#PS: I'm super curious if the 'Cobham' mentioned here is a relative of Eleanor Cobham?
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wonder-worker · 3 months ago
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Hello, can you explain who sided with who from the peerage during Henry VI Readeption? Which side had more support?
Hi! I'm just going to post an excerpt from False, Fleeting, Perjur'd Clarence: George, Duke of Clarence, 1449-7 by Michael Hicks, which sums up the situation:
“The Readeption had enjoyed the military support of the Dukes of Somerset and Exeter, the Marquis Montagu, the Earls of Devon, Dorset, Pembroke, Oxford and Warwick, Viscount Beaumont, and Lords St. John, Wenlock and Camoys. Of those who had helped restore Henry VI, Clarence, Shrewsbury, Stanley, FitzHugh and Scrope had withdrawn their support; no former Lancastrians [ie: the ones who had made peace with Yorkist England in the 1460s] had returned to the fold and nobody had defected from Edward IV. On Edward’s return to London, he was accompanied by five dukes, six earls and thirteen barons, most of whom had probably fought at Tewkesbury. Lords Say and Cromwell had been killed at Barnet and other peers participated in the Kentish campaign against Thomas Neville, Bastard of Fauconberg. From this it is clear that almost the whole peerage, certainly all the greater magnates, were actively involved in the 1471 campaign. Edward’s army had a strong family tinge, as it included both his brothers, his brother-in-law Suffolk, Earl Rivers and the husbands of five of the Wydeville sisters. It was not merely a faction: there were others without court connections, such as Norfolk and Cobham. Clearly Edward enjoyed the general support of the peerage […]’
(If there's anything this hasn't touched upon, or if it's gotten anything mixed up, please feel free to add on or/and correct it!)
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une-sanz-pluis · 3 months ago
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#PS: I'm super curious if the 'Cobham' mentioned here is a relative of Eleanor Cobham?#I haven't been able to find any more information on him :(
I think the Cobham mentioned here would be Edward Brook(e), Lord Cobham. He was descended from the 'main' branch of the Cobham family, the Cobhams of Cobham. The direct male line of the family had gone extinct with John, 3rd Lord Cobham, and had passed from mother to daughter until Edward Brooke inherited. Eleanor was of the Cobhams of Sterborough line, which had split off from the Cobhams of Cobham line several generations before Brooke. They had a common ancestor in Sir John Cobham the Elder, who was Eleanor's 4x great-grandfather and Brooke's 6x great-grandfather, but Brooke descended from Sir John's first wife, Maud Fitzbenedict, and Eleanor from his second, Joan Neville. So, fifth cousins, twice removed. Based purely on their Cobham ancestry - I don't have their non-Cobham ancestry on hand to see if they had other other shared ancestry.
Interestingly, Eleanor's brother, Sir Thomas Cobham, died in 1471 but I've never been able to find out if he or his daughter (his only legitimate child) had any involvement the Wars of the Roses, much less which 'side' he was on.
Hello, can you explain who sided with who from the peerage during Henry VI Readeption? Which side had more support?
Hi! I'm just going to post an excerpt from False, Fleeting, Perjur'd Clarence: George, Duke of Clarence, 1449-7 by Michael Hicks, which sums up the situation:
“The Readeption had enjoyed the military support of the Dukes of Somerset and Exeter, the Marquis Montagu, the Earls of Devon, Dorset, Pembroke, Oxford and Warwick, Viscount Beaumont, and Lords St. John, Wenlock and Camoys. Of those who had helped restore Henry VI, Clarence, Shrewsbury, Stanley, FitzHugh and Scrope had withdrawn their support; no former Lancastrians [ie: the ones who had made peace with Yorkist England in the 1460s] had returned to the fold and nobody had defected from Edward IV. On Edward’s return to London, he was accompanied by five dukes, six earls and thirteen barons, most of whom had probably fought at Tewkesbury. Lords Say and Cromwell had been killed at Barnet and other peers participated in the Kentish campaign against Thomas Neville, Bastard of Fauconberg. From this it is clear that almost the whole peerage, certainly all the greater magnates, were actively involved in the 1471 campaign. Edward’s army had a strong family tinge, as it included both his brothers, his brother-in-law Suffolk, Earl Rivers and the husbands of five of the Wydeville sisters. It was not merely a faction: there were others without court connections, such as Norfolk and Cobham. Clearly Edward enjoyed the general support of the peerage […]’
(If there's anything this hasn't touched upon, or if it's gotten anything mixed up, please feel free to add on or/and correct it!)
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