#and after Flayn'n'Seteth's deaths for Rhea

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Yep, even with only 7 lines, Macuil was lolcalised :(

Teaspoon got this :

It follows the japanese this : ……あの者らは、うぬの仲間か？

He basically asks Seteth if those people are this friends/companions, but I sort of got that "うぬ" is basically an old way to, uh...

...yeah.

Which is kind of understandable in a way, Macuil doesn't like humans and the "world of humans" Seteth and Rhea partake in, so he'd be annoyed at seeing his bro hang out with a bunch of humans (and descendants of the Elites at that!).

Interestingly, JP!Seteth tries to justify his alliance with "his companions" aka those humans, by saying that Rhea cannot help because she is in a "precarious state".

Pat's Seteth just adds this, randomly "Those people are my allies. Oh and btw, Rhea's in deep shit."

Birdie refuses to help because he is disgusted by "the world of humans" and finds the idea of fighting in a war repulsive - but what does he find repulsive, the idea of a war, or fighting with humans?

Note how JP!Seteth expected Macuil's answer, and says it cannot be helped, like, he knows what his bro thinks and accepts that his pov "can't be helped", like no, we're not going to make him change his decision.

Pat's Seteth doesn't have the "can't be helped" portion, he just regrets Macuil's decision and leaves.

It's not that he's disgusted by humans, he faked his death and left after Nemesis was slain because he was sick of war. The war of heroes didn't end with Nemesis slain, it was only when Seiros made peace with the families of the Elites

Given how Macuil wants to kill Claude for being Riegan's descendant, I wouldn't say that the WoH ended, for him, when Rhea made peace with the families of the Elites.

To Macuil, those families are his bitter enemies, even 1k years after Riegan's death.

So imo, while he might not be fond of war - what he's the less fond of are humans and that'd be the main factor behind his refusal to help his bro and niece : Macuil's hatred for humans (descendants of the Elites) is so strong that it makes him refuse to assist his family who are fighting alongside humans.

Jp!Macuil explicitely calls Billy one of his brethrens :) and given his lines with Flayn'n'Seteth, compared to his lines with the "human" cast, he seems... happier/less pissed at seeing Nabateans around him than humans.

Would he have joined the war if only Billy, Seteth and Cethleann asked him? ... I don't know, and we know from his lines with Claude that his relationship with Rhea is "strained" at best, but still, I suppose he could have answered differently.

(tfw he saw Monica once and regretted giving his crest to her ancestor)

Claude was lolcalised a bit though :

JP!Claude calls Macuil by his title, while Pat!Claude just calls him a "thing"...

i'm telling you Pat was trying to warn us about nopes all along

Jp!Claude suggests Macuil was an ally of Rhea, instead of the more mundane "anything to do" but worst offender is the last line; Pat's Claude wonders where he put his book, when Jp!Claude wonders what "sent by the goddess" even means, aka what the thing he heard about truly means.

Is it the same guy who acts based on a letter given to him and decide to start a war against a person, who's revealed to be part of a legend itself? And when the guy learns that Rhea is actually the Immaculate One, you'd guess he'd stop doing what he was doing and reflect on his course of actions, right?

:p

I just noticed something, how Treehouse changed Macuil's character. His line against Seteth is this in English: I will not assist you. I have lived apart from the world of man, which disgusts me so. This war disgusts me also. Whereas the Japanese text is this “...I won't lend you a hand. I retired because I was sick of the human world. War at this point is disgusting.”

It's not that he's disgusted by humans, he faked his death and left after Nemesis was slain because he was sick of war. The war of heroes didn't end with Nemesis slain, it was only when Seiros made peace with the families of the Elites.

And then think about how there's no recruitable character in Houses with his Crest. The only person we know of is Monica, who was killed by the Agarthans to serve as a skinsuit for Kronya. No one in the game uses the Crest of a said who is sick of war.

Also, it's not that he smells the “stench” of Sothis, he senses her power within Byleth in the Japanese.This whole paralogue is about how Claude has begun requiring seeing proof with his own eyes rather than simply acting on his initial impressions and assumptions, seems like the translators failed to realize what his route was really saying.

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I've seen your reblog that art about CF, what do you think was Rhea's relationship with Dimitri during the 5 years gap?

It has been so long since I posted about Rhage!

No... It can't be... There is no retreat for the Knights of Seiros!

Which does not correspond, like not at all, to Rhage's voiced line which more or less goes "King Dimitri there's no retreat for the Knights of Seiros!"

Note Rhage's tone and... well. Typical Rhage here.

Rhea?

ディミトリ王が……！ セイロス騎士団よ、撤退はありません！

When Rhage doesn't seem to pause between "King Dimitri" and the "There is no retreat for the Knights of Seiros" Rhea... pauses. Takes an inspiration. She's not openly mourning him, because she is a commander, and has her own army to lead, and yet, his death is a blow.

Rhage? Without context, you'd think Dimitri asked her to retreat, and she answers "King Dimitri, there is no retreat for the knights of Seiros".

Rhea? Something happened to King Dimitri (most likely something bad) and yet... There is no retreat for her!

Given how Dimitri (and Rufus?) offer her shelter after she was outed as a giant lizard, rather, despite being a giant lizard - I think she was very very grateful.

Once again, when Nemesis is out for her blood because she is a creature, a human, again, agrees to help her.

But unlike Willy, Dimitri already has his own duty, protecting Faerghus, that's why he doesn't take any action when Rhea tries to recover GM, the BESF only fights against the Church's forces, not the combined might of the Church + the Kingdom.

Heck, one can even theorise that the GM attack happens... after the Alliance because of this reason - Rhea saw the Alliance being steamrolled for the grave sin of existing, so she knows the Kingdom is next - maybe because she is there?

Adrestia has no desire to spare people or discuss about steamrolling nations, so if she manages to recover GM it will be one less reason for the BESF to strike the Kingdom... but it fails.

There is the greatest irony of it all - Dimitri, despite being a descendant of Blaiddyd, helps her, when a Hresvelg + a child of her own creation (through Citrus and Jerry) try to kill her.

Dimitri doesn't go through hell, Cornelia is still around but can publicly start shit because Rhea is here, so she's stuck in Arianrhod trying to build 2 Titanus in 5 years. Dimitri still knows Edel's involved in the Tragedy of Duscur, but doesn't run away to terminate her, instead, he stays in the Kingdom and plays on the defensive, even taking Edel's main target with him, Rhea.

Did they both bond of their shared trauma (loved ones being exterminated for... no reason?) and need for revenge? Did Rhea's words + Rufus + Dedue's words managed to make him reconsider running away to kill Edel ?

If he knew, how did Dimitri react when she told him his lance was her big brother's left hand? How Rhea reacted when Dimitri told her he dgaf about her being a lizard, look Sylvain is a philanderer and he is still my treasured friend?

Basically the Lord and the Princess who was ousted from her home by the Red Emperor fight together, each one leading their own armies, in a decisive battle to determine the fate of the world.

Sadly, in this story... the Lord and the Princess die to the Red Emperor and her McGuffin.

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My impression was Nemesis saw Sothis's corpse & decided to do some grave robbing, then made some awesome weapons & decided to try to take over the world with his new shinies, I'm possibly wrong, I still don't know everything about Three Houses. Do people really defend him as misunderstood, I'd be surprised given Nemesis isn't young & attractive. I do admit him being a self made man going from typical FE bandit to threat to the entire World is admirable, albeit evil.

Don’t worry, lore/world-building about FE16 is a mess because the devs themselves confessed they didn’t hire a continuity guy! And I may be completely wrong about some details so :/

Interview bits under the cut because it’s long:

Kusakihara: In that world, originally the race that could change into dragons, the so called citizens of Nabatea, were scattered about Fodlan in the different places/lands as governers (rulers) but, there were the citizens of Agartha who held hatred against the citizens of Nabatea… in other words, Those Who Slither in the Dark wanted to overturn this state of affairs (of the Nabateans as rulers) and as such, they devised schemes. They granted humans the technology to make powerful weapons from the corpses of the citizens of Nabatea, or so was their plan that they enacted, to which they went forward with this plan using the human, Nemesis. As a result, what would happen to humans who gained power… they would want even more power, and find a dragon much stronger to beat in order to collect materials forcefully, in order to make even more powerful weapons… and so that was the cycle that was born. And that was the birth of Fodlan’s Ten Elites. And then, Seiros raised and army and forcefully suppressed Nemesis and the Ten Elites by beating them, and then afterwards, as the victor, Seiros changed history, which led to the current history of the Seiros Church. In other words, “history is at the end of the day the victor’s privilege and nothing else”, is what we fit in. As a result, during the first part of this title, there is a great amount of people speaking lies about history, which results in the books in the library not being able to be believed at all.

From the interview, I understood that some relics were made because mole people hate lizards. Humans using those relics thought it was rad but wanted to powercreep the og relics.

They looked for a stronger dragon to “beat” and “collect materials forcefully” (sweet euphemism!).

In SS, Rhea talks about the “remains” of Sothis Nemesis stole, but in VW she says Sothis was sleeping.

I think Sothis was asleep, immovible - Flayn slept for 1000 years and yet, afaik, her spinal cord was still into her body, or something, she didn’t reconstruct a body of flesh and blood from her mere bones.

Meaning that Sothis’ spinal cord was still inside her body and she still had some fluids to be able to create a crest of Flames.

So Nemesis managed to “beat” a sleeping dragon (she didn’t put up much of a fight) and then partied at Zanado, with the Dudes (who might already had their relics or not).

I wouldn’t call his efforts admirable (especially if he obtained all of that power by deboning a sleeping woman) nor Nemesis a self-made man, given how the mole people were the ones to reveal the secret method to get shiny weapons + turned Sothis’ spinal cord and heart into a weapon.

I don’t think people call him misunderstood, but takes like “well Nabateans ruled over the world so they had to be chopped” coupled with Edel’s main “lizards = inhuman = shouldn’t rule over humans” resulting in “Nemesis did nothing wrong liberating the world from lizards” smell bad, and were still spotted on redshit and/or GF.

Interesting to note that the devs motivated Nemesis’ hunt by greed (more shiny weapons to be the most powerful evah) and not by racism - Mole people knew that “dirty subhumans” might not be a reason sufficient enough to motivate humans to kill Nabateans, but “phat loot”was a better driving force. 

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Not to harp on your post against VAs, since you made it clear it's not an issue of voice actors, but I don't really see the difference between the japanese voice actor and the us one for rhea. For sure, they speak differently and have different tones, but isn't it just the difference in language?

I think @ezralahm made a post about the differences, when writing, of putting something in bold or italicised.

It's kind of the same feeling I get with Rhea's voice acting.

The script is more or less (less) the same, but the emphasis, tone, and emotions?

Rhea in JP likes pepperoni.

Rhea in the lolcalised version LIKES pepperoni.

See the difference?

It starts with a VA presumably being told "rhea doesn't emote rhea just is" and some over zealous interpretation of "church in JRPGS = bad" and you get the "worthless piece of garbage" lines.

The worst exemple is how she reacts when Flayn'n'Seteth die : Leigh!Rhea pulled some amazing voice acting before, when she receives the news from Catherine, but then she's making death threats, still shaken.

Inoue!Rhea? Is more shaken than "making death threats".

I'm glad you got it anon, I don't want to imply Cherami Leigh isn't a good VA or anything of the sort, really. I'm just sad she didn't get a correct voice direction.

Fun (sad) things :

In the lolcalised version, Catherine goes :

"The unit that invaded the monastery has been completely driven away...a bitter disappointment. I fear we can do nothing but retreat for now."

What is a disappointment? The fact they were driven away or the fact they were all killed? Like, are you really going to blame the dead ones for not managing to retake the monastery??

In the JP Version, she goes :

"大修道院近辺に潜入した部隊は、 すべて撃退されて……無念です. 今は、退くしか……。 ご命令を……"

Note the ellipses in the second part, that aren't present in the lolcalised version. By her tone, Catherine is hurt/shaken by the events too, something... lolcalised!Catherine isn't. Also, Google Translate (:'() has Catherine apologise after delivering the news, not going all "it's a bitter disappointment". I'm disappointed when my order doesn't arrive in time, i'm not disappointed when I announce our plan to retake you home failed and we lost many friends and soldiers alike, including your brother and my partner.

Still, to make things lighter, jp!Catherine calls Seteth and Flayn with honorifics.

It's Flayn-sama for you people.

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Eh -

Seliph mainly, at the start of his adventure, fights against the Empire because they are hunting him, and also, because he wants to avenge his father and clear his name.

SS!Billy and the BESF "forgot" the events of White Clouds and Flamey, so we can't compare them to Seliph, because Seliph's reasoning (part of it) is to get revenge/make Arvis pay for what happened in the first gen.

No one is SS gives a fuck about Flamey - instead we just have the cast, legitimately, agreeing to fight against Supreme Leader because she started a war.

The SS cast would imo be closer to a "Camus" type of people who, at one point, accepted the nonsense their leader was doing only to rebel after a certain point, than Seliph who is the direct consequence, and reminds the player, of Arvis' actions and treachery in the first gen.

Also imo I think it's important to note that while Sigurd wasn't the smartest knife from the bunch, all of his actions were "authorised" by his benevolent king, Azmur.

Or at least he tought so.

When Sigurd is effectively framed as a rebel, from Chapter 4 onwards, he takes safety measures - protecting his son and cousin (or whatever Oifey was to him) - but still marches onwards, to clear his and his father's name and save the old guy, but also, take revenge at Langbalt/Reptor for having killed their liege.

Put in other words, even if Siggy is played for a fool and ultimately dies because he trusts people and is the "by text" good knight, who helps a lady who takes him under a wing, even if it means taking part in a succession crisis, and first and foremost, was branded a traitor by his country because he refused to kill a child (who was the Prince of an enemy nation, but was still a child!).

In chapter 5, Siggy still has doubts about Arvis' support, and yet chooses to trust him because he thinks they both want the same thing, to restore peace to Granvalle and stop Langobalt/Reptor's rebellion.

We know how that ends.

Tru Piss Billy becomes a yes man, even if they manage to look away when Flayn'n'Seteth escape, and it's inferred they don't reveal to Supreme Leader anything about Indech.

But they can kill Claude, Dimitri and Rhea herself. Tru Piss Billy cannot take revenge for their father - unlike Siggy - because Supreme Leader is still working with the Agarthans, and somehow, taking Rhea out because she has pointy ears is more important than, hm, revenge for Jeralt, freaking out because of the Feral Ones, and all the events that happened in White Clouds.

If protecting Supreme Leader and Shanan could be seen as similar actions in a, frankly, very superficial reading (tfw Shanan didn't try to kill Midir 15 seconds before that fateful choice) - Sigurd, still tries to do the "right" thing, he will marry Deedee because "love is stronger than superstitious nonsense" (except when it's not!), Siggy will "accidently" invade Agustria to save his friend's sister, and will do his best to spare said friend when their forces will have to clash, Siggy will assist Rhana when her brothers in law will try to kill her to take Silesse's throne.

CF!Billy? Will kill Judith, possibly Claude but definitely Hilda, and Dimitri because... Supreme Leader said so.

If Siggy's most callous actions "you invaded two sovereign lands you idiot!" can be chalked up to, uhh, his desire to help his friends and missing entirely the context, which leaves him at the mercy of more astute players, Billy ?

Just kills because they're asked to.

They're not rushing to save a friend from being seduced when they storm through Derdriu - Supreme Leader said the BESF will flatten the Alliance. Billy is not trying to save a friend from being executed when they're invading Faerghus and killing the BL gang in Tailtean, they do so because Supreme Leader wants to unite the world and asked for every enemy commander's head. Billy isn't trying to clear their name and avenge their liege when they behead Rhea, they do so because Supreme Leader said her path leads to the death of "creatures masquerading as humans" to make a world for humans.

You know, with how Houses was based on FE4… the whole conflict between the game's surface level and the finer details that challenge it can feel like it's asking players to learn from Sigurd.

Think about it, Sigurd trusted future Flame Emperor Arvis because Arvis acted honorable and helpful to him. Sigurd also didn't think too deeply about the politics around him, he just looked at things in a very black and white manner where he could solve problems through the use of force. He might have had good intentions, but those good intentions played right into the hands of those using him for their own gains.

Now look at Byleth and Edelgard, the Flame Emperor. Byleth getting close to Edelgard after she appears vulnerable to him can result in him siding with her over Rhea, who the early game made out as someone we needed to watch out for. However, the game heavily implies that Edelgard is simply trying to sway Byleth to her side, manipulating him like she does so many. It also means ignoring the worldbuilding and story events that conflicted with the idea of Edelgard being a good guy, and going around fighting everyone opposed to her annexing the entire continent. Even if you have good intentions siding with Edelgard, you played into her hands and because of you a villain is going to win the war.

Cipher put Silver Snow alongside the second half of FE4 with it's Black Eagle expansion, making fighting one Flame Emperor comparable to the other. So in that regard, the route split ultimately asks whether the player wants to be a Sigurd and be exploited by the villain, or be a Seliph and save the continent from her and the evil cult.