#also i dont remember a lot of s3 but i know Billy's eyes changed in that his pupils were like MASSIVE

[jonathanbyersphd]

Hi hello does anyone else think it's interesting that Henry/Vecna/One doesn't have brown eyes but possessed Will in s2 def had them like was that a mind flayer exclusive or??

[heartshapedcowboy]

I dont agree with your opinion of harringrove but I can see how you would feel that way. I started shipping them due mainly from the actors tbh. Why do you think it's so toxic though? It's not exactly a picture perfect relationship, but that's why I like it. They are two troubled boys from different and rough childhoods and I dont think just because they got physically violent with eachother it has to be the end of a chance of a relationship, but I'm only 16 so maybe I'm just naive. (1/2)

(Srry for this being so long btw, I just had a lot I wanted to say ig lol.) Another reason I shio them is solely for what they could be, not what they are right now. (Fighting, sorta hate eachother, etc.) Especially since we saw Billy's father was the reason he is the way he is and wasnt just born evil, which means there is a chance he could be better and maybe Steve could be the person to bring that side out. Idk, that's just how I feel and I wanted to see how you felt. 💕💕 (2/2)

firstly, i can see how one may start to ship them, at first look they’re two hot guys, i’m not gonna get into it too much but that also goes into another nasty side involving the sexualization of queer pairings/relationships. i believe that billy is a physically confrontational person, he also has a temper, they didn’t just get physically violent with each other, billy more so than steve (because steve was protecting children you can easily say that he cares about), but he could have killed him, he was beaten and bloodied and barely conscious and if max hadn’t interfered he would have killed him. in the moment he had no control over his anger and emotions.

(i want to take a minute and point out a slight similarity, billy and steve fought but jonathan and steve also fought, jonathan is not a physically confrontational person. the only reason he punched steve is because steve at the moment was being a dick and saying shit. but jonathan is not a threat to nancy or his brother and his friends, billy is a threat to his stepsister and her friends including steve. i can’t remember exactly what fucking happened bc it’s been a long ass time since i’ve watched ST, but after the fight and steve showed a new side of him the air was clear between him and jonathan. i can easily see them being friends in s3. yes, steve was a cocky dick, yes he had a part in saying nasty and rude shit about nancy and jonathan, and yes he got physical with jonathan, but his bad actions are nowhere near as bad as billy’s actions. he got physically confrontational with his sister, it can also be assumed that he’s a dick in general based on max constantly flipping him off, he almost ran over dustin and lucas, he got very close to being violent with lucas, and got very violent with steve twice because he was trying to defend lucas and all of the kids and even max’s words which were very frighteningly serious “he’ll kill me. he’ll kill us.” there is a very real difference in being shitty and being a piece of shit. also, steve’s not racist, so, there’s that.)

this isn’t exactly a callout to you, but i know people like to live in their pretend utopias of billy being different entirely or changing or whatever, it doesn’t change what’s canon and tbh it’s still kinda gross and wrong to say “imagine if billy was actually a good person” just for the sake of a ship or redemption because billy is hot or whatever.

also i feel like steve wouldn’t even want to ‘try and bring that side out” abusive people are abusive people. (and racists are racists). that also goes into another ugly side of when you look at relationships, not just queer ones, your significant other is not your therapist or life coach, and neither should you try to be that for them.

and yes, i appreciate you bringing out the fact that you are young bc honestly our views can be a little swayed at young ages until you get older and learn things and see them for what they are. i’m also not saying that just bc i’m older than you doesn’t mean i know everything about everything, bc i’m still learning myself, but as you get older, your eyes will be opened towards many things.

it’s okay about the long ask tho! i’m sorry about the real long reply!! 😅