#KJK is not a victim

[diabetesnscoliosis]

So are we just going to ignore how KJK herself shares company with far right men, refused to condemn the nazis showing up to her event with signs about “groomers” and proceeded to be incredibly classist in her other tours around australia? KJK has so many proven ties with the far right.

She probably didn’t intend for them to show up of course, but we can’t ignore context that led to this whole thing happening.

Because of the pandemic far right extremism has risen in my city. You can look up who KJK makes time for with her far right friends. These things didn’t happen in a vacuum.

[villainessbian]

Hello. Sorry if this question will be too controversial for you, I understand.

You seem like a well studied person, so I wanted to ask if you could help me research something I don't know where to start with.

Recently I've seen a growing discourse on twitter about... Whether trans women or trans men are more oppressed. And in my opinion, measuring the degree of oppression is very easy! But no-one in this discourse is doing that. You can do so by looking at the rate of poverty among different genders of trans people, and which group experiences more crime directed at them, and which group is more happy.

But I'm not sure how to find the research for that. I'm not an academic. Do you think you could help me?

Thank you 💗

Measuring the degree of oppression is not easy, I don't think these stats exist at all (because who would pay for them? no one with that kind of money wants us alive), and oppression is not the olympics.

Discourse-y things under the cut.

In my experience transfems seem to be "more oppressed" in the sense that the pressure to oppress transfems is stronger. Everyone agrees transfems are the ones that the overwhelming majority of discourse targets, even the people who disagree with the conclusion and say that this is proof of invisibility of non-transfem trans people. Find a random act of transphobic hate, and the likelihood that the person who did it even knows transmasc people exist to be a target isn't very high. Look at the "accidental ally" posts and 99.9% of them is bigots trying to be transmisogynistic at transmascs because they're used to transmisogyny.

And the final point - transmisogyny exists as a separate thing. Transphobia targeted at transfems, transphobia targeted at transmascs, generic transphobia targeted at everyone are three different expressions of the same thing. Transmisogyny is a separate thing on the side, and the attemps to mirror it with "transmisandry" or "transandrophobia" all just point to the aforementioned "transphobia targeted at transmascs" and nothing different, nothing specific. Transmisogyny stands "on its own" in a way, though it is specifically the interplay of transphobia and misogyny into creating something new. The way trans women (and transfems in general) are simultaneously not believable victims, easy victims, and "no, actually perpetrators" of interpersonal violence, especially sexual violence. It coexists *all at the same time* in people's minds that trans women are not women, and that desires that target women can and do target trans women. That trans women hold less power than other women to stop you doing whatever, but also that they hold more power than you on what you do so they're responsible for what you do to them. That trans women are dangerous, and that they're the easiest demographic to focus on for an attack. The theory that they're part of a secret cabal to control the world ("cabal" used on purpose - this theory HEAVILY overlaps with anti-semitism) coexists with the knowledge you can call cops on trans women and endanger their lives instantly even if you were aggressing them. When KJK/posie parker had her rally and Nazis showed up sieg heiling with a "destroy pedo freaks" poster, "pedo freaks" was aimed at trans women specifically. Hell, the terf rhetoric that does target transmascs specifically (all the lost lesbian/brainwashed autist/permanent damage to sweet kids/etc bullshit) assumes more often than not - if not always - that transmascs are passive victims of the horribleterrible "trans ideology" spearheaded by public enemy number one, the predatory "man in women's clothes/womanface."

In the purest senses of "who has the most kinds of oppression" and "who is targeted the most directly by oppression," transfems are "more oppressed" than transmascs, but just saying that accomplishes nothing and serves little purpose. You can't predict how easy someone's life is because of that. Is it also shit for transmascs dealing with all this? Definitely. And transmascs dealing with transphobia also have to deal with misogyny - this time not as an interplay, but as something that inevitably happens as a second step. When transphobia is aimed at transmascs, a huge part of it leads back to some "you should have been a woman and become an objectified baby oven" horror scenario.

The social pressure to hate transfems is stronger, there is a special social construct/social dynamic that materialised specifically out of trying to destroy transfems, but that's like comparing losing two fingers to losing a hand - we want no one to lose anything, not discourse about which one is worse. Recognising that transmisogyny exists doesn't serve the purpose of being a gotcha to transmascs, it serves the purpose of fighting transmisogyny. Fighting transmisogyny doesn't happen without fighting all transphobia. (It is possible to fight transphobia without going the "extra mile" to fight transmisogyny, which kinda leaves transfems behind to deal with their issues, but for all the internet discourse I've seen I've literally never met someone who did that. I've heard of bad people doing that because they don't care, but I haven't even heard of them on my continent).

Plus, everyone's situation is different. You can lose two fingers and die to gangrene, you can lose the entire arm and heal well. I don't see how stats would be able to accurately reflect the diversity of factors. You'd need to check for so many things. Weigh against time. There is no unbiased sample that doesn't figure in the millions at the very least with such a diverse group.

[honeyriot]

To the terf community: trans people are not a monolith. The real enemy is Nazis. Which are the majority of your camp. Most of the mainstream GC community identifies with the term and represent the largest demographic of terfs. The nationalist anticommunist antifeminist homophobic terfs. Which exist. You don't need reminding but KJK, gays against groomers, libs of tik tok, reduxx, ThePublica to name a few represent the majority. Like these organizations are antiblack, prolife, protrump and project 2025. And you think trans people are the problem? Have you seen Chaya Raichik's opinions? The fascist uprising works by coopting feminist and socialist organizations. That's what you are letting in the door by allowing these fascists to use rage baiting to grow communities they push right. Be real. Fascism is on everyone's doorstep and there are growing genocides. Direct your anger at Nazis, sexists and racists regardless of gender or identity.

To the trans community: Yes, there is a Nazi alliance with the terf community, obviously. But many of these young women and girls are oppressed, gaslit, and manipulated by these gigantic well funded transphobia propaganda machines. Women and girls are victims of atrocities and live under terror. Saying "kill all terfs" or any violent rhetoric against women or girls is misogyny. Because people call feminists terfs as a slur so it ends up meaning violence against any woman they feel they can justify, which is any woman or girl. So it's just misogynist and sexist patriarchal tropes. You are achieving fascism when you engage in misogyny. Just do what I do and accuse them of Nazism and they will backpedal because the allegations are real and true and they haven't quite thought about it enough.

[scentedluminarysoul]

Exactly. But watch them cower as soon as you fight back.

Someone on Twitter got addresses of Twitter TERFs, including high profile like KJK. They sent her tomato soup, and she confirmed it (afaik)

They are. Pissing themselves.

Screaming about doxxing (not a single address has been made public) and wanting to report them to the police. Oh, while literally doxxing them and publicly sharing private information about them

And a lot of them say hurdur brave shit, but disable the replies.

They are FLAILING

Bullies are cowards who can't deal with their victims fighting back

That's why the high road is bullshit. That's why "uwu we have to be better than them" is bullshit

Bash back