#I just woke up and I'm drinking coffee you're getting my stream of consciousness
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every so often the positive accounts I follow on twitter reference a discourse that was apparently very large and that I missed entirely. this btw is how I learned that apparently holdo was center to a lot of fandom discourse and not apparently just used to punch down at the man of color (which is the only thing I ever saw at the time). And like sure she's got pink hair and pronouns and she's pansexual and a woman so like on some intellectual level I understood there was probably some of that because if a woman so much as breathes, sexism pops out, but damn I had no idea it was apparently that much.
#do I want to fight her? Yes. Do I like her on some level bc she's Leia's friend? Yes. Do I love that she doesn't exist to be likeable#and she's a very complex character and has a lot of flaws? Also yes!#do I wish there's a universe where she gets to be Poe's psuedo hippie aunt instead? God yes that's what they deserve the fo wouldn't surviv#dID I GET UNEXPECTEDLY DEFENSIVE THIS MORNING LIKE 'no no no that's MY anti blorbo if you're gonna dislike her#dislike her for the Correct Reasons not that she's a soft spoken feminine woman????'#anyway now I'm wondering if this is why I saw that post that was like. 'leia went lesbian with laura dern'#is it cos she's pan...? eye?#I mean I definitely think they fucked at some point#at all times I'm spinning her around in my head. delightfully well written character who my feelings remain ever fomplicated towards#but I adore that she's written the way that she is I love that women in sw DONT EXIST TO BE LIKEABLE#they wanted a hard ass boss that no one could like or trust including the characters and made that a WOMAN and she's the like.#exact opposite I think of how most people would envision a hardass boss that's a woman#she's very feminine! she's soft spoken!#if you're gonna dislike her you could dislike her idk for that bedpan duty comment Jason Fry made her make#(held that against her for a while cos ew ableism but Jason Fry seems to. make everyone he writes more harsh and rude for some reason?)#(seriously has anyone noticed that?? Am I just too polite and go 'what the hell!' when characters aren't written like that)#(so anyway I ignore it now)#I just woke up and I'm drinking coffee you're getting my stream of consciousness#shutting up now dndjdjdkd#nym speaks#tl;dr she was mean to Poe and I don't wike that or how she represents imo a lot of issues the NR had but I do appreciate a well crafted#character who doesn't exist to be likeable and is a lot of fun for that reason#anyway so. go me I guess I missed a good chunk of tlj discourse#which is a terrifying prospect bc holy shit I was already neck deep in seeing tlj discourse HOW MUCH MORE WAS THERE
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