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depressedhangrybitch · 3 months ago

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Ok so normally i always try to look at things from a very understanding perspective but this post.........goshhh

The height of ignorance is both hilarious and sad to read about like if u are going to diss our scriptures at least do it with research.

First of all, one thing that i want to highlight for people out there is that;

DO NOT APPROACH INDIAN SCRIPTURES OR EASTERN RELIGIONS IN GENERAL WITH AN ABHRAHAMIC MINDSET.

This is not to shit at abhrahamic philosphies but to highlight the fact that these philosphies have different approaches to different things....

For ex: Based on my limited understanding of these philosphies I would say they have a clear cut definition of what constitutes as good or bad, there are rarely shades of grey between them....

HOWEVER....

Indian scriptures do have millions of shades of grey between them so to your first line stating that:

"Asurs are always depicted as unscrupulous villains" is in itself wrong... because there have been millions of times when asurs came victorious against their battle against devas and some of them did have virtuous qualities like bali, mahishasur (in devi bhagvatam purana) etc.

I dont consider asurs as necessarily bad beings just as i dont consider devas to be necessrily good beings.

Asurs tend to be arrogant when bestowed with a new power and generally...and i do emphasize on generally, they use those powers to wreck havoc.

Similarly, Devas or in most cases, Indra also tend to become arrogant and are always drenched in superiority complexes which is why, there is always a need for the one of the tridevs *cough* narayan *cough* to humble him.

As for indulgng in deceit.....

Both Devas and Asurs tend to do that to get upper hand....

Its just unfortunate that Devas are much more subtle and clever with their deceitful actions than Asurs who are like bull in the china shop.

On top of that, there are many instances when I personally felt a need to wrinkle my nose while i was reading these stories... sometimes at the actions of the Devas....other times at the actions of Asurs.

Shukracharya's story is perhaps one of the great examples of how petty and arrogant devas can be. Just as the story of Shumbh and Nishumbh is a testament to the destructiveness and momentary stupidness of Asurs.

My point is that puranas are basically moral stories from which we need to learn from.... instead of taking sides and completely bypassing the points they are screaming.

And while reading, we need to keep in mind that every character in them needs to be looked at a very neutral scale..

They are neither good nor bad, just people with both qualities in them.

Asurs have some qualitites like their tenacity and resilience that deserves to be admired just as Devas cleverness and cunningness deserves to be admired....

So if u look at these scriptures with a very who is good and who is bad mindset well.... lets just say u completely missed the lessons they were preaching....

Now, lets see the incidents you were talking about.....

The Samudra Manthan's goods were not for Devas to give away let me be clear on that...

Laxmi was not given away....she is not some goods u can barter about with....

She went to narayan because she wanted to marry him.

U know consent is a thing. right?

As for other goods....

I am not trying to be defensive here but Asurs clearly were stupid to get distracted by Mohini avatar.... Devas just happen to be clever and not get distracted by frivolous things and focus on task at hand....

Most importanty, u need to REMEMBER that Narayan is THE PRESERVER OF THE UNIVERSE.

He oversees how the universe works and to prevent it from going into chaos and why would he give the elixir to Asurs when at that time they clearly had bad intentions?

He already has his hands full dealing with Asurs who get boons from Shiva and brahma. I am sure he DOESN'T need more on his platter.

My bro has just gotten married at least give him some time to enjoy his honeymoon......XXXXD

(that was a joke btw)

Saw this meme on tumblr by @decemberpdf

Ahem....

anyways....

back to the topic....

Rahu and Ketu were the only ones who were focused on their goal, an admirable quality but they did not have good intentions so...

Narayan chopped them off.....

He does what he needs to do. Its his job.

As for the lakshagrah incident...

Yeah it was shitty when Bhim left his wife and son.... even i dont agree with that point...perhaps one day i might see things from a different perspective but not today....

But it was not because he wanted to leave her but because there were bigger scales at stake. Keep in mind he did not stay with his other wives (excluding draupadi) as well. Now I know that is not a good excuse but they are royals. Royalty marriages were done mainly for political purposes.... hence the polygamy.

What do u think may have happened if Bhima decided to stay?

I can imagine very different scenarios and none of them are favorable.

Bhim was the leading physical force in all of his brothers. If he had stayed.... I am sure I dont need to tell you about how the Bakasura incident may have ended.

Finally get your knowledge right, Hidimbi was a Rakshasi not a Danvi, if i am not wrong.

These two are completely different races.

Ghatotkatch did what he did for his father perhaps out of love perhaps out of duty but he understood his circumstances and was not bitter towards his father.

He is definitely a better person than me...

Eklavya's tale is quite the AMBIGUOUS one...

Some say his thumb was cut due to the far sightedeness of Drona, some say that it was because Drona feared his talent....so i would leave it upto u.

Eklavya's tale can be explained that Drona saw his potential and as an Hastinapur's employee decided to nip the bud before it bloomed by asking Eklavya's thumb.

Keep in mind that Eklavya was a citizen of Magadh which was not an ally of Hastinapur. If Eklavya had flourished, he may have been employed by Jarasandh in future, thus may have become a headache for Hastinapur. Drona may have foresaw this, which is why he did what he did.

He was just an asshole and could not digest that someone was better than Arjuna. But come on, I can't blame him... Arjuna was a loyal and diligent student even more so, than his brothers.

Anyone who is a teacher will understand this that teaching a student who wants to learn is better than the students who want to learn because its expected of them.

yes Eklavya's tale is a tragic one....

Do i hate drona for it? Yes.

But do i understand why he did what he did? Also yes.

Finally ramayan.....ohhh the lack of knowledge the OP shows is hilarious....

Ram is a myriadda purushottam sure..... yes he abandoned and questioned his wife not once but twice..... first time Sita understands and proves herself not for Ram....but for her people. Dont forget she is a queen who has a duty towards her people just like Ram. Second time when Ram banishes her, does she simply take it? NO!!! She fights back and refuses to come back when Ram calls her back.

Even going further by asking her mother to take her back.

The first time it was her duty, second time it was her self respect.

Do i agree with what Ram did? No...

Do i understand why he did what he did? Yes.

In my opinion u can either be a good spouse or a good leader. Never both.

And to question your sources, many dont even consider uttar kanda from where these incidents are, as part of Valmiki Ramayan, which is the OG Ramayan so....

As for your claim...

"ooo but Ravan never touched her sexually or he was a gentleman"

Bitch stfu

Ravan did not touch her, not because he was a gentleman but because he had a curse...some say from an apsara... some say from his daughter in law, that if he touches another woman against their will he would literally die.

Yes he raped the apsara or if u read the daughter in law version, then the daughter in law.

Ram deceitfully killed Bali and he paid for it in his next life as Krishn when he was killed by an arrow in the feet.

Bali was an asshole and he died in an asshole way.

Krishn died the way he did to pay for his 'sins ' in the previous life.

Not even gods can escape their karma.

"All these puranic tales have become a matter of intense debate..."

As they should be....

A society can only evolve if it questions. Even if those questions become controversial or a taboo to speak about. Many practises we do in the name of god or traditons are unhealthy and if u will not question them..Who will? And how will we move past them?

And because people have stopped or were forced to stop reading their scriptures HAS made them easy to manipulate thus came in the things like caste system, boob tax in one indian kingdom (i am forgetting the nae, so dont ask) etc.

I dont advocate for caste system....nor will I ever.

But when time passes and SCRIPTURES become old there is always a POSSIBILITY that they have been tampered with and their right message is distorted and manipulated to suit the agendas of the powerful few.

I am still open to the possibility that there may be more scriptures yet undiscovered about Ramayana and Mahabharat and thus my opinions may also chnage.

Furthermore, there are many things I still can't digest when I read Ramayan and Mahabharat and its Ok....because experience changes perspective. Maybe someday... I will understand some of the decisions of the characters within these epics.

Lastly, the one thing people need to do is that they should read their own scriptures in the original language so they can build their own interpretations and have healthy discussions on them NOT ARGUMENTS.

I know reading the OG scripts are not ideal but if u can try and if u cannot then read from variety of sources.

Do not read translations and if you do pls keep an open mind because translation is a powerful tool and many Indian words are not fully comprehended in other languages especially english.

I have seen many people translating Asurs as Demons when they are not and thus, here comes the abhrahamic influence.

This especialy pisses me off because unlike demons who are almost always evil (again limited knowledge) Asurs are not necessarily evil. They are people with their own qualities and conflicting ideals that contrast the Devas.

I think the battle of Asurs and Devas should be approached rationally. Someone once told me that these two species represent 2 different sides of humans. Sometimes, there is a need for Asurs mentality, sometimes Devas. And they co-exist within us, sometimes battling for supremacy other times working together for a greater goal.

Conclusively, approach a new philosphy with a open mind and if u can with no biases.

PS: Some of my opinions may ruffle some feathers but please try to think openly before u cuss me out.

Finally even after u think i have said something stupid, feel free to correct me.

And if u come at me with baseless accusations and stupid comments because I hurt your feelings or offended you...

then i apologize.....in advance...

FOR NOT GIVING A FUCK.....

Thank u

Also sorry about my language.....

My only excuse is I was ranting.....

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