#Vlad doesn't deal with losing Maddie and Danny well.

[loudlittleecho]

Too Late to Save Them: Frozen in Time Offshoots: Vlad

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If Daniel hasn’t come back out, he can stay in the zone for all he cares. Vlad resigns as mayor. It doesn’t matter anymore. Goes back to his manor in Wisconsin. A month goes by, and he has a jolt of guilt and attempts to search the ghost zone for Danny. He’s made a lot of enemies, so he has no luck. Goes back home, tries to wash his hands of the whole ordeal. Shuts down the MADDIE program. 

Months go by. He’s lonely. He’s tried to go back to being a mind controlling villain, but it doesn’t really. . . do anything for him anymore. 

He wallows. 

Then;

It was The Nasty Burger that did this. Why are they still operating? 

He’s not going to shut them down the legal way, no. His frustration, his rage, his sorrow fuel him as he systematically destroys every and all Nasty Burger Restaurant. Messes with the lives of every stockholder and worker. Anyone involved with The Nasty Burger and it’s Nasty Sauce. 

It soothes him for a while, but. . . 

He’s so lonely. 

Where was Daniel? Had he really. . . 

Something in Vlad snaps. 

Maddie had DIED.

She was gone.

He was a scientist. He could bring her back. 

- - -

It isn’t working. He has some of Maddie’s DNA, but it. won’t. take! 

It’s incomplete. 

Fails.

He throws some of his own DNA in.

He works on it in a haze, a year going by with the outside world passing him. 

Failure. Failure. Failure.

He can’t stop his obsessive spiral. He needs this to succeed. Needs her back. 

Needs at least a PART of her back.

He stays in his ghost form; his human side needs to eat, needs to sleep.

His ghost side will need to rest, but it will wait.

This has to work. 

- - - 

The infant is alive, stable, floating in an artificial womb. 

All of the machines give the same output. 

The experiment is a success. 

He sits in a stupor.

Collapses. 

- - -

He checks on her often. This is their child. His and Maddie’s.

He begins researching how to care for a child. How to raise a child. 

A child.

A daughter.

- - - 

She’s ready. 

He gently removes her from the container.

She cries at the change of temperature.

He cleans and wraps her in a warm blanket.

- - -

Madeline is his whole world. Vlad has someone who loves him in return. 

The fractured part of Vlad’s being begins to heal. 

He is able to mourn Maddie’s passing, mourn the friends he had lost, and their children that he had been antagonistic with. 

He had been a fool.

But little Madeline was here, and he needed to do right by her. 

She gets sick at three months old; she’s not exactly a clone, but his halfa DNA gave her trouble. He had to make them both invisible and sit in the ghost zone so she could get better. 

He does a few tests. 

She’s not a halfa- she might get some of his powers, might not. Very unlikely. He would have to keep a close eye on her to make sure she was healthy and safe. 

No matter. He would do anything and everything to keep her safe. 

His daughter, his dear one, 

Madeline Masters

[halfblackwolfdemon]

I feel like, with Ra's years of knowledge and our flippancy with canon (it can and will be my bitch and I shall pick and choose what canon I'm eating at the moment) Ra's will 100% adjust how he handles Danny and Damian's continued training.

With Bruce's son, his new heir, Ra's, while still teaching how to be a proper Assassin and everything, would have him come to think of Danny as his personal guard, his "demon" to command and control.

And Danny, whose had years under Ra's, (training and killing and becoming someone so highly respected and feared) and is a little (a lot) unhinged with his family and friends' passing, will do everything in his power to keep Damian safe. He has only Damian now. Damian is all that matters. He is all Danny will live and die for. And he will protect him with everything in his being and beyond.

Ra's plays on Danny's feelings, on his obsession with keeping Damian safe. And if he sees more of Danny's ghostly side? His eyes glowing green, his fangs and claws lengthening, his hissing and need for skin-on-skin contact if Damian is hurt to heal him (cause I hc that Danny, with his ice core, can heal like the Yeti's can)? Damian has a powerful protector. A powerful beast only he can control (Ra's can tell, anything Damian asks for, speaks of or even hints of wanting, Danny will do everything and more to get it for his Little Sol, his North Star, his reason for living)

I feel like, after losing everyone he loved and before Danny asked Vlad to yank his humanity out, assassins were sent to end Vlad, since Ra's is technically an eco-terrorist at his "core" and Vlad has def done a fuckload of shady deals to get that rich that fast. And Vlad, who under normal circumstances, would be able to take them out easily, dies protecting Danny.

Danny, seeing the last person who knew and cared about him cut down so easily, just begs to be killed, too. But the assassins weren't here for Danny. They got their target, took their proof (a finger or something), and left.

Danny, in a moment of deep depressive grief, follows. It's how he found Ra's originally, and got Ra's interested in him.

"Talia, he followed my most loyal and perceptive assassins without their knowledge. I will have him. Bring him to me." Ra's murmured, green eyes glinting.

It spirals there. Ra's can fake til he makes it better than anyone. A gentle voice here. A soft headpat there. Quiet affirmations. Letting Danny 'catch him' being soft. Very much following @halfagone 's story where Ra's is intrigued by Danny when he visits Amity Park after his other daughters' death.

But he doesn't have to steal Danny away. Danny came to him willingly.

Danny develops an obsession with pleasing Ra's. He wasn't his father, but... But Danny never really had a grandpa.

A Grandfather. Ra's was his Grandfather.

Ra's is very pleased with this.

And then Talia rapes takes Bruce's sperm and Damian is made.

The moment Danny's eyes land on Damian, a new obsession forms. That child was his to protect. His to cherish. His to care for.

Ra's was extra pleased. Another neatly crafted fold to his origami plan for World Domination from the shadows. Daniel would never leave him. Would do everything for his little brother, his Center, his North Star. All according to plan.

I feel like this would pair really well with the Son of Batman start where Slade comes in and kills Ra's, making Talia send Danny off with Damian to protect him. Sending Damian to Bruce. And instead of Bruce nearly fucking Talia in front of Damian like in the movie, Danny just shows up in front of the manor with Damian cuddled against his chest.

For this I feel like Danny would definitely follow in Jack's shoes of being a brick shit-house in height, but with major hints of Maddie; all slim muscles built for stealth and hidden strength. He'd probably be around 6'6" with Dicks build:

Like this but tall af. Just, tiny 4' nothing Damian curled up against Danny's chest is the big picture I got going on in my head, wearing a button down shirt and jeans with LoA shoes.

And then we get into big plot points for the story:

- Damian wants revenge on Slade for Ra's death

- Danny butting heads with Dick and Bruce about raising Damian

- Introducing the rest of the family to Damian, who doesn't have a complex about being Robin. He was raised to be the next Demon's Head, why would he want to be Robin?

- Danny knew Jason when he was training with the League, Jason loves him. Danny is also the reason that Jason's Pit Madness was curbed so easily, but Danny didn't care if Jason went full bonkers when he made it to Gotham. Not his problem.

More if I can think of it! I now have... Ideas...

I got a take on the Danny is Damian's older brother au. He's Damian's brother but he's his adopted brother. So hear me out:

Danny is running away post TUE and he encounters some assassins. For whatever reason they get into a fight and he beats them. This ends up getting back to Ra's who is quite curious about who beat up his most prized assassins effortlessly. After some investigation, he extends an invite for Danny to train under him. On Danny's part, he jumps at the chance to disappear off the face of the earth and have a free place to stay.

Danny ends up being an absolute prodigy. This is him close to being Dan so his morals are much shakier. He doesn't leap at the opportunity to kill, but he's most definitely not above it if need be. Combine that with his ghost powers and personal training by Ra's himself and the guy becomes like the golden standard within the league. So much so to the point where Ra's even names him his heir and adopts him. Though Danny insists he is his adopted grandson and not adopted son.

Flashforward to Damian being born and Ra's obviously wants him to be his new heir. Not that Danny has any problem with this. He's very clearly Ra's favorite considering the things he's allowed to get away with. Like letting targets go, having worldly possessions in his room (TV, gaming console, computer, etc), and even befriending his subordinates (Ra's particularly doesn't like that one but knows Danny will never allow it to become a weakness for him). Even if Danny wasn't the heir, he would still maintain a significant level of authority within the league (again not that he cares about having power as long as there's a roof over his head).

The problem is, Damian can't compete with Danny. After all, who could match up to a highly trained half ghost with dubious morals? Let alone a kid. Too bad Ra's doesn't see it that way. He sees Damian as a failure who will never measure up to Danny. That's why he sends the boy off to live with his father. It's under the excuse that he'll be receiving a different sort of training but in reality, the Demon Head no longer wants anything to do with his biological grandson.

Obviously this turns into quite the complex for Damian. Meanwhile Danny absolutely adores Damian. From the moment he was introduced to the baby he was ecstatic. He'd always wanted to be an older brother. He would constantly be barging into Damian's room to hang out and whenever they'd sparred together, he'd try to let him win. Ra's quickly caught onto that one and put a stop to it immediately though. Basically Danny is Damian's League of Assassins version of Dick. An example of what he's supposed to be that he will always compare himself to (and that also has no idea what personal space is).

Danny loved his little brother so much that he even managed to get a mission to Gotham about a year after Damian had been sent there in order to surprise him with a belated birthday present.

The bats are absolutely shocked with an assassin suddenly charges at Damian and before anyone can react, scoops him into a hug. Damian is screeching bloody murder as he attempts to get Danny to let him go. Danny is just hugging him while saying stuff like "I missed you little brother" and "You've grown so much since I last saw you" all while avoiding knives to the chest.

The bats get shocked x2 because wait.... little brother!? Talia had another child!? And one far older than Damian to boot. Damian is quick to clarify that Danny is adopted while still trying to stab him. Imagine the boy's horror and Danny's delight when he gets invited back to the batcave to speak further.

[radiance1]

If Danny + Vlad = Sun Core. Then what kind of core does Vlad have for Space to just turn into the Sun? Fire? Plasma (I remember seeing this somewhere)? Star (Thought honestly the Sun IS a star)? I would like to put gravity there as well as an option but ehhhh.

So, through the mention of Time Travellers, I am ASSUMING that this is a timeline where Dan is redeemed and in Danny's timeline (Still find it fun to have Dan have a whole sort identity crisis over the fact that, if his timeline was erased then is he actually just Danny's future or completely cut off from that) since his own was erased and he maybe was let out of the Thermos from Clockwork's watch because redemption and allat.

So I am further going to assume that since Vlad is not mentioned here that he is either thugging it out with the GIW or is currently in hiding. I'm choosing the former assumption, as the thought of Vlad being captured and or experimented on is very, very enticing to think about while Dan, Danny, Dani, and Jazz are out there somewhere in the world.

(Even better if Dan left Vlad behind in order to save the DDJ (I'm not typing out their names again) and Vlad is emotionally hurt by this but logically knows that it would be the correct decision to make)

(Somewhat redeemed Vlad where isn't as much of a giant fruitloop but not full way redemption and healing because, you know, Jack and Maddie dying and then being captured by the GIW)

This would also actually make sense as to why Dan is booking it to a Pit (if he knows that or not is honestly up to you) because Vlad is compromised and, by extension, that means his portal is compromised as well.

Anywho, enough about THAT.

Regarding Jack and Maddie, I want to say that they would be good parents but a bigger part of me wants to say they would be more 'Trying Fenton Parents' as in, they're not the best and they do continue to mess up BUT! They're trying their best to be better parents than they were previously. So, they're neither strictly good nor bad but trying parents.

Maybe one of their first acts was to cut their connections with the GIW, which lead to their eventual deaths via portal exploding and the GIW. Which could actually lead to a bit more hurt on Dan's end than he originally expected, to see his parents again (Well, not his parents because his timeline is gone, but a variation) and being told that, even with trying to kill them they still accept him and trying to better themselves (Something which never happened in his timeline because, you know, dead and all) only to just... die. Without even making any good progress because it was cut short is just... pretty unfair actually.

Not to mention losing parents a second time.

RIGHT ANYWYAS.

So, giant dragon flying through the sky without care for what's below. Would obviously set off the panic button for everyone who sees it and, like you said, several Time Travellers are in a panic because the world ending threat that succeeded in destroying the world is just, right there. Up in the goddamn sky.

(Perhaps even a select few are in hysterics because they thought that timeline was just gone, erased. Because it has been so that threat shouldn't even exist anymore (Though who that would be idk))

The goverment (Cough Amanda Waller) is on the Justice League's ass about this and telling them to find a way to deal with it if it became a threat. The Justice League is trying to find any information they can to piece together with the information given by Time Travellers. Several Supervillains are interested in this being of fearsome might, some scientifically, some magically, some both and some just for the raw power they can tell it holds and wants in their service.

The GIW are... less than pleased about this situation. One, because it reveals undeniable proof of ghosts existing that removes one of their few protections with the only saving grace being that it doesn't reveal the GIW's existence yet. Two, this recent stunt would undeniably draw Amanda Waller's attention and, if she does manage to piece together that ghosts do in fact, exist, she would crack down on them with an iron fist and make everything they want to do much, much harder since she can now view them as an actual threat. Three, they escaped, which was extremely obvious yes they know, but at the very least they managed to obtain one of them out of the four of them.

It was unstable, yes. But far better than the one with the core of the moon, which was the most unstable of all of them no matter how much it tried to appear anywhere differently.

And then there was the Fenton child. They were honestly split on what to consider her as. It was apparent that she wasn't a ghost, but she was by no means normal either. She could not turn into a ghost but that was traded off for transforming into a dragon and somehow, somehow she had a core. Something humans shouldn't have and even 'liminals' as the GIW took to calling both the residents of Amity Park and even some of their own number, had a core nowhere near as well developed as she possessed. Just a pale imitation of one compared to what she had and the one of a true ghost.

She was a scientific marvel! It was a shame that her parents couldn't see that, unfortunately, even though they had the titles as the best in the field that they so foolishly discarded just because their children, in case, turned out to be a ghost and, in the other, had the qualities of one despite still being distinctly human.

The GIW were a fan of weaponized and utilized incompetence but was a truly idiotic move on their part. To think of all the discoveries they could have made together if they just made the right decision.

Truly, a pity.

The largest dragon among them, apparently some variant of their son fused with his godfather-which was as fascinating as it was hard to believe on the implications alone-was not their highest priority right now. No, that was avoiding Amanda Waller's attention but even then it still wasn't.

Their highest priority subject would be to gain custody over one Jazmine Fenton. With their lowest being that unstable clone that tried to appear anything but unstable.

Prompt 300

Danny squirms and hisses, trying to dig his claws into dark scales as the clouds whistle by. “Wait- Ancients dammit- STOP!” he shrieked, cursing how tiny his own ghost form was compared to his other not-quite-future-self. Wings that could easily dwarf the entire Ops center beat through the air, fast enough to cause his eyes to sting. 

“Dan- bring me back- stop-” he wailed, despite the grip on his scruff not even loosening. Yet the larger dragon didn’t so much as twitch back towards Amity, the city disappearing into the distance like a speck. “We have to go back-” 

The GIW were- were- They had to go back! The portal was gone (exploded, broken and all of Fentonworks a smoldering mess, oh Ancients he’s gonna be sick-), no one could return to the Realms, they were all sitting ducks- 

“Jordan please-” he begged, even though he already knew that between the city, between every other ghost and them, Dan would always choose to keep them safe. But Jazz was hurt, she wasn’t waking up from where she lay limply cradled in Dan’s claws. 

There was so much blood, and he only knew she was still alive from the weak fluttering of her core, growing stronger as her heartbeat faded. She needed help, she needed doctors- he doesn’t know if she would be able to come back, not with how they were leaving the ecto-rich city behind and he didn’t want to lose her- Dan’s blank panic was swamping his own, drowning both of them in the emotion as the dragon tore through the sky. Some part of him knew they couldn’t stay in Amity anymore, but- But Jazz needed help- Danny couldn’t help the tears that dripped from his yes, pretending it was merely the clouds as they flew to places unknown to him.

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Heey mutual @radiance1 Dragon buddy o' mine

[mutable-manifestation]

Okay but any relationship Vlad is in he's gonna be obsessive. Like: Obsession ended with Maddie, Joker is his new love

And he wasn't even in a relationship with Maddie, he just liked her.

So how much worse is he gonna be with Joker when they were dating and he tries to leave him.

I'm thinking "Plasmius" & Joker were the ones dating - maybe Vlad fled to another universe bc he got put on the illegal things radar as Masters in the DP world, maybe it's a combo world & Danny just... thought Vlad started minding his own business and decided it wasn't his problem when he couldn't find him in Amity/his castle/the ghost zone, whatever the case - Plasmius & Joker have been on a worldwind tour of Gotham. The only reason the city is even still standing is bc the Bats called in JLD backup after the third batfam member got posessed by a clone.

And then they both go quiet.

It takes a week to track them down to Vlad Masters' mansion - new in town, the guy bought the place & moved to Gotham not a month ago.

They find the both of them in the basement, Joker strapped to a table with Vlad holding a syringe of green liquid nearby. They have to rescue Joker.

Vlad went the full "it's because I'm a halfa, isn't it?" route. Just absolutely Romeo & Julietted - if Romeo forced Juliette to drink the poison. "Surely if we're both halfas you could still love me."

Joker is losing his mind here. More than normal. Because Vlad won't listen to a word he is saying. He literally told him it's because he can't cope with the tax evasion. Vlad refuses not to tax evade on principal.

"Taxation is theft"

"All of our money IS STOLEN!"

"Well yes but none of it was stolen from me."

Joker spent most of the week in a cushy room with Vlad trying the mental & emotional manipulation tactics before he just went "eff it, time to turn you in a half ghost" so the calvary gets there just in time.

Vlad knows the JLD guys can catch him (they did once, but Joker freed him) so he bolts the moment they try to blast him (he would've tried to take Joker as well, but the blast was aimed between them - pity, his amore will simply have to wait a bit for his knight in shining armor to rescue him from that dreadful asylum - perhaps he'll love him again then).

Except now Joker has to go into Protective Custody. From a ghost dude.

They just had to rescue Joker. Joker likes to monologue, if the scene they arrived to wasn't enough.

Where would they even keep him? Would it just be Arkham but with anti-ghost measures in one cell. If it isn't, how pissed is Vlad gonna be - he can work around anti-ghost measures but missing?

Joker is absolutely going to hunt down how to deal with ghosts if he gets the chance.

The fight when they meet back up? Horrendous. Like the world's messiest divorce spat with extra murder except they were only dating for a week. Vlad is just. Like That.

So basically: Vlad becomes the Joker's rouge. And the JLD can't be there all the time. And Vlad's clever. Essentially: Vlad becomes Joker's own personal rouge.

Vlad starts doing shit to impress Joker by attacking Gotham to try & win him back?

Yeah: Batfam + Joker teamup. Jason is frothing at the mouth. But Joker keeps escaping anyway. And they keep having to rescue him, because he's still Very Bad At Anti-Ghost Things (until/unless they find & acquire Fenton gear, which Vlad has a vested interest in preventing them from finding).

PLUS! Vlad is Very Easy To Distract if Joker is there. Makes it easier for the rest of the Batfam to get him.

Joker is also frothing at the mouth and hates it. But whenever he leaves to do his thing He Gets Kidnapped! (It takes 9 rescues before he breaks & calls a truce until they End Vlad [which the Batfam doesn't want to do but Joker works on it whenever he can get away from them - infrequent due to the whole "we're not letting u leave bc u need protective AND are a dangerous criminal" thing. And you know? Batman's whole "I refuse to kill anyone, ever" thing is a lot less funny when he's dealing with the crazy immortal ex from literal hell killing him is just like sending him home Batsy for the love of FUCK])

Vlad and the Joker start dating and all's well and good until tax season comes up and Vlad flat out lies on his tax write offs and Joker nearly has a panic attack bc he (canonically) will fight anyone BUT the IRS.

Tax evasion is how so so many criminals get caught when the courts can't pin anything else on them. The Joker refuses to get caught in any way other than the most dramatic of fashions and tax evasion ain't one of them