#If Crowley and Aziraphale lived together he'd constantly go to him with Aziraphale already knowing what's going on

[eissaphir]

So we've seen Crowley hiding goats against Hell's direct orders so they could live.

And we've seen Crowley yelling at people for feeding bread to ducks bc it's bad for them and that they should be given frozen peas instead.

I'm not saying that Crowley would adopt every stray animal he sees BUT—

[lenaellsi]

I've never understood what people mean when they say that Crowley is hiding the truth of Heaven and God's cruelty from Aziraphale to protect him or spare his feelings. That's like...the complete opposite of what Crowley does.

Crowley spends all 6000 years of their time on Earth together making snarky comments about Heaven and God at every opportunity. It's his opening line in Eden, and even before Eden, he meets Aziraphale and two minutes later goes on a rant about how unfair it is to end the world before it’s really started. "What's the point of making an infinite universe if you're only going to let it run for a few thousand years?" He's been forcing Aziraphale to grapple with God's plan literally since the moment they met. Those moments make up like half of the S1E3 intro, and it happens again in every single S2 minisode. "Same God that wants me to whack the kids?" "Tell her that poverty is ineffably wonderful and life is worth living. Go on!" "That's the trouble with you lot. You tend to see things in black and white." Like. Crowley's not trying to hide anything! He thinks Heaven sucks! He thinks God is playing a fucked up game! He tells Aziraphale that all the time!

Crowley sharing or not sharing the minute details of Aziraphale's failed execution is, honestly, a nonissue, and it's kind of frustrating to see it constantly brought up. We don't even know for sure that Crowley never told Aziraphale exactly what was said. Crowley says Aziraphale "doesn't remember it either," when he's talking to Jim--not that he doesn't know, just that he doesn't remember, because he wasn't physically there. But regardless of whether Aziraphale knows the exact words, he absolutely knows that Gabriel "tried very hard to cast [him] into Hellfire and destroy [him]." And he already knows Gabriel is an asshole. That's not news.

And I'm unconvinced that Crowley wouldn't have shared what he learned in Heaven about the Second Coming and Gabriel's trial over breakfast at the Ritz if things hadn't gone completely to shit. Here's my hot take: in the fifteen minutes he and Aziraphale had alone after he got back, he had other things on his mind. Would it have been helpful for Aziraphale to know? Eh, maybe. But honestly, Aziraphale is already aware that Heaven 1) is fully on board with the end of the world, and 2) has no problem punishing angels who try to stop the end of the world. Because, you know. They tried to kill him about it last time. And regardless, I don't think this is an issue of Crowley hiding things--I think he genuinely just forgot, because he was busy getting broken up with. If he'd thought about it, you bet he would have weaponized that to get Aziraphale to stay. And he kind of did! "When Heaven ends life here on Earth, it'll be just as dead as if Hell ended it."

And then there's the Fall, and yeah, fair enough. Crowley probably hasn't shared what the Fall looked like for him, and I think that's information Aziraphale could benefit from. Aziraphale clearly doesn't understand it--if he did, I can't imagine that he would have asked Crowley back to Heaven.

But that's still not Crowley trying to hide the truth about Heaven to protect Aziraphale's feelings, or whatever. He just doesn't want to talk about it! Because it fucking sucked! Crowley's communication problems stem entirely from his reluctance to grapple with his own emotions, and his reluctance to be vulnerable. Bitching about Heaven doesn't make him vulnerable; talking about his Fall really, really does.

Crowley has never once shied away from telling Aziraphale exactly what he thinks about Heaven, or the archangels, or God. He's constantly challenging him, forcing him to consider the people hurt by policy decisions like the Flood, the Crucifixion, Job's trials, or the "virtues of poverty." That's a huge part of their dynamic. Sure, he sucks at telling Aziraphale about himself--he doesn't communicate why he wants holy water, or that he's been living in his car, or anything at all about the Fall (as far as we know)--but when it comes to God? He is painfully honest. That's why Aziraphale is so unsettled by him. Crowley is generally very good to Aziraphale and conscious of his happiness, yes, but he's also not afraid to push him. It's baffling to me that people think that all he does is coddle him when we spend about half the show watching them bicker over this exact issue on screen.

[justacynicalromantic]

I might be wrong later, but I think episode 2 might be my all-time favorite. That ending just.... *chef's kiss😩🤌*

Some observations:

1.

Why no one brings up that Aziraphale's fear to Fall might be one of the reasons he so readily agrees to Metatron's offer?

Think about it - he believes he is a "bad angel": he constantly lies to thwart the will of God, his best friend is a demon (who he actually never calls his friend, he just uses phrases like "we go way back" and the like), he enjoys earthly comforts...... By all intents and purposes, he should have been punished with a Fall long ago, he haven't because he just hides his "sins" (which Crowley helps him with).

(btw, "That's how it's started for me. See you in Hell" - Crowley, after Azi visibly starts to question God's motives in his mind. So, Crowley DOES remember I guess. Plus, Crowley, again, shows he remembers when he mentions Job isn't punished for asking questions (unlike him)

Remember how agitated Azi got when angel Crowley started questioning God? People talk as if Aziraphale is too naive and doesn't understand what Heaven is, but it is actually vice versa - already at the beginning Aziraphale understood that "one toe out of line and...", it was Crowley who was naive enough to think "well what might they do to me if I just ask some innocent questions and put some useful suggestions. Doesn't hurt to ask". Look at Aziraphale's face when Crowley says that.

In other words, Aziraphale is scared as shit of Heaven (or more precisely what they can do to him).

Becoming the de-facto ruler of Heaven thus makes perfect sense. All his 6000+ years life, he has lived knowing he is different from other angels, that he is a "wrong" angel, and in fear of Heaven seeing it and punishing him for it. If he becomes the ruler of Heaven, he will make up the rules.

Him refusing the offer at first but changing his mind when Metatron offers to make Crowley an angel again ALSO makes perfect sense.

He would like to take the position for himself if he was on a one-person team, BUT he and Crowley are partners (in crime🤭), they got into all this shit together.

They are "an angel who goes along with Heaven as far as he can" and "a demon who goes along with Hell as far as he can", on their own they are lonely, together they are a team, but this way, they do not have to be alone together against the whole Universe.

Becoming Supreme Archangel protects Aziraphale from Heaven, but it doesn't protect Crowley from Hell or Heaven - so, at first, even if he'd want to take the offer, Aziraphale nobly refuses, because he is not leaving Crowley on his own.

It's not about "I love Earth so much and I don't want to go to Heaven at all, but if I can make Crowley an angel again, I agree to go". It's about "I am not leaving Crowley behind. Oh, I can take him back with me? Well okay".

2.

Am I tripping or Crowley and Gabriel are deliberately juxtaposed in the scene where Gabriel remembers God's words to Job??🤔

That "Yes, you can" from Crowley doesn't sound like he is pressuring Gabriel to remember, but like he is just stating a simple fact - as if he knows from experience it's possible to remember.

And the scene is positioned in a way that it feels like he and Gabriel are having a separate conversation, while Azi is an onlooker.

[hxfinnic]

i hate hate hate hate hate the god damn coffee theory (GO 2 spoilers)

I might not be saying anything that hasn't already been said but I gotta get this off my chest.

Aziraphale loves Crowley. He loves him more than he knows what to do with. But love isn't something celestial beings do. Love is for humans. THAT is why he hangs out with Crowley so much, he loves him and the only way he knows how to get that across is to spend time with him. Again, something that other celestial beings don't do. We see in heaven that its miraculously empty and no one really seems to "hang out" unless they need to for their jobs. Same with hell, demons are constantly stabbing each other in the back and only helping each other when it is mutually beneficial. Spending time with each other, trusting each other is how they show their love. Because of that it goes unspoken for so long.

Crowley, by far, hangs around humans much more than Aziraphale does, and he generally understands them better. He's incredibly invested in Earth and its inhabitants. Over the thousands of years he's been around he's seen them fall in love, holding hands and sneaking kisses when no one else is watching. It's something (I believe) that he deeply wants to experience. Secretly, I think Aziraphale does too.

But the issue lies in Aziraphale's constant struggle, between the two parts of himself: Duties to Heaven and his Love of Earth. Which is why, he hangs around with Crowley so much. They form some strange understanding with each other, while also managing to keep each other at an arms length. Because Crowley is good company and all but Aziraphale only hangs out with him because he believes that Crowley is actually good, instead of the blood thirsty and cruel demons he is accustomed to. BUT, when it really come down to it, when ever anything important arises, one that challenges how Aziraphale has been living he always falls back to the basics.

He is an angel and Crowley is a demon. There is nothing that either of them can do to erase that form Aziraphale's mind and it is the issue with seeing everything in black and white. Its not that he doesn't love Crowley as much as Crowley loves him, its that Crowley has been blazing his own trail for thousands of years. He constantly tows the line between what he's supposed to do and what he wants to do. Aziraphale doesn't have that luxury, not with the way he was taught to think.

So when Crowley kisses him, god, does he want to give in. He wants to experience something he'd watched humans do since the beginning of time. But, nothing will ever be able to erase the fact that Crowley is a demon and Aziraphale is an Angel. So when he gets the opportunity to bring Crowley back to angelic status, he jumps at it. Finally they can be together. There is nothing wrong with two angels being together, not anything that he can see. Its their chance, their one chance at something. But Crowley doesn't want it.

Its a rejection of everything Aziraphale is and he can't see why Crowley wouldn't want to come to heaven. Aziraphale want to help and do good, this is his chance and he won't pass it up. Eventually Crowley will come around...right? He always does. All Aziraphale can do is hope because he can't let his chance at doing some real good, to try and shape things so that everyone is happy.

So don't you dare tell me that Aziraphale went back to Heaven because of something as simple as a miracle channelled into a coffee. Or that he didn't love Crowley as much as Crowley did for him. He loves him more than anything he just doesn't know what to deal with that. Both of them are so so clueless that it causes them pain. (And the entirety of the good omens fandom).