#Their companies DON'T PROMOTE THEM!!! They literally don't invest any money to promote their groups!!!

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I was watching this Chinese variety show just to see Ricky and Zhang Hao but then I saw one of the hosts was Zhang Zhenyuan and now I want to cry… 😭💔

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Hi tee 🤗

How have you been? I had a marketing-related question in my mind for a bit but I don't know how to word correctly or if it even makes sense (I don't have an excuse, I live in a country where English is one of the two official languages so in conclusion, I'm just illiterate or don't know how to communicate).

I don't know much about the marketing field but if you were working on two "projects" or campaigns that were "competitors" to each other, how would you go on about it? I'm asking because Wakeone (W1) is managing ZB1 and survivors of the W1 trainee layoff and although it's not certain, I'm hoping they have plans to debut the three known survivors (lolol).

Like It's nice of them (referring to W1 trainees) to do covers or post pictures daily (for the time being) so they don't lost momentum but I don't know why but I feel like it's not enough for me 😂 I don't know if this is weird but at least for kpop groups that I will gladly throw my 💸 at, I much prefer watching behind the scenes content (applies to Boys Planet and ZB1; think Bangtan Bombs for BTS if you know about that), something like the Boys Planet Top 18 Pyjama party, or the W1 trainee live (I kid you not, I've watched that live three times with english subs...to be fair, I'm trying to learn Korean 💪). Anyways, apologies for the ramble but I'm also curious if you have any theories about this lolol.

Have a good one 🫶 Don't forget to take care of yourself 🌻

hey moni! this question got me excited, i pulled out my laptop to type my response hihi

long marketing/business ramble under the cut lol

honestly, i've been thinking of that too! I was pleasantly surprised to see wakeone promoting their korean trainees and keeping their presence online alive whilst preparing for ZB1's debut. I do agree that it would be nicer to have more personalized content for them - we're literally being fed crumbs with their cute little dance covers and photos and what not. Maybe something like The Boyz' Flower Snack? They had a pre-debut show where they served in a cafe.

Going back to the initial topic of working on two separate projects that are in competition to one another: it honestly seems like a conflict of interest at first. But, we have to remember that wakeone (legally) "owns" the wakeone trainees and has invested much more in their training. Whereas ZB1 members are not bound by a longer contract, and there was little to no investment in the training of these members (except Taerae of course) because training came from the members' respective companies.

Thus, it would make sense to keep their in-house talent like the korean wakeone trainees active and relevant for as long as possible - making sure the general public and star creators know that they're still in wakeone. This builds up anticipation and support for the company from the fandoms of wakeone trainees. I think it's no coincidence that they started posting more around the same time woongki and haruto announced their departure from the company. It seems that wakeone has no plans with them at all, so they did the sensible thing and just left.

Going back, keeping their in-house talent relevant is important NOW given that zb1 is actively preparing and documenting their debut journey. Because when zb1 disbands, wakeone's source of money will be their in-house talent.

On a marketing perspective, these two groups (should they debut at around the same time) MUST have two differentiating branding. This means they must target a different target audience, embody different concepts, and dominate in spaces where they would not conflict with one another. I honestly think a boy-group trio hasn't been popularized ever (unless it's a unit like exo-cbx or nct dojaejung), and I wonder if wakeone is going in this direction. If ZB1 gets a darker group concept, wakeone's in-house group should go the opposite direction.

However, it is also possible that they might be applying SM's strategy when it comes to company promotion. SM groups are uniquely distinct from one another. But do you ever notice how more than 1 SM group seems to promote at the same time as another SM group or soloist? Lee Sooman's previous strategy was like "I'll make my artists comeback at the same time so all the charts are dominated by SM. doesn't matter which SM artist you choose to support at that time, it won't matter, because SM artists will dominate all the charts". SM takes a "company" approach when it comes to dominating the market.

On a business level, I don't know if Wakeone is staffed well enough to handle another full functioning group ON TOP of their current workload with Kep1er. Thus, I think it would be smart for Wakeone to focus on the quality of their management, rather than the quantity of their groups. In short, they're not prepared for this type of artist expansion.

But as a phanbin voter :') i hope he gets to debut tho. I believe he'll make it big one day! hoping for his success and happiness

also hope you're doing well Moni <3 love conversations like this!! make sure to sleep well and eat all your meals mwah

[nyasialiveshere]

jus one thing the xenophobia thing for why western audiences dont respond as well to kpop as some would like.. is kind of played out in an age of spanish music/afrobeats

where tons of english mixed with other languages are flooding the airwaves ( ps it has been for decades sort of thai rap, japanese rap has developed interest across the globe for it's unique contribution to the genre) music and art is still spreading and growing its idol culture that is waning in popularity but it's being framed as people just don't like any asian artists period which isn't true.

Plus it can't be said people just want to listen to music in a language they can understand. THIS IS NOT TRUE. Yes the radio has it's people picked but that is simply big money controlling what it monopolizes. That isn't reflective of the real world and how people feel. During times where black and white communities were almost completely seperate black motown artists were very popular on the radio

They don't push kpop because they don't have a financial stake in it it's little to do with what the people want. Though the public doesn't really like kpop all that much either compared to say regular pop, but the you cannot say it's due to language and cultural barriers. Because that exists in the us. There are towns that can be up to 80 percent one race, many people live mostly amongst their own race and immediate culture in some small towns and even large towns in america. It isn't the multicultural paradise it's framed to be. Someone who lives up north can be completely ignorant of southern culture/slang and verbage up to the point where they literally don't understand what their "fellow american" is saying.

There are people in america that can't even understand what 90 percent of what us rappers are saying by proxy of heavy heavy accents especially dealing with southern rap I'm from the south my brain has to recalibrate sometimes trying to figure out what they saying. People are simple they like stuff that makes them feel good and soundwaves that give them butterflies. kpop is simply not investing money into good producers and too many untalented nepo babies running the kpop industry. Lsm is gone, jyp is old and out of touch and yg is in jail these young club new rich chaebol kids are now doing the producing with absolutely none of the respect and admiration the old heads had for real music.

They are so in a tizzy with what to do next they are trying to make a korean one direction you can't make this stuff up

No surprise this is how kpop has survived this long mimicking and changing just enough to stay alive and outlive it's competition.

They can make a hit but not a classic. Many kpop fans are into the cult of personality completely disregarding the quality of the music the baritone, rifts, originality are unimportant, loud belting is impressive autotune can fix the rest. So ofc in the age of ai kpop will be targeted 1st. Many mainly care about the fanservice and wanting to interact with idols more so than the music everybody knows that. Particularly in places like Korea where this is apart of the band's marketing.

Whereas American promotion is more focused on western forms of promotion

because of these different promo styles you are getting different deliveries but in the end it's still a show being put on either way. Making music the backdrop and making the way companies secure their bags less obvious. It's hard to see a group of coworkers that hug, kiss, and spend every waking moment together as a company project. They are a family. They are also dolls that can be paired with one another or other dolls from different play houses.

Which isn't anything new but it's something we as consumers don't think to deeply about. If it's in front of you it's a product even if you don't spend money on it.

Where energy flows money goes. Interest in relationships lead to interest in albums

and when fans across borders and languages don't get there dopamine boost from these relationships they revolt.

I liked kpop for the theatrics in america its mainly the theater kids that like kpop and the artsy kids. The music and visuals is even loosing that appeal and becoming more tame and predictable(I assume I don't listen to music like that anymore.) But I wonder how they will usher in the ai idols thing, through tv and movies, anime, my guess is 1st realistic high grade chat bots and since they have a 360 deal they can use there voices and images as well I believe the best sell to these fans is interface.

lmao. man if they can up the programming and personalize it a real deal smart celeb bff lord.......they will have the souls of many.

This may be why so many group members are being allowed to leave without a war breaking out. Once they introduce this into kpop fandom wise this will change everything. After that experiment it will spread to different parts of the world slowly but surely. everybody gets their own person demon in an angel's body inside a screen..sigh. It's the closest the common person would get to having an actual robot I believe that would be way way to expensive but I won't doubt some people taking out loans to get one. The new wave of capitalism emotional money laundering.

blackpink will be having a vr concert on the 26th

Aespa already had one and since the concept is ai metaverse in it's inception this is most definitely not a one time thing

Sm has been ready for this for quite some time but because of gossip and company public distractions few paid attention of the bricks sm has been laying for the company and its artists future

"Addressing the tie-up in a statement, SM Entertainment CEO Sung-su Lee indicated that his company can “see the opportunity for our artists in the metaverse.” “SM is excited to expand our market to include metaverse content for artists using AmazeVR’s industry-leading VR technologies and proprietary concert creation tools. We’ve had a great interest in this market and see the opportunity for our artists in the metaverse,” the SM Entertainment head said in part."

This was a thought of mine awhile ago but it seems fans intense care for the idols has successfully allowed the companies to move the fans blindly into the next direction. I shouldn't have to say this is way bigger than music. Mark Zuckerburg has been pushing for the metaverse for a very very long time and it's no surprise that companies such as kpop one's who are always looking for new sponsors fell right into this global agenda.

Multiple movies have already been made

and it's interesting to see how people will respond, reject and eventually except this new reality since it's their favorite people pushing it to them

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The fact of the matter is that kpop fans don't owe artists anything. Nothing.

The kpop industry is using them to make you feel like you do. The kpop industry wants you to believe - and wants it badly - that you, personally, not spending enough of your time and money on a 16 year old is the reason their dreams are crushed. They want you to be emotionally invested in these artists, their dreams, their desires, their wins, their fails. And they want you to feel a sense of duty to them, because ultimately the more you feel you have an obligation to a kpop star or group the harder you will work to make them successful (and the less hard the company has to work to do the same). Every ad you buy is an ad the company doesn't have to. Every time you blame the fanbase is a time the company gets off scot-free.

It's part of the parasocial nature of kpop. It's why you get fans who genuinely want the fanbase to apologize to the group when they don't win music shows or fan-voted awards. It's why you get fans literally emailing the company en masse over scheduling conflicts. It's why you get fans spending personal income on music video advertisements on youtube or in times square.

And it's not healthy. You are not responsible for a korean 14 year old girl who wants to be famous one day, regardless of how cute, talented, or charismatic she is. You are not responsible for a 17 year old korean boy who wants to be a songwriter and for god's sake you're not responsible for any 29 year old korean man.

But the belief that you are is why people stream and vote so hard and get so upset when it doesn't pan out. Why wasn't the group successful? Probably because their company didn't promote them well, didn't release music the gp wanted to hear, didn't have the funds to advertise more, or just wasn't a good fit with the industry. But according to twitter, it's you. And fans will go to any length to artificially inflate their groups so they look like they're gaining traction they aren't.

And you see this with groups like Loona. I love Loona. I want Loona to succeed more than almost any other group in the industry. But people are so desperate to inflate Loona's numbers artificially that Orbits get called out for botting and fake voting way more often than other fandoms. "Orbits are bad because they don't st-" if there were enough Orbits, enough of them would stream. If Loona was actually as popular as we all want it to be, that would reflect on the charts. Period.

And so some of us, while we like the artist's music, just don't want to buy into the whole weirdly parasocial implication that anyone other than the artist and the company is responsible for making the group successful, or that the group ought to somehow be beating Blackpink and BTS and Twice at music shows despite not even being 1/4th as popular. That's a normal way to look at music. In fact, the Kpop industry is probably one of the only industries in the world who considers "regularly keeping up with a group's releases, talking about them all the time, and going to shows if possible" to be "casual listening". And it would be fine if you guys would admit you vote and stream all the time out of an abundance of passion. Because you like it. Because you have nothing better to do, so why shouldn't you spend your time doing whatever you want? That's respectable. We all have niche hobbies. Make as many emails as you want. Use as many VPNs as you gotta to get to those Korean charts. It's idiosyncratic, but certainly within your rights.

But instead you mfs pretend it's a bare minimum requirement to even like the group at all, and it's fucking weird.

i have no exciting advice to offer, just:

we dont care about streaming and voting here

reblog things

do not save gifs and repost them under ANY circumstances

we dont entertain fanwars at all

interaction is your new best friend

nobody cares if you were a big twt acc, nobody can see your follower number here. it means nothing