#also this makes it so obvious that it's not dicaprio's hands in the sketch scene haha
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Jack + Rose - Hands POV
TITANIC (1997) dir. James Cameron
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the-connection · 7 years ago
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It doesn't seem like anyone retains Titanic as a great movie, despite the fact that it prevailed 11 goddamned Oscars. Perhaps it's because we've decided that anything teen girlfriends like is frightful. Or perhaps it's that every course sounds like it was immediately replica and pasted from some other period romance movie. But what if there was something much more daring going on under the surface? What if all of that fanfiction positing that Jack was short for "Jacqueline" is in fact onto the real narrative being told ... or at least the one that James Cameron demanded to tell, but chickened out of at some detail? If you think I'm merely screwing with you, give me the opportunity to move my case.
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Leo Was Cast For A Reason
This is a remote remember for Leo "Grizzled Revenant Frontiersman" DiCaprio, but there's a word the late '9 0s press stopped squandering to describe him. The New York Times referenced his "androgynous good looks." Entertainment Weekly said, "The shockingly androgynous DiCaprio looks just age-old enough to be playing anyone with hormones." The BBC repeats someone saying that Leo "didn't like being so skinny and child-like, almost androgynous." In reality, BuzzFeed's LGBT editor takes it a pace farther than I'd dare, saying, "Leonardo DiCaprio and other androgynous '9 0s heartthrobs examined a lot like the soft butch fag females we'd grow up to date in real life."
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This procreated him a bizarre hand-picked to leader an action fiction( don't forget, the second half of the film is fully of stunts and chases ). Nostalgic induces at the time were George Clooney, Clint Eastwood, or Jack Nicholson, aside from when reputations explicitly had to be teens( like in 1996 's Romeo+ Juliet ). James Cameron had never cast anyone like this before, and he never would again.
It too does no impression for the tale. Jack is written as homeless, world-wise, indifferent to social conventions, and carefree about the future, all of which dres person rugged and unshaven( and perhaps several years older ). But Cameron instead started with a guy famed for clean, soft features and not a indicate of stubble. Plus, you know how hard it is to shave that open when you're on a ship, in steerage, without modern toiletries? Don't take my word for it -- here's what Titanic 's Oscar-nominated makeup team reviews most fares like that should look like :P TAGEND
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Even first-class passengers, dolled up for a formal dinner and no doubt applying private professional barbers, establish are still in facial mane :P TAGEND
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There are even hits in which Jack wears men's drapes that look intentionally out of plaza, like Jack's dallying dress-up :P TAGEND
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Now Note how He Was Shot
First, let's position the obvious: Male romantic leads get shirtless scenes. They precisely do. Male action extends do too, for that are important. And more in Titanic , Leonardo DiCaprio does not. That's even though he'd done shirtless sex representations before, and the movie has no problem otherwise with picturing men's chests.
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Plus, oh yeah, female make Kate Winslet has a whole separate nude situation. Though we are all familiar with movies have more female nudity than male( I'm not investigating why we don't examine Leo's dick ), it's unusually peculiar for the female lead to show breasts but the male conduct not to, especially in a PG-1 3 movie sold to ladies. You can't even say, "That one boobs situation was for the guy! " because that vistum, as well as the film overall, stays in Rose's point of view( retain, the whole narrative is being told by Old Rose ). "Male gaze" doesn't feel right here, even though it's literally a scene of someone gazing at Rose.
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"But they're both naked in that far-famed sex situation in the old-timey car! " you might say. I'm glad you fetched that up. Here's the incident( mildly NSFW, if you're somehow not very well known one of the most famous charity representations in cinema history ):
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They start in the car, with Jack in the front seat and Rose in the back. Rose roughly pulls Jack into the back with her and says, "Put your hands on me." We conspicuously cut away( avoiding the undressing and foreplay ), and when we restore, we get simply a glimpse of Rose's fingers dry with something and then trim to a tight photograph of the two of them ... inexplicably framed to expose as little of Jack's chest as is practicable :P TAGEND
Paramount Pictures Also, she clearly had an orgasm, which wouldn't be discovered by beings for at the least a half-century more.
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The sex scene shortcoming any thrusting or other normal Hollywood shorthand( Cameron films included) for, "this is heterosexual intercourse." All we see is that afterwards, they're both convulsing, their groins weren't lined up, and "its been" the sort of copulation in which birth prevention isn't an issue. And Jack is killed in such a way that if the character had tits that are normally obstruct, they wouldn't be registering -- and they save that enclose the entire time.
So why in the blaze would James Cameron make all of these specific picks? Maybe because he's hinting that Jack is either a woman forced to pass as a subject or a trans gentleman, in civilization that wouldn't be accepting either way? In other statements, because he was( at some time) trying to form a action more interesting movie ? One that would have been progressive as hell in 1997?
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Look Carefully, And There Are Hints Of A Much More Forbidden Romance
A third of the way into the movie, Jack is invited to dine in first class, and endorse this new look and manner requires additional prep. "You're about to go into the snake pit, " urges Kathy Bates's character( as in, the penis realm ?), and she provided assistance. The next time we interpret them, she's finishing putting the night's wardrobe on Jack ...
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... and wow, that was a handy trimmed. We appear to have hop-skip over a 45 -year-old married woman taking a 20 -year-old third-class boytoy to her room, then garmenting him up for her gratification. That would be highly improper, or at the least unusually tricky ... unless you look at it as a woman who figured out Jack's situation, felt, and wanted to help.
Then, the write starts to apply us a series of what seem like little winking suggestions in the dialogue. At dinner, one patron attends Jack and says, "You could nearly pass for a gentleman! " Another later puns, "You don't want to stay out here with the wives , do you? " and throughout everything there is, Kathy Bates hit Jack comforting, conspiratorial examines. On first regard, you take it as someone from "new money" curing Jack navigate a hostile world outside his own class. Go watch it now, and you'll meet a woman sharing a secret.
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As for Jack's background, all we have to go on is what the character tells us. Rose says, "You're crazy, " and Jack acknowledgments, "That's what everybody says, " leaving us to predict why. Jack absconded the Midwest for California and Paris, residence observers will have heard were historically accept of people in Jack's situation( even if that wasn't true-life in the early 1900 s, our screenwriter probably thought it was ).
After dinner in first class, Jack quips, "Time for me to go row with the other slaves." That's a line that doesn't make sense, even if Jack recognizes as male -- life below deck isn't bondage. It's fun. Rose had said Titanic was a slave ship to her , while Jack's life of privation was liberty. But that's because the line was ad-libbed. Jack's actual front from the write was, "Time for my tutor to turn back into a pumpkin, " likening Jack to Cinderella.
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The Movie Keeps( Clumsily) Intimating That Rose Likes Women
When Rose goes through Jack's sketches without dispensation, she feels a bunch of naked maidens there. She responds "Well, well, well! " then delves through for more and smiles when Jack talks of "lots of girls willing to make their robes off." That is not the usual action when opening a guy's folder and determining unexpected nudes, at least not if you're as jumpy as Rose is shown to be earlier in this place. No, it's coyly hinted that Rose likes what she sees, though she has to close the portfolio when passersby almost spot what she's admiring.
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And these aren't the only nudes Rose likes. She owns this :P TAGEND
Paramount Pictures She get realllly into Georgia O'Keeffe illustrations later in life.
James Cameron didn't have the rights to simulate that depicting from Picasso's Rose stage, and so had to pay a fine, but it seems like it was important to him to show that his protagonist liked looking at nude females. Nude sexes, in fact -- lesbian prostitutes, according to rendering. She too owned this next section, a painting by Edgar Degas, who also painted lesbian backgrounds, including "Two Women( Scene From A Brothel) " :P TAGEND
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Then there are all of the other signifiers that, to a person who normally writes act movies, would be "subtle" allusions to her virility. Rose does not think highly of penis( Freud's "ideas about the male reverie with sizing is likely to be particular interest to you, " she tells one carry official she doesn't like ). And take a look at the final background of the movie, which exposes Rose's personal highlightings of life post- Titanic . There's no wedding portrait, though she did wed. We understand one draw with probable pedigree but not the endless photographs of grandchildren that literally every grandparent proudly prevents adjacent. Instead, they show us Rose fishing. Rose winging a plane. Rose journeying a horse.
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You can approximately draw Cameron on situated saying, "Next photo, Rose has a BUZZ cut, promoting WEIGHTS, on a MOTORCYCLE, " before someone told him to ambiance it down. Just to be absolutely clear, the point isn't that exclusively lesbian maidens do those thoughts. The time is that if a writer like Cameron were trying to plummet such indicates, this is how he'd do it.
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The Interactions All Make Much More Sense This Way
Rose says, reiterating the audience's speculations about her suicide endeavor, "I know what you must be thinking! Poor little rich daughter. What does she know about sadnes? " Jack responds, "That's not what I was visualizing. What I was thinking was what could have happened to suffer this girlfriend so much better she supposed she had no way out." This telegraph that we'll learn more about Rose's backstory ... but we never do. She just tells Jack that she's rich and unhappily engaged, which we already heard. We have to read between the lines to investigate she's trapped in another -- and worse -- way.
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In that same conference, Jack is asking to see Rose's fiance, "Do you desire him? " Rose reacts like it's an strange contention, and it is, taken at face value, because she literally time told Jack that she picked suicide to escape Cal. Asked again, she says, "You don't are aware of and I don't you and we are not having this conversation at all ... you are insolent and uncouth and pushy, " even though she has already frankly confessed in Jack the question's direct explanation. She is flustered because she sees there's more to this question. Jack's questioning her whether she likes chaps at all. That's taking her into risky territory.
Later, we get a speech in which the couple agree that Jack will teach Rose to razz a mare like a adult, grind tobacco like a soldier, and spittings like a male. It appears( again) like James Cameron's approximation of what lesbian flirting must be like. "I will free-spoken you of these lame womanly situations and let you do tomboy situations! On horseback! " Jack refuses to be called "Mr. Dawson" by Rose, insisting on the unisex "Jack." When they first kiss, Jack sings a lyric that was originally sung to a woman by a woman.
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Now look at the additional bed this brings to the culmination. Women and children board lifeboats first, which means Jack can theoretically board with Rose, but exclusively by coming out to the crew. Could Jack do that if it signified saving their lives? And if so, is there even a road to do it without beginning a riot and maybe even getting killed? I repeat: This would be a action better movie .
Jack meets the choice to stay behind. Then Rose abandons her lifeboat and returns to the ship, which would do nothing to help the situation, unless it's to try to convince Jack to admit the truth and committee the next lifeboat with her. It gale up being moot. Everything goes to inferno right after that, and the two end up in the ocean together. Jack tells Rose to grow up and have babes -- if she does choose to marry a man and found a family, that's fine -- and to promise to go on life and "never" throw in. Because Cal and her mom weren't her only question, so she must pledge to deal with them all, for she is certainly appear suicidal again.
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Maybe, if only in a form of the floor that never left James Cameron's head, what came next was a has demonstrated that imparted all of that subtext to the surface. Old Rose could have said, "A woman's mind is a deep ocean of secrets, " and then gone on to say( or show in flashback) exactly what that mystery was. It would have been the boldest turn in blockbuster cinema, and Titanic would have gone down as a whole other kind of milestone. "But, " James Cameron would apparently have considered, "will this movie procreate$ 2 billion at the box office? "
Or, if you want to give him a bit more ascribe, he may have simply written it so that a young woman in the theater could project herself as Rose or Jack, regardless of her direction -- creating a fantasy that, on one degree or the other, entreaties to literally everyone. If so, it's kind of genius.
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