#Like. It is sort of implied that Hera didn't fully understand death at the time? She died and then came back broken and in pain
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specialagentartemis · 2 years ago
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I would argue that to my recollection Murderbot in fact does not do a single on-page murder until Network Effect.  “These people are actively trying to kill me so I have to kill them back to protect myself/my clients/my friends” doesn’t count as “murder.”  Only in NE does it join its noble predecessors GLaDOS, Hera, and Breq in Actual Revenge Murder
#one of the things that makes me emotional about Murderbot is how consistently and explicitly non-revengey it is#Revenge does not drive it.  It is not out for revenge#mostly it just wants to live its life and be left alone and for the people who hurt and abused it to not be able to hurt it anymore#and once it gets free it doesn't ever seek out anyone who hurt it - individually or structurally - for revenge#It just wants to live its life. As it says to Gurathin: revenge is a stupid human way to think about it#(paraphrased)#It just... I don't know how to articulate it which is why this is in the tags and not a real meta post but. It doesn't want revenge!#It just wants to be free and safe and for the people it cares about to be safe and for the company to not be anywhere near it anymore#as distinctly opposed to Hera who tried to kill Hilbert after his betrayal at her first opportunity#It was partially preemptive defense - don't know what else he can do - but Minkowski considered him pretty neutralized as a threat#Hera wanted him dead.  Hera wanted to kill him for what he did to her#(and she is VALID I love her)#Like. It is sort of implied that Hera didn't fully understand death at the time? She died and then came back broken and in pain#She wanted to do the same to Hilbert#She's noticeably less enthusiastic about killing after Maxwell and Hilbert's actual deaths#GLaDOS meanwhile was Caroline who got brain-uploaded to a computer as she begged Cave Johnson to stop#and so the moment she got control of the facility she killed everyone in the whole company who let that happen to her#this is why she's valid#Breq is the greatest and I love her#that was an existing tag. Amazing#Breq is setting off to kill the space emperor less from a stance of political responsibility or principles but more because Anaander ordered#her favorite human's death#which is funny because it's for Awn but it's also kind of framed as a pain against /her/ too#(by funny I mean sad)#Whereas when Murderbot really and finally leans into Revenge Murder.  It's for ART.  What people do against itself isn't really worth resent#But these people killed ART#and that's what really sparks a murder rampage#it's interesting characterization for everybody really#The Murderbot Diaries
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elexuscal · 2 years ago
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#one of the things that makes me emotional about Murderbot is how consistently and explicitly non-revengey it is#Revenge does not drive it.  It is not out for revenge#mostly it just wants to live its life and be left alone and for the people who hurt and abused it to not be able to hurt it anymore#and once it gets free it doesn't ever seek out anyone who hurt it - individually or structurally - for revenge#It just wants to live its life. As it says to Gurathin: revenge is a stupid human way to think about it#(paraphrased)#It just... I don't know how to articulate it which is why this is in the tags and not a real meta post but. It doesn't want revenge!#It just wants to be free and safe and for the people it cares about to be safe and for the company to not be anywhere near it anymore#as distinctly opposed to Hera who tried to kill Hilbert after his betrayal at her first opportunity#It was partially preemptive defense - don't know what else he can do - but Minkowski considered him pretty neutralized as a threat#Hera wanted him dead.  Hera wanted to kill him for what he did to her#(and she is VALID I love her)#Like. It is sort of implied that Hera didn't fully understand death at the time? She died and then came back broken and in pain#She wanted to do the same to Hilbert#She's noticeably less enthusiastic about killing after Maxwell and Hilbert's actual deaths#GLaDOS meanwhile was Caroline who got brain-uploaded to a computer as she begged Cave Johnson to stop#and so the moment she got control of the facility she killed everyone in the whole company who let that happen to her#this is why she's valid#Breq is the greatest and I love her#that was an existing tag. Amazing#Breq is setting off to kill the space emperor less from a stance of political responsibility or principles but more because Anaander ordered#her favorite human's death#which is funny because it's for Awn but it's also kind of framed as a pain against /her/ too#(by funny I mean sad)#Whereas when Murderbot really and finally leans into Revenge Murder.  It's for ART.  What people do against itself isn't really worth resent#But these people killed ART#and that's what really sparks a murder rampage#it's interesting characterization for everybody really
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I would argue that to my recollection Murderbot in fact does not do a single on-page murder until Network Effect.  “These people are actively trying to kill me so I have to kill them back to protect myself/my clients/my friends” doesn’t count as “murder.”  Only in NE does it join its noble predecessors GLaDOS, Hera, and Breq in Actual Revenge Murder
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