhibit A: this horrendous thing was built in the 1840s, and it copies, of course, ancient Greek architecture - a leap of two millennia - but what is even funnier is that those vertical lines three by three above the columns - the triglyphs - were already completely useless in ancient Greece. When temples were made of wood, those were the ends of the beams which jutted out, and when we started making temples out of stone, our manic craziness took over and we decided they had to look exactly the same, or bloody else? And somehow, this is still what we’re doing - all of us, every day. ‘It’s always been done this way’ - that will be on the Earth’s headstone some day soon.]

Introducing the ‘myth-verse’ gave Supernatural some leeway to play both teams (and I’m in a good mood, so I’m not even going to say anything about that - not a single word) by introducing new characters and bigger stories but at the same time reverting back to Sam and Dean and the Impala and chop, smash, salt and burn for a good half of the season. Someone cynical would say it’s probably just a marketing ploy - for my part, I think they honestly want to make the ‘myth-verse’ work, because it’s interesting af, and what they may be suffering from is a lack of communication between their different writers and writing teams. 

The problem with keeping those two storylines almost completely separate, though, is that at some point the things that don’t make sense become so many they threaten the whole structure. For instance, something I lowkey resented for years is how selfish the Winchesters are being with their stupid Bunker - what about those poor people out there whose parents and siblings are beheaded by ghouls - people like John Winchester, who think they’re crazy for years and years until they find some hunter bar and still, everybody in that bar has to hunt with homemade bullets and Wikipedia and just hope for the best? Hell - they’ve got friends who hunt - how come they never bothered to tell Jody about all that information and all those spells they apparently spend their off time learning and classifying? What about Garth? It’s nice of them to give him the right to live, and yay, but what if somewhere in that Bunker there’s something that could help him get better? Not to mention they never bothered to tell those people about the world ending, or anything. Also, they know FBI agents could be convinced of the truth, because of what happened with Victor, and yet they never even discussed the possibility to make the government aware of what’s really going on. So, I don’t know - part of it is the American frontier spirit, or whatever, and some if it’s just who they are, and now the BMoL are here, some of these points are moot, anyway, but still - the logical development of a show like this is the logical development of any show - at some point, people either die or make friends. You generally don’t spend your life alone. As entertaining as The Big Bang Theory was when they were all single and half desperate, for instance, it wasn’t believable that they would be single forever - and if the show got worse, it wasn’t because they introduced some female characters (the horror!) but because the writing wasn’t up to the task, because that’s where the problem always is: in the writing. So, yes, the normal evolution for Supernatural would have been the same thing that’s happened to every other show - to add more characters and to have them on the show in a consistent and believable way. For instance, their personal issues aside, it’s sad and weird neither Dean nor Sam found themselves a romantic partner of some significance in twelve years, and we know that’s not likely to change until episode -2 before the series finale - because, again the people behind the curtain are trying to have it both ways. 

I don’t know. From what I can see, I have a feeling, as I said, that the problem comes from the writing room. Their choice to have both things - the pilot over and over again and an intricate new show full of new and interesting characters - is a peculiar choice, and perhaps madness, but it could be done? Some of their MoTW episodes have been the best thing ever, even after ten years or so. But I get the sense nobody really understands the epic feel of the story any longer - the grandiosity, the tragedy. I don’t know anything about the showrunners, so I don’t want to accuse anyone, but - yeah. You need to have a certain mindset, and certain vision, to make a story so complicated into something that works both as the daily struggle of two lost orphans who scam credit cards and iron with beer and a timeless tale about Right and Wrong and Destiny and Choice, and if you don’t have it, it just shows.