#I feel like Rand's mental state is one giant YMMV really
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neuxue Ā· 5 years ago
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(Part the 1st)Now that you are in the Chapter 50-52 bubble, I wanted to share something. I've messaged you before about how your continuous comparisons of Rand and Egwene's arcs helped/caused me to see the depth and complexity of their relationship, and the way in which Egwene acts as Rand's counterweight in the series, providing the a balance to the Dragon Reborn in a series that is, at its heart, about how vitally important balance between forces is (at least within a strict binary system).
(Part the 2nd) In light of that I wanted to add that I had previously been a little dubious of your theory that Lewā€™s Theronā€™s voice in Randā€™s head was actually a defensive construct and not necessarily Randā€™s madness. It just felt like the writing was so clear that LTTā€™s voice was legit, and maybe it is on some level. But I was recently rereading earlier sections as part of another read along (it covers 1-2 chapters a week and is in the TSR, who will finish first? :P lmao). But I noticedin the lead-up to the battle outside of Cairhein against the Shaido, there are SEVERAL instances of Rand just suddenly *having* memories or knowledge from LTTā€¦ and at this stage there was no voice at all. The voice doesnā€™t appear until AFTER Rand nearly runs himself to exhaustion in that battle. And itā€™s presented so faux casually (as in, itā€™s a big deal and itā€™s pointed out, but within the context of us seeing the beginning of Rand experiencing the Taint. Much like the Jokerā€™sline in The Dark Knight about people being ok as long as events are following ā€œThe Planā€ even if The Plan is horrific. We are expecting to see Rand loosing it, so we donā€™t really over analyze it when it happens) if I had not been primed by reading your analysis from that perspective, I probably would have just KEPT reading and not noticed, so once again; thank you for this blog and for adding ever more depth and meat to this series for me!
Yeah, I do talk about this one a lot. Iā€™m glad it works for you!
And in my defence, itā€™s because most of the time Iā€™m trying to work out whatā€™s going on, as new information comes in and things change. Because itā€™s definitely taken me a while to figure out whatā€™s happening ā€“ and I could very well be wrong! This is one where I think thereā€™s a whole lot of space for different reader interpretations, depending on what makes sense to you (and, honestly, on what feels more satisfying to you; I often feel like explanations of a characterā€™s internal landscape or mentality or psychology work better when theyā€™re left a bit open to interpretation).
Your description of it as a ā€œtheory that Lews Therinā€™s voice in Randā€™s head was actually a defensive construct and not necessarily Randā€™s madness. It just felt like the writing was so clear that LTTā€™s voice was legit, and maybe it is on some levelā€ is interesting because I never really thought of it in those terms; this is partly no doubt because Iā€™ve been trying to work it out as the story unfolds, but also because I think the very nature of the wholeā€¦situation in Randā€™s head also changes as time goes on. But I suppose youā€™re right; that is sort of where Iā€™ve eventually ended up.
That is to say, yes, I think at this point in time, what is portrayed as Lews Therinā€™s voice is not an accurate representation of Lews Therin Telamon as he was in life, and is more something Rand has ā€“ inadvertently and more or less subconsciously ā€“ created, as a way of dealing with something that probably absolutely no one is actually equipped to deal with.
But I think initially it was much closer to a manifestation of Lews Therinā€™s actual personality and thoughts, as they might have been if he were there to experience what Rand does. And in between then and now, we see a transition.
Itā€™s something I definitely want to focus on more closely in a reread, because again, my own understanding and interpretation of whatā€™s going on has changed so much as the story progresses, so I think itā€™ll be different looking at it from the perspective of having seen the whole thing.
That said, I see it as progressing something like this:
We start with not even a voice, but just occasional things Rand seems to know, or remember, or be able to do, that he has no business knowing in this lifetime. Itā€™s like that barrier between lifetimes has been thinned and torn, and then things start to slip through. Itā€™s hardly even noticeable at first.
Until it is, and we move into the beginning of an identity crisis, with Rand occasionally responding to Lews Therinā€™s name and not his own, or not even realising when heā€™s saying something that comes from Lews Therinā€™s lifetime/memories rather than his present one. Because he has all this extra stuff in his head, and right now itā€™s not compartmentalised at all, so he starts to get a bit lost in it, or inundated by it, and he doesnā€™t have a way of anchoring himself against it (because what is himself?)
Then it starts to become not just memories and thoughts, but an actual voice. Initially, like I said, I do think this is probably very close to how Lews Therin himself would have sounded; lines like ā€˜I would burn the world and use my soul for tinder to hear her laugh againā€™ certainly seem like something that would come from Lews Therin Telamon. But thatā€™s part of the same extended scene where we get ā€˜for a moment, he could not remember his nameā€™. This is the barrier actually starting to dissolve in places, and Rand is no longer ignorant of whatā€™s happening but is terrified by it (and as a reader, I was as well! Iā€™m a proponent of reunification now, but at the time? Yeah, watching your protagonist forget his own name seemed like a sign that All Is Not Well), and ā€“ crucially ā€“ has no real coping mechanisms for it yet.
That is, I think, where we start to see a transition from a clear distinction between Lews Therin Telamon and Rand al'Thor (perhaps ironically, as I think a lot of what happens next is because Randā€™s afraid of losing himself). Rand asserts his own identity in TFoH (itā€™s a major part of the climactic battle, even), and in doing so he more consciously sets up this distinction between himself and Lews Therin.
Despite that, though, the barrier between lifetimes is eroding (this, I think, is the taint madnessā€¦I personally headcanon this as being the same for all saidin users, but people react to it differently and it manifests differently in each of them), so more of Lews Therinā€™s memories and knowledge and even personality are there, accessible, in Randā€™s head.
So I read it as Randā€¦creating his own barrier, in place of the one thatā€™s falling apart, in order to hold on to what he defines as himself. Itā€™s a self-vs-other kind of divide he sets upā€¦but this time heā€™s the one defining it, which means we see it manifest a little differently than the one the Pattern put there for good reason.
From aboutā€¦oh, Lord of Chaos onwards, we get what I see as a gradual transition from Rand al'Thor 100% on one side of that barrier and Lews Therin Telamon 100% on the other side toā€¦a barrier being there, but a mixing on either side of elements from eachā€¦personality? Lifetime?
Because Rand starts using the voice as a tool, as something he can point to and say ā€˜that is a madman; I am saneā€™, or as a source of knowledge, or as a touchstone of sorts, or as someone to bounce ideas off of, or ā€“ I think ā€“ something he can contrast himself with. Like a mirror he can look into, not to see what he is but to see what he is not (what he refuses to be).
And itā€™s this last one thatā€™s crucial, because this is what I think causes a lot of the shift in the first place. Rand knows he is Lews Therin Telamon reborn. Rand knows what Lews Therin Telamon did. And above almost anything else, Rand is terrified of doing the same. So we see him deliberately setting anything that falls under ā€˜not myselfā€™ or 'madnessā€™ or 'killing everyone you loveā€™ in contrast with himself; he uses it as a way to set some of those thresholds (that he later crosses), to set himself up as distinct from all the things he refuses to be. He needs to see them as separate entities in order to hold to a) his identity, b) his sanity, and c) his hope ofā€¦not a second chance, exactly, but of not repeating Lews Therinā€™s fate. His autonomy, I suppose.
But then we start to see that shift, as well, because now itā€™s no longer the actual barrier between lifetimes that seems to exist (and for good fucking reason) in everyone, if this is a world in which everyone is someone reborn but no one remembers their past lives; but is instead a replacement barrier. A barrier Rand has made for himself, in order to keep his identity and sanity and autonomy safe.
Because ultimately hereā€™s the thing: Rand and Lews Therin arenā€™t separate, really. Rand is Lews Therin reborn, so itā€™s the sameā€¦person? Soul? Entity? Whatever you want to call it, but with two distinct lifetimes and thus sets of experiences. Itā€™s just that the files have been corrupted and thereā€™s this weird bleedthrough, so the separation isnā€™t working the way it should, and everything we see next is Rand trying to, essentially, figure out from this mess of two lifetimes who he is (and who he wants to be). Does that mean shutting one entire lifetime away? But what if some of it is useful? Maybe some of who he is now is anathema to him, given what he has to do, so maybe itā€™s better if that gets shut away. Maybe he should take some of that old knowledge, maybe he should recombine some things (maybe he should learn from his past, both successes and mistakes, so that he can take this as a true second chance). But to go from zero to just accepting the whole thing is uhā€¦unrealistic at best, so instead we see Rand struggling with it, and the situation evolving as a result of that.
And yes, I think a lot of this comes from how everything is presented in the story, and how it unfolds, and how weā€™re primed to interpret it. Itā€™s one of my favourite aspects of Randā€™s character and arc, honestly, and is definitely something I intend to spend some more time on during a reread or post-series.
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