#Ultimately I don't think the lolcalisation edited the script only for this reason
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randomnameless · 2 years ago
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I have a hunch that the reason Treehouse went with the direction they did wrt the Supreme Leader lolcalization is because they didn't want the female lord to be a villain. I mean let's face it, if they didn't make those changes, what do you think the reception of the game would've been like from the west, especially if they decided not to make a route where you side with SL?
Eh...
I think it's reveals more, if this is the reason why Supreme Leader was whitewashed, about the lolcalisation's backwards views about women ?
Sure the base game also had the cheap uwu moments and the alone b4u nonsense, but beyond the uwu and need to sell tea, it was clear Supreme Leader was a red emperor, and shared some of Ashnard's skewed tendencies.
Just like women can fart too, they can also be imperialists, don't give any fucks randoms being diced or think people from another race ruin the world.
I was wondering why Araki meant when he said he wanted jolyne cujoh to be a real character and not what everyone does when they write a "female character", but after reading her arc, I'm disappointed in how much Araki was... Sort of right ?
At times you have the feeling the writing for some character restraints itself because this character happens to be a woman.
For Supreme Leader, it already happened bcs uwu and "in luf with u" means she put her conquest in hold for 5 years bcs, more or less "alone b4u ", and no one ever holds her accountable for Flamey's sidekicks or the "pointy ears are not human thus shouldn't rule over humans"-
But trying to remove the vilain angle (that no one in the verse even cares about !) ? Because she's a woman ? What kind of benevolent sexism "women can't be bad" is this shit ? Would anyone really seriously think "women can be bad !" would cause a controversy in the west ?
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randomnameless · 2 years ago
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FantasyInvader reply on the Edelstans going full circle on “translation=making Edelgard look bad” is the first time I heard of Treehouse hating Rhea, but it honestly makes sense now that I think about it.
Oh,
TBH I ranted a few years ago about the localisation and the direction Cherami Leigh received to dub Rhea, and, uh, well...
I don't think she hates the character or anything, she just goes with the direction given, but man what a load of crap Pat told her lol - she made an interview where she says Pat told her Rhea has a hair-trigger temper (tfw she only loses her shit when you try to reenact the genocide she escaped when she was younger - but nah it's just a hair trigger temper) and how Rhea "just is", something we know is bullcrap because she's the same person who's insecure about "bothering" people if she eats with them, Rhea isn't the assured person she tries to pretend to be, but Pat dgaf.
Regardless of the meaning of the quotes, if you have time to spare of the feh wiki, just compare the delivery of lolcalised!Rhea and Inoue!Rhea (her Halloween alt is telling), they're like night and day - but in the game proper, we have the fe datamine website !
Short story : Lolcalised!Rhea isn't supposed to emote bar being AnGrY, monotone (that line where she worries about Aelfie's plans in the DLC could be swapped with her reading the notice of aspirin) or have 2 lines where she's relaxed (billy supports) - Jp!Rhea is allowed to be upset, to mourn, to be worried, cheerful etc etc.
I've already complained a lot about FE16's lolcalisation, cultural bias at play and wanting to soften a certain character, but to exaggerate only a little bit, I have the feeling Rhea was portrayed in the lolcalisation (and not localisation, the lol is very important) as the ultimate bogeyman of the "dictatorial evil leader of an organised religion who is also a zealot and does not tolerate dissent because she's religious" which has...
idk, but serious issues because again, if you are supposed to localise a product you cannot edit something red to be something violet and sparkly and if the shitstorm (that ultimately came from a misunderstanding!) about "creative localisation" is any indication, more and more people are fed up with lolcalisations altering the meaning, not of a word, but of a game to suit their own agendas.
Oh, and not specifically tied to Rhea but in a way it is because it adopts Supreme Leader's prop a ganda words :
A friend earlier noticed that the NoA official website - where you can buy the game (digital version) - adverstises Fodlan as a land controlled by the Church of Seiros. Oddly (lel) enough, this "controlled by the Church of Seiros" crap of a tidbit doesn't appear in the japanese website, and even in the european ones!
I don't believe we got another version compared to the Treehouse version - even if at times, the french script is closer to the japanese one and at times they come up with their own bullshit - but there is a point to be said that in a certain part of the world, the game was advertised in a way that kind of fit a certain's characters POV, something that doesn't exist in the rest of the world. And it's in that same "part of the world" that the person who directed the VA for the eng dub, well, worked and directed said VA.
So what, is it some great conspiracy or something else? lol no.
Did Treehouse told NoA "don't worry, I've got this game, I'll localise it just close your eyes and market it that's all" and they went bonkers? And for some reason whoever was in charge at the NoE branch didn't close their eyes (maybe half-closed) so we have a weird mix between the two? idk.
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