#I love tmnt so much guys u don't understand

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ok i wanna talk about tmnt 2007 and the way i think this is the best version of a leo and raph conflict, and also leo as a character

for context i've been talking about tmnt things kinda chronologically, so i'm gonna mention an unconditional understanding in 03 i bring that up in a previous post about that show and the family dynamics in it here if u want context for what i mean

i think this movie can really be appreciated for the place it has between adaptations, and the way character-wise everyone is more or less the same as they've always been but with a more interpersonal relationship as the focus. the main villain of this movie doesn't really matter, the conflict, the fights, that's not where the strength is (although, it is reflected in the conflict and ill get into that)

so tmnt 07 is one movie that kind of combines the 90s movies, 03, and mirage all in one place, and tonally is is similar to the show that will come after it, 12. if the 90s movies give us conflict between leo and raph, and 03 gives us the unconditional understanding between the two, 07 takes these two aspects and creates a story out of it. (debate in your own mind if this movie is a literal sequel to the 90s ones or not, its not that important)

the set up of this movie is we are in a post killing the shredder world. leo has been told by splinter to go get training elsewhere, there isn't much context for what happened to cause this, but i would bet its a similar cause to 03, where he had ptsd and lashed out at his father to which splinter sends him to his grandfather to get better advice than he thinks he can give him. the difference here is there is no grandfather hes sent to, he's sent on a journey of self discovery around the world to learn about it and himself.

the thing about leo as a character, and this goes for all leos, he's has a very black and white way of thinking. leo thinks he's been sent away because he's failing his family, that he's not a good enough leader. so he stays away for longer because he doesn't feel good enough. he finds a place where he can help and he does that. leo always needs a bad guy to fight, or else he's fighting his own demons. so he stays there for a long time. finding a place he can help quietly, never letting anyone see him, and becoming a legend to the locals because no one knows what's really going down.

april manages to track him down and tell him about whats going on with his brothers, how they're holding up without him and without being a team, and i think thats a good reminder for him that they miss him. he doesn't tell april but he finds a way home only after hearing about this. when he arrives and speaks to splinter, he says "i was so caught up in my own world i forgot about everyone else, i'm sorry i failed" he still doesn't feel like he's done anything of worth.

i'm gonna jump in here and say, you know how we all love rise raph? cuz hes the big brother and some traits that come from that are like being overprotective and taking on everyone else's problems and trying to handle emotions alone? well that's a trait thats usually leo's. but the difference with leo is sometimes that concept doesn't make you as likeable. sometimes it means you come off like a nagging mother hen who thinks they know best but in an arrogant way. sometimes it makes you mirror being a parent when no one asked you to be. leo's less of a passionate character than raph, hes more analytical and full of himself. he takes splinters lessons more seriously, and hes always trying to do whats best for everyone so they don't have to worry. this is something evident with 03 and 12, but its so specifically noticeable here because these traits make up the main conflict. i just want to bring that up so we start seeing leo as no different than some of our other favourite iterations.

splinter responds to his apology by saying "you owe me no apology, but perhaps you should talk to raphael, your absence has been particularly difficult for him, though he'll never admit it" but when leo greets him raph is brushing him off.

on raph's end, this is him being angry that leo left, and angry that hes back and everyone wants to pretend that he wasn't gone at all. as if the time he was gone didn't happen. hes lashing out because he too cant handle talking about these emotions. and hes lashing out by becoming a vigilante in his own right.

i see a lot of people misunderstand what raph is doing here, that "this is what the turtles always do" or "this is the same as what leo was doing how could he be mad" when that is not true. that's what casey does. its true that both leo and raph have been fighting bad guys on their own (as a way of dealing with their issues) but raphael has made himself a costume to disguise himself which means hes prepared to be seen. hes riding a motorcycle around, which is loud. this isn't stealthy, this is aggressive. his vigilante name is in the news. the turtles are ninjas, they silently help where they can and fade into the night and, very specifically, they work as a team. these turtles live in a dangerous world, what if something happened to him while no one else was around? they would never know because he never told anyone.

so raph is lashing out, and leo doesn't have a good way of dealing with it. he tries to slide back into being leader, doing what splinter says but he forgets how his brothers are, and with raph egging them on they get into fights they shouldn't. which leo specifically gets in trouble for, as the oldest brother, and as their leader. leo tries to be this better leader hes supposed to have learned to be, but it doesn't work and raph ends up back out there in his vigilante get up. leo tracks down said vigilante, and in his peak "leo knows best" moment, lectures him, not knowing its his brother. there's a scuffle, and the mask comes off. let me point out that casey knew this vigilante was raph but his own brother didn't, because leo has been gone that long.

so lets get into what this fight is really about. on the surface, its "wow you've been going out at night alone putting yourself in dangerous situations with no backup" and "so what you're just mad that i can do it without you" which leo would be right about. and this is the analytical leo, he really thinks that's all that's going on here. what hes missing is that raphael has missed him as a brother, and hes hurt that leonardo left and just came back no big deal. that he wants everything to be normal. raphael is always a character with big emotions and the only outlet he knows to express them is violence.

leo, who as we've established, went away to learn to be better for his family is angry that raph doesn't see that. he's mad raph doesn't appreciate the effort he went to, and he thinks he's just angry because he's not in charge. each brother sees the other as being arrogant.

this leads them to the big fight. no one can disagree that this is the best part of the movie (seriously watch the movie for this scene if you haven't seen it before) , but the real best part of it is that raphael wins. raph proves hes just as capable of a fighter as his brother, if not more-so. he uses those sais as they're supposed to be used, catching leo's swords and in a fit of rage he fucking breaks them, leaving leo defenceless and completely vulnerable to attack. you'd think he'd be smug that leo lost but he pauses, going through a lot of emotions in a moment, questioning what he's doing, why hes doing it. and leo finally looks his brother in the eye and sees raph going through something he didn't before, realizing raph hasn't been angry that he's back, but that he's angry that he ever left. they don't have a conversation, because raph cant handle all these emotions and he runs away, crying as he does. leo just watches him, taking it all in and realizing the error of his ways.

hearing leo scream turns raph around, but he's too late to help him, and this is where raph regrets his own actions because right then, leo is also proven right in his argument. because he gets kidnapped. if leo hadn't chased raph down, there is a very good chance that would have been raph being kidnapped. with no backup, with no one knowing what happened to him. that's why its important that the turtles are a team.

raph goes home full of guilt, and there's a good moment of showing how he cannot open up emotionally here, because he grunts, punches the wall, knocks over some weights and forces splinter to ask him what happened, because that's how raphael is. he laments to his father that he finally understands why leo is the better son, proving that to raph none of this was about their team, but about their family. conflating the two ideas in his head. splinter gives him a talk that mirrors what he said to leo when he returned earlier in the movie, encouraging him that he is a good son and brother. this shows that these brothers have very similar insecurities about their value to their family.

the rest of the movie plays out as you expect, they go save leo, they stop the bad guy, they reconcile and behave as the team they're supposed to be. but i just want to point out that the villains plot is mirrored in leo and raph's conflict. the 'villain' here is a brother who has been cursed to be immortal without his own siblings. for 3000 years he lived to regret his actions and decided to undo his curse, but he used the cursed stone versions of his siblings to do so. no communication, just thinking he knew better (which maybe he did) and lying about it. that caused them to lie to him right back, and try to overthrow him and destroy the world. this is just one family whose inner turmoil could have destroyed the world. you might say, oh that's not a very interesting turtles villain, but its not supposed to be. its not the focus.

this movie is all about the complicated relationship between a family, and i see so many people talk about it by trying to ask who's right and who's wrong. that's not how it works. life is more complicated than that, people are more complicated than that. its boring to look at this movie and just say "leo is wrong and raph is right" because that's not even how the characters see it. this movie is about leo and raph being mirrors of each other in their arrogance, in their insecurities, and in their stubborn pig-headed refusal to let the other know how they feel. splinter says as much at the start of the movie. this whole movie shows that without each other, they need to be fighting something so they don't get swept up by their own emotions, which they are both bad at processing. they are SUCH brothers. they are so similar emotionally, yet they have such a hard time understanding each other.

personally 07 leo is my favourite leo for his complexity, his flaws his strength, his growth. its sad we never got those sequel movies to get into the other brothers heads as much as we got into leo and raphs heads.

also nolan north and james arnold taylor gave the best vocal performances in this movie and they deserve all the credit for it.

[sassatello]

Hi! I looked everywhere for you're art on Twitter since I saw you're integration AU way back but just couldn't remember youre username and then finally found you on Tumblr! I just wanted to say that you're TMNT art looks gorgeous and really like they're straight from the show! The way your draw them is a huge inspiration/Help for when I try to draw in the 2003 style!! Them with the clothes is also just adorable! They look so good! Since I saw that you don't want to continue you're Integration TMNT AU is it OK if I ask some questions to it? If not feel free to just ignore me, I'm really Curious about Alopex and Raphs relationship, did he bully her? How did they all lose they're limbs? Do you have some more info about they're Parents like they're personality or relationships with they're kids or past? How is the brothers relationships? I love the concept of oldest brother Mikey do you have some more facts of him? What's the reason for Donnie being afraid of Thunder? Are Raph and Donnie twins? Also The background characters look so cool! What inspired you to make a comic?

(Also also I remember about the Parents being ambushed in the flashback but I couldn't find some pages of the comic or some pages in between)

Sorry if it's a lot of questions, again just feel free not to answer if it bothers you!

AHH oh dear

first of all, thank you so much for the kind words! second, i dont know if i will be able to remember it all, because i havent touched it in about 3 years, but i will do my best.

Alopex and Raphs relationship, did he bully her?

Okay, from what i remember, not only did he bully her, but they were in the same clan and were VERY competitive.

How did they all lose their limbs?

Alopex one day just got so fed up that she literally bit Raph's arm off and they both got into trouble. Donnie was born without a leg.

Do you have some more info about their parents, like their personality or relationships with they're kids or past?

Kirby (dad) was one of the best martial artists that studied under Shredder I believe? And was a purple dragon too. But he quit his life of crime because he fell in love with Artemisia (mom) who studied under Splinter, who welcomed him with open arms.

Of course, Shredder being Shredder, was after the traitor and his family. So naturally, he got them.

Artemisia was a down to earth lady who know what she wanted and was very hard working and assertive (she was also a painter!) she was very understanding towards her kids. Kirby was more of a hothead who Loved his Wife very much and quit everything to be with her lol. He's also the kindest of the two.

How are the brothers relationships?

Mikey is the oldest so he does everything in his power to keep the everyone together :] Raph used to be very jealous of Donnie when they were younger because their parents would spend more time with the latter (in physical therapy and doctors, to keep his leg in check), and this made Raph feel invisible. Donnie kept trying to be friendly with him, and these two only got closer together because of Raph and Alopex' incident, and Donnie built his arm. Leo is very co dependent of his brothers. He used to feel very stressed with everyone arguing all the time, and he loves to see how everyones getting along now. He's also a huge snitch.

I love the concept of oldest brother Mikey, do you have some more facts of him?

He tries to be chill and cool all the time but he's a very stressed guy; if he had hair it'd be white. He gets help from Mona Lisa and her parents with aid for his siblings, and got to move back to his own house with them as soon as he turned 18. (he didn't want to cause the others any more problems)

What's the reason for Donnie being afraid of Thunder?

Witnessed his parent's murder on a stormy day, on the news of the physical therapy's live tv. as u do

Are Raph and Donnie twins?

yes

Also The background characters look so cool! What inspired you to make a comic?

Thank you! They were mostly mutuals' OCs ahah.

I build stories in my head as i listen to music and imagine scenarios. when im satisfied, i eventually want to do something about it! and not finish anything ever.

thank u for the questions :]

[writinandcrying]

I'd like a Match Up if you wanna! .o. Preferably for Rise but I'm familiar with every TMNT verse starting at '03 and forward if u thought of any others.

I'm just a gay/demisexual (a guy match plz!) demiguy (he/they) who's kinda short(?) I'm 5'5" at most but I haven't checked in a few years ngl. Appearance wise I shift between pastel or alt stuff is all.

I'm an ENTP and 9w1! I have a lot of trouble properly expressing or understanding emotions due to my Autism but I try to battle that by being blunt and asking questions! I'm also constantly stuck battling between people pleasing and my anger issues that make me wanna snap. To kinda combat that my anger is now p much pointed at myself so I don't hurt anyone or their feelings. But I'm trying to better myself with the "Do No Harm but Take No Shit" mindset. I generally make myself do my usual "im the funny friend" routine, but that lead to a lot of ppl assuming I'm stupid, so I'm trying to find a balance between that and showing other sides of myself :') I show my love through Physical Touch and Acts of Service! And I think I respond well to all Love Languages? Except I can be bad at accepting gifts bc of a dumb inner voice going "Oh so u manipulated them I to giving u smth" ...oop. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ahh I really like Animation, Horror, and Comedy shows/movies, especially analyzing them. I kind of want kids in the future? I'd be more willing if I trusted my partner with my Lows (hopefully they trust me with theirs too ofc) or if I could skip the baby part tbh. I really enjoy baking, reading, and video games, but I like physical activities when there's a sort of clear goal? Like playing Volleyball or Soccer, but not just a general run or jog. But I'd love to travel the world in moderation too, I just want to make sure there's always a great place to come back to.

In my platonic and romantic relationships I can be frustrating bc I tend to bottle stuff up so I don't bother anyone. If I felt comfy enough and knew I didn't have to worry about my Big Fear(tm) of Abandonment then I would slowly get better at talking about things. I'm also really forgetful when it comes to my own things, like forgetting to eat, drink, or sleep or if there was anything I needed/wanted to do.. I think the only pet peeves I have is if I feel Not Heard or listened to? Or just Disregarded? I've been told with how I analyze situations but focus on emotions help others when they're in their worst moments? Like helping calm my little brother down from when angry or helping my mom or friends out of their depressive moments.

Thank you for your time! <3

hi there! sure thing <3 ill go towards rottmnt cuz it has literally consumed 70% of my brain lately lmao i match you with...

Mikey!

Honestly i can see both of you helping each other out into maturing and personal growth, Mikey knows he's clever and also still learning along the way, don't even consider yourself a bother into asking him questions cuz he loves to answer them, and if he doesn't know something, he can just asks his brothers!

Dr. Feelings make frequent visits in your hangouts, he constantly reminds you to unwind and has relaxing exercises if he notices you are bottling too much, and if someone ever tries to take advantage of your "people pleasing taste" Doctor Delicate Touch will also show up to yell tell the person to bug off

he understands the feeling of only being seen in "one light"- all mikey's (i mean in any version) suffer from youngest sibling syndrome - struggling with not being taken seriously, so he does gives you extra attention in everything you say, do, your feelings, thoughts, and if you mean business, so does he.

Honestly for Rottmnt Mikey i think he enjoys all love languages as well lmao, his top 3 are def words of affirmation, physical touch and quality time, he loves gifting you stuff as well, but if you ever mention those "oh i manipulated them into giving me these" thoughts he will fight /argue with you, like, every-time. He doesn't really get it, he tries to be as gentle as possible with your feelings, but on this topic things might escalate, he really likes you and wants to show it as well!

he ADORES that you like animation and horror too!! i headcanon that later on Mikey becomes a fan of horror/thriller movies and video games, everyone @ the lair gets scared to watch/play with him so he's more than thrilled to play and hangout with you, Mikey never really thought much about volley or soccer, but after meeting you he gets so addicted to it, even start to watch volleyball matches (specially woman league cuz they are the best mwah mwah chef kiss)

Mikey knows its hard for you to open up, so when you finally feel comfortable to, all eyes and ears on you, you are the main priority at the moment. He begins to notice you sometimes go non-verbal lke his brother Donnie (Canonically diagnosed with autism) so he knows how what to do to make you feel better or more comfortable depending on the situation

overall: your relationship is compassionate, full with hugs, kisses, snuggles (he loves to shower you with affection fr fr) and loads of fun dates! lucky you!

hope you liked it! match ups are closed for now

[y0orpth]

@zombearzy tagged me in sum silly thing so I GUESS I will do it (I am bored) love u/p

3 Ships

I don't exactly ship anything that doesn't have to do with OC's, but for this, I will try to keep it to Canon characters only. Is it a coincidence all of these have to do with characters I kin strongly? Probably not. I obsess over specific characters when I kin them. that is probably the reason LMAO.

• Donatello x Casey Jones (TMNT 2012)

My one and only. To be honest, I haven't been that into shipping recently other than Jonatello. You can't look at those two boys and tell me there isn't gay tension. They totally want to kiss and hold hands secretly.

• Papyrus x Mettaton (Undertale)

An OG!!!!!!!! Dumb little guy pulls hottest hunk known to man! Metatton so got nervous holding his hand, and when Papyrus asked him what was wrong, he said it was just a robot thing and he wouldn't understand (He was feeling gay).

• Tillman x Glenn (BKMN)

Literally, my only reasoning for this is that I kin Tillman and Glenn is so hot. My baby girl. He would cuddle Tillman all day... little guys..

First Ship

I don't really know, If I were to guess it would probably be some cringey thing all the way back from the first fandoms I was in when I was around 11. Either something like Bonnie x Chica (FNAF), Toriel x Sans (Undertale), or Frisk x a friends minecraft OC (Undertale). Tbh it was probably Frisk and the friends OC, it was such a cute ship. Maybe ill make a OC based off that somehow :3.

Last Song

The last song I listened to is My First Kiss by 3OH!3!!! This is quite shocking because I usually only listen to Set It Off, Falling in Reverse, and Pierce the Veil. But I guess I'm just in a silly little mood right now!

Last Movie

The last movie I watched was probably the new Ninja Turtle movie, Mutant Mayhem. I watched it like 3 times in theaters, LMAO, and I don't watch/pay attention to movies when I'm watching them in someone's home.

Currently Reading

Currently, I'm reading the TMNT IDW comics! I got the book with the comics 1-12 , so right now I'm reading that, and when I'm done, I'll buy the second book! if it's not obvious yet, I have a very big hyperfixation with TMNT right now.

Currently Watching

Currently I am watching a couple shows! TMNT 2012, obviously, as well as Brooklyn 99 and What We Do In The Shadows. I've already watched Brooklyn 99 multiple times before, but I love how funny it is :3. What We Do In The Shadows is my favorite so far, though. It's a mix between Brooklyn 99 and The Office, only with vampires!! It's a bit sexual (mostly jokes, nothing super explicit) but it makes it funny so I think it's great!

Currently Consuming

Currently? Nothing. Just some water, but I'm about to make some chicken wings! or if my sister already got to them, I'll make some bacon :3

Currently Craving

Poutine. God I want pouting so bad right now, or some popcorn chicken. I'm craving so much! Cookies and cream milkshake.. Cookie dough blizzard.... Noodles!!!!!!! rahh!!! I want to eat the world!!!!

Now.. I will tag....

no one!! L!! suck it!!!!! I don't know anyone on tumblr. I'm just chillin' like a villain.

[fairy-writes]

Hola 👋☺️

I hopped on you acc and saw ur matchups open so may i ask for one ? 🥺.

Im so sorry its gonna be long so bear 🐻 with me.

May i ask for KNY, OPM and JUJUSTU KAISEN matchup please?

Im 5'2", short black boy cut hair, dark choco eyes,i have myopia and wear glasses,im chubby too, my style is anything that complements my body also looks cute.

I dont have a favorite food but i absolutely despises sweets(or anything that contains sugar or milk). But i love Spicy 🔥 foods. I love lofi/reverb/slowed version of songs.

Coming to main points, I LOVE THE SKY, CLOUDS, STARS, MOONS,WIND AND BIRDS. I feed bout 50-70 pigeons everyday(they are the local pigeons of ny neighborhood) its a sight to behold, most of my neighbors have recorded it.

In a relationship i am th biggest supporter of my partner, I'll alway be there for them no matter what situation I'll be in. I really want a guy who is super sweet and kawaii but strong and responsible underneath but won't show that. Going on dates twice a week, CaRinG and ProTeCtiVe. He'll be the sun 🌞 and ill be the moon 🌙. Any kind of date is fine with me. Love language is Quality Time and words of affirmation. Im okay with holding hands and forehead kissing (too much sappy?). StArGaZiNg. The kind of guy to buy all ice cream flavour for you bcus u said u crave one but didn't mention the flavour. The kind who knows you're in a bad mood by hearing you voice. The kind to show up at your school or college to pick you up. The kind to cheer for you when you're giving a presentation or receiving a prize.

I apologize for it being so long (ಥ╭╮ಥ). No rush take your time. I can understand writing matchups and hcs takes a lot time to think it through cuz i used to own a tmnt matchup blog too. So don't worry ☺️ 😉 ill be here.

Hello lovely! I hope you like your matchups! Unfortunately, I couldn’t remember whether you wanted male or female, so I hope this is okay! This will probably be the one and only OPM matchup I do. I’m just not familiar enough with the characters to do multiple matchups.

Demon Slayer Matchup: I pair you with… Rengoku Kyojuro!

Rengoku is taller than you at 5’9 ½,” and he loves your glasses! He is always complimenting you and your sense of style too! He’s also a massive fan of spicy foods, so the two of you bond over going out to find the spiciest bowls of udon you can!

The two of you spend a lot of time outdoors together. Rengoku particularly likes sunrises and likes to wake up early (or stay up late, depending on when he works) to watch it every morning! He also thinks it’s fascinating that you feed so many pigeons every single day!

Rengoku is your biggest supporter, so the two of you are both balls of sunshine supporting each other! Sanemi refuses to look your way when the two of you are together because you are too much for him to handle (really, he’s just jealous he doesn’t have a S/O). His love language is likely physical touch and words of affirmation. He loves to hold your hand in public to make sure you don’t get lost and loves to tell you how much he loves you!

One Punch Man Matchup: I pair you with… Genos!

(sorry if he doesn’t exactly match, there are not many options in OPM, and I’m an anime-only person)

Genos is a whopping 5’10” and loves you with every fiber of his being! More than he loves learning from Saitama, and that’s saying something! He doesn’t have a preference for food. He’s a cyborg, after all (can he even eat? idk).

One thing Genos loves to do is scoop you up and hold you on his back piggyback style and give your rides so you can fly through the clouds and the sky since you love them so much! He also helps you feed your pigeons every day without fail. He likes the simplicity and monotony of it.

He loves that you are such a big supporter of him and his hero work! He tries to keep you out of his hero work as much as possible for your safety, but over time, he slowly lets you in. His ideal date is just staying in and cuddling with a movie and popcorn over going out to a fancy restaurant. He just likes keeping you safe!

Jujutsu Kaisen Matchup: I pair you with… Yuji Itadori!

(this is a platonic matchup since Itaori is under 18)

Itadori is the shortest out of the three matchups at 5’8”! He has more of a sweet tooth than you do but loves all food! I mean, if he can handle eating fingers, I don’t imagine he’s too picky about what else he eats. So go and hang out at fun food joints and order tons of spicy food! He’s also down for a challenge so find spicy food challenges to take him to!

The two of you spend a lot of time outside. Whether that’s going on jogs (which Itadori loves) or just cloud watching (which sounds more your speed), it’s okay with him! He’ll also happily help you feed your pigeons and even names all 50-70 of them! Can he keep them straight? Nope. But does he try? You bet he does!

Even though you two aren’t dating, you still support Itadori in everything he does! You support him in his endeavors to find all of Sukuna’s fingers and in his schoolwork! He isn’t the most responsible; he’s actually a bit airheaded. But he tries his best! Overall, 10/10 would recommend this boy as your best friend!