#I’m the one you’re hurting when you vote j2
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sammyhale · 7 years ago
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J2 TorCon 2017 Main Panel
J2 jump onstage!
Jensen: Do you know what week it is?? We premiere this Thursday. 
Jensen is also talking about Jared being on Jimmy Kimmel this Thursday as well :)
“My dear friend Mr. Jared Padalecki will be on Jimmy Kimmel Thursday Oct 12th so tune in” - Jensen promoting Jared. Jared: Ackles warmed him up for me...so tune in guys, we’re gonna have some fun. Jensen: Yeah, it’ll be a big night. We’re very excited about it. 
What memory would Sam and Dean stick to if they died (like Bobby with his memory of the boys)? Jared mentions the flashbacks in Swan Song and the “I’m proud of us” moment. Jensen says a collection of good moments (bros reuniting, stuff with John, Mary, Bobby, Cas) but also those moments of killing big bads. 
What story would you extend/elaborate on? Jared says Demon!Dean and Soulless!Sam. Jensen: Dean in Purgatory. 
Fan mentions her Russian blue cat named Winchester. Jensen: It’s a blue cat from Russia. That’s all you need to know. 
Boys go off on accents and jokes. At one point, Jared says: “If there was a place in Toronto that served Vladimir Poutine I would totally go and take Winchester with me.” Jensen and the audience crack up. Jensen: That dude’s got a blue cat. And he’s eating poutine. 
Who would you vote as the most ditchable prom date of the cast? Jensen: Cas. Jared: Story-wise, probably Sam. This is gonna sound the wrong way, but, Sam probably should’ve ditched Ruby. Jared got the better end of the deal lol. 
Young fan says her name is Lilith. J2 very quickly back up and Jared knocks over his chair lol. She asks their favorite monster. Jared: I’m gonna say Lilith. Jensen: Me too, because if they’re all as cute as you, they’re my favorite. She says her fav monster is a ghost. J2 tell her that if she ever meets one, she should call her friends Sam and Dean. 
Fav childhood memory? Jensen: Very happy childhood, lots of good memories. For his fourth birthday he got to ride a horse for the first time. Wore his cowboy vest. Jared: He still has it. 
Jared: Now I feel weird about my answer! Broke his arm when he was seven and was in the hospital for a week, got spoiled in the hospital, getting candy, baseball cards...At the time, there was a rare card available where a player had written bad words on the bottom of his bat and the card company only realized it appeared in the image halfway through printing, so everyone was searching for the rare versions that had been printed. Jared’s dad would bring him a pack of baseball cards every day. 
If you could create an episode, what would it be. Jared: The world’s most boring episode. The boys doing their laundry. Wants to see Sam and Dean doing behind the scenes stuff. 
Jensen talks about a movie “Sliding Doors.” One choice that creates two split timelines and following both. Thinks that would be cool.
Advice for Sam and Dean in s13: Jensen: Knowing what I know, I would tell Dean not to jump to conclusions...talk amongst yourselves! Jared laughs. 
 Jared is trying so hard not to spoil anything: “I would say...not to get too attached. TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES.” 
Jared is doing accents. Jensen: Keep going you’re killing it. 
Fav part about working together? Jared: Days off. Jensen: Then we’re not working together. Both: TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES lmao. 
Jensen: There are a lot of things, but one of the best is that we laugh so much. In case you couldn’t tell. 
Jared talks about how it doesn’t feel like work, especially with the Sam and Dean scenes. 
J2 have spiraled into Coffee Talk impressions.
Any spoilers? Jensen: Prepare yourselves...for some interesting characters this season. Jared laughs and pretends to be shocked: I can’t believe you said that! Jared: New characters and you’ll see some fan favorites come back. 
If Sam and Dean could bring back one character? Crowd starts shouting names. Jensen: Did someone just say Jon Snow?  
Jensen: Would love to bring back Azazel...so I could kill him again. 
Jared chose Charlie, because she brings out a different side of the boys. Jensen adds Benny to the list, Jared also mentions Sully. 
Fan: Do you think Ruby will come back, mentions wanting Danneel on the show. Jared jokes that he would have to watch the kids and do the real work. Gen was able to come back for French Mistake but not sure if she’d be able to now. Jared agrees that he wants to see Danneel on the show, too. Jensen: She’s rockin’ three kids, too!
Jensen says that those decisions aren’t up to him. Says if they were the show would have been canceled a long time ago. Jared jokes about how if it was up to J2 they would just cast all of their friends. “Who’s that guy?”
Jared: What character would Danneel play? Audience shouts, Baby! Jensen: That could complicate things. Boys want to make a dirty joke but they cut themselves off lol. 
Someone in the audience is yelling out Garth. Boys can’t understand what they’re saying. Bunch of fans start yelling Garth, boys finally get it. Jared laughs and says it reminds him of Finding Nemo when the seagulls are saying “mine, mine, mine” over and over. He looked into the crowd and just saw a bunch of people going, “Garth, Garth, Garth” lmao. 
Jensen: If Danneel came on the show would you want her to be good or bad? Fan: Good. Jensen: But she plays bad so well. Jared nods. Jensen nods, goes to make a comment and cuts himself off lol. 
Fan: How does it feel to have fans like this? Jensen talks about how it took him awhile to really get it. Used to be more in his shell. Now he says it’s fuel for him seeing this kind of devotion. 
Jared is amazed at a fan’s incredible SPN body art. Boys are complimenting her on the amazing body art. 
Jared says don’t ever think that they think we’re “weird” for being too dedicated to the show. Because they are just as weird as us. Jared: If you’re crazy for spending 24 hours (on fan’s body art) then we’re crazy for spending 13 years. 
Fan: Was there a real Trickster, or was the lore about Gabriel? Jared thinks there was no Trickster, that it was just Gabriel hiding. 
Jared pronounced gif like jif. Jensen does not approve. Apologizes on his behalf for being silly lol. 
Any sport/activity you’ve always wanted to try? Jared mentions cricket, stunt driving courses...Jensen: Stunt driving is not a sport. Jared also mentions motocross. Doesn’t want to get himself hurt. Jensen: Kite surfing. Jensen says it needs to be a place without sharks. Fans: Great Lakes! Jensen: I don’t believe that. They’re in there. Just deep.
Funniest moment to film? Jensen: There are moments on a daily basis that make it impossible to film because they’re laughing. They mention the Chupacabra bit. 
Apparently Alex (who plays Jack) is like Misha 2.0 in terms of the boys messing with him lol :P J2M messed with Alex so bad the director, Nina Lopez-Corrado, actually kicked them off set. 
Jensen once told Jared to not speak in a scene so he didn’t mess around. Jared didn’t say a word and Jensen did his lines alone lol. 
Jensen says Jared can never get through telling a whole joke without busting out laughing before the punchline :P
Jared tries to make Jensen break during a scene, makes himself laugh and ruins the take even if Jensen is fine. 
Fan proposes Dark Angel crossover. Jensen thinks it would be neat, would want to recruit X5s to be on their side. 
If you had to live out a season of the show for a year, which season. Jared: Six, maybe?? At least I didn’t care, I was soulless. Also says season 9, maybe 10? Jensen: Season 4. Jared: What’d you do in four? Jensen: Nothing, that’s why I said four. 
Jensen is playing the keyboard for the last question. 
The fan is very flustered, it’s her first convention. Jared is comforting her. Jensen has been playing dramatic piano music all throughout the poor fan trying to get our the last question lol. The entire room is laughing and Jensen has not broken. The girl is overwhelmed and when Jared cuddles her to comfort her she pulled him into a hug aww lol. 
Question is about Adam’s whereabouts. She was a big fan of Adam’s and read a fan theory that maybe he got out of the cage. Jared: Now, to the cool stylings of Jensen Ackles...I think he’s in the cage. Fan joking around: Our half-brother’s in hell, let’s forget about him. Jared: Ehhh, yeah, it’s kinda true. But we do love Jake. 
Jared asks for Jensen’s opinion. Jensen, still playing: oooohh, yeaaaaahhhh.
Jensen snuck in a lower-back grab/pat on Jared as they headed offstage :)
Boys say thanks to the fans before taking off. 
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angelofthequeers · 6 years ago
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I actively call out Destiel shippers who attack and harass and are shitty (like when Jensen got death threats yonder ago) and that’s the difference between us and these “fans” who gleefully follow each other in spreading hate. And like, if you have to resort to rigging polls and furiously banning people who are “rude” (one of OP’s comments hilariously says that they’re only banning us rude ones but they’re banning literally everyone so even disagreeing with them seems to be rude) and even skewing the poll choices to try and foster bias, your ship clearly isn’t that legitimate at all. Destiel continues to win polls and foster a large and relatively healthy fanbase organically, without the need for cheating and rigging and smear campaigns, and these nasty people who loudly hate on anyone who’s not J2 just don’t see that. All they see is a personal attack, despite the fact that many people like me only fight back and never hit out first. I tried actively supporting a certain infamous bronly in a bad situation and only loudly spoke out against them when they were nice to my face but then laughed and mocked us behind my back.
What I mean by skewing poll choices is that Sam and Dean, Sam, and Dean are all separate choices (even though by their “logic”, why would you separate the brothers? Aren’t they one unit to these guys who seem to actively celebrate their codependency?) but then Cas, TFW, and everyone else are lumped together. So if you’re someone who, say, doesn’t like one or more of the recurring characters (like me with Lucifer), you’re probably less likely to choose the ‘everyone’ option because you don’t actually like everyone and you’re probably more likely to choose Sam and/or Dean (at least in OP’s mind). So OP is probably hoping that this will, in turn, screw over Cas and TFW by lumping them in with everyone else, except that it’s backfired because
a) most of us happen to see that this show literally wouldn’t survive with just Sam and Dean and
b) we actually like other characters and don’t unhealthily fixate on two of them and then try to push that horrible incest (which is a borderline trigger for me but let’s not get into that).
So even though we may not actually like literally everyone else, we pick that option for Cas or TFW, and lumping Cas and TFW together screwed OP over horribly because that’s giving that option the combined votes of people who love Cas most, people who love TFW equally, and people who love all/most of the characters, who may otherwise have picked one or the other as separate options. And judging from their polling practices and blatantly obvious bias, I’m willing to bet that all the votes for Sam and Dean, Sam, and Dean will be pooled together as though they were one option in a desperate attempt to claim that “these guys are the favourites, the poll says so!” By having them as three options, OP is trying to artificially inflate their chances of winning because we all know they’re going to be counted as one option, which is wrong because someone who voted for Dean may not have voted for Sam but their vote will still be counted towards Sam, which in theory could nullify their vote because of mishandling of data.
What OP doesn’t seem to understand is by creating more options for your preference, you’re actually hindering their chance of winning because all the votes you could have collected for the one option would be spread across these options. And like I said, you simply can’t count the votes for all three together because someone who voted for Sam did not vote for Dean. Lumping them in with Dean voters and Sam and Dean voters is skewing the results and mishandling their data. If OP had done this to the Cas/TFW/everyone else option then sure, it may not have backfired so horribly, but since they ship incest and see disagreement as a personal attack and gleefully badmouth Misha and Richard Speight Jr for no visible reason other than hurt feelings, I’m not inclined to think of them as logical.
Moral of the story? Don’t try and skew your polls in favour of your bias because they will backfire. This is why there are proper rules for gathering data and even though OP may reasonably not know them all, everyone knows that you aim for a large, varied sample size and you don’t try and force your own bias into it.
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https://twitter.com/DeanSamFreak/status/1083012909293285376
Everyone go vote for Cas / TFW!
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