#CK Negativity

[sawthefaeriequeen]

#robby stans be like (@macchiatosdumptruck)

i fucking hate it when a movie or a tv show does some shit where a character has a shitty dad and another character tells them to forgive him because. "it's your dad". that means nothing. more people should be killing their fathers.

[shootfighting]

I was so naive to think that Johnny's defining character arc would be making amends to Robby.

[eemcintyre]

Oh my fucking word

Tell me the creators of this show fucking hate Mr. Miyagi and Daniel and everything their style of karate stands for w/o telling me they hate Mr. Miyagi and Daniel and everything their style of karate stands for

Also why in the name of fuck does Daniel, of all people, have to “look at himself in the mirror” when we have frickin everything about Johnny still?? Be so serious. Be so for real right now.

This show was written by high school bullies who completely missed the point of the original films

[laniidae-passerine]

the devil couldn’t get to me by normal means so he invented the cobra kai writer’s room

[white-kings-knight]

This needs to be re-blogged a thousand times. We've seen them downplay serious topics in Robby's arc in particular. More people should have been on their ass after season 4 when they equated Robby's mistakes with Kenny to Johnny and Daniel's treatments of him when the two things are not even on the same planet.

This also casts some (more) doubts on their writing of Sam. They originally wanted her to apologize to Miguel in season 1 for his behavior until Mary and Xolo had the good sense to challenge them. But it seems that just delayed what the inevitable. Sam subsequently got scapegoated for the problems in their relationship and the school fight in season 2, when she was intoxicated and Miguel was sober. The writers let the character and actress take so much abuse and even worked it into their show (the other parents telling Daniel and Amanda it was her fault for screwing around in season 3). It emboldened the misogynistic members of the audience to attack her in numerous ways (WatchParty being the biggest), and that's before we get into the toxicity Robby/Tanner got just for existing.

It's super messed up that the two big legacy kids are the recipients of arcs that put unrealistic expectations on trauma victims. Sam already had weird double standards in her arc about consent and being blamed for male violence, but now Robby takes the cake with the SA. Their trauma isn't treated with the same respect as their dads or their rivals. It's sickening, and honestly? I don't feel bad for Hayden or Jon at all.

Yesterday, I made a post about the Cobra Kai subreddit mod controlling the conversation about the SA. They were gaslighting in their comments about why they were stopping fans from claiming that Zara SA'd Robby.

I took down the post this morning after seeing Hayden's tweet:

I and many others have tweeted at Hayden expressing our utter disgust at his claim. He not only denies that this was assault. He gives his narrow classification of what assault is.

Thinking back on my post from yesterday. I stand by every word about that mod. He was trying to control this conversation. He, like Hayden, is an enabler of assault.

Zara SA'd Robby.

This is a fact that so many of us are pointing out to Hayden. He is honestly a disgusting person for saying what he said.

Robby was clearly portrayed as not being able to give consent. It doesn't matter that he blamed himself afterwards, as in that doesn't absolve Zara and make him at fault.

A fan on ig made a story and @ the writers.

Jon viewed their post and had a dm with them:

Although Jon is admitting that he agrees with her definition of consent, which implies that he is agreeing that Robby didn't give his consent, this is a meager step in fixing the damage and hurt that they have caused. It was a private dm that she had made into a story; not a public statement made by any of them about this.

Not only was assault blatantly portrayed. Robby was blamed for it, and it was framed as cheating. Now, Hayden has essentially denied that consent is needed and that this would be assault only if Zara had done one of 3 specific things. Fuck him!

Their entire narrative is framed in such a fucked up way, and now this!

This is a mess. They don't plan to address the assault and claimed it wasn't one. Now, they have to backtrack...

But they still won't fix it in canon. They won't make changes to Part 3 to fix this. It's highly unlikely. The person on ig even said that she is an SA victim who is still seeking justice and is now so upset not only because of Hayden's comments but also because Part 3 won't give Robby justice and Zara will get away with it.

For so long, I've been calling out all the neglect and abuse Robby is subjected to. "See something, say something." I don't care what the writers intended. Like in this SA situation, I hold them accountable for what they portray. It's their responsibility to understand the shit they put out into the world.

As much as I hate all this, this is finally something that those fucked-up writers have to answer for. Fans are pissed off and skewering them for this.

I'm curious what they'll do next. Can they really pretend that this didn't happen? That they can market Part 3 without properly addressing this situation? Or that Part 3 won't be scrutinized for not addressing the assault and maintaining the claim that he is at fault and cheated although he was clearly assaulted?

Hayden's comments make it impossible for them not to address the assault in canon, but they're already done with post-production of Part 3.

This is a shitstorm for them, and frankly, it's about time they be held to the fire about something.

[cobra-wives]

ngl i dont like complaining but i’m a bit upset about how quickly we jumped over from tory’s mom dying to… keenry relationship drama. im seriously peeved about how many people are boiling tory and robby’s characters down to being romantic partners, and i don’t think the writers understand how leaning so heavily on keenry weakens both the individual journeys robby and tory go on — robby with his father/role as miyagi do’s captain/brotherhood with miguel/running in 2nd place, and tory with her mother/role as ck’s captain/relationship with kreese/betrayal of her friends. they CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT be each other’s personal saviors; they HAVE TO SAVE THEMSELVES.

[robbyykeene]

So we have Zara (asian) sexually assault Robby, Kyler (asian) sexually assault Sam, Kim Da Eun (asian) physically assault Tory, and Sensei Wolf (asian) physically assault Axel. Hmmm I wonder what the connection could possibly be….

[rosie-tyler]

The world if Cobra Kai was written by the Cobra Kai cast

[gondorsfinest]

thoughts on ck 6x10.

You need to be a fantastic writer to pull off a ‚heartfelt action comedy’ tone after big tragic moments and make it stick the landing. From what I’ve seen so far, I doubt that the CK writing team has what it takes to do that and avoid massive emotional dissonance in tone.

CK wants to have brief tense & tragic moments but I don’t get the feeling they want to lean into tragicomedy as a genre.

I predict they’ll lean into the heartfelt vibes for the last third, heavy on „nostalgia / wisdom / growth“. And it’s going to feel massively unearned because they aren’t enough sensible plot strands and solid character arcs to build it on. It won’t feel like a natural conclusion.

personally I’m just not that excited for the arc of ‚hell yeah we have the most badass fights! show em who’s boss! fuck yeah! oops someone died. anyway with great power comes great responsibility. and that’s what mr miyagi’s true legacy is. now everyone fuck off to college and don’t forget to believe in yourself <3‘

Not to mention how ironic it’ll be to hear ‚real karate isn’t about punching and kicking, it’s about personal growth’ after the showrunners prioritized choreography over characterization for multiple seasons.

If you actually BELIEVED in that premise it would show in your writing! YOU decided punching and kicking was more important than personal growth! YOU reverse-engineered one cheap nonsensical plot twist after the other just to set up the fights you thought would be cool. Give me a break!

[just-v]

The thing about nobody going after Tory is another case of “because the writers said so.”

That’s it.

Realistically, Robby and Amanda would have 100% gone after her. The reason they didn’t is just because the writer’s wanted to move the story along.

I think there’s plenty of out-of-character things that go on in CK, but I think this is the thing that bothers me the most

[sp1tbunni]

I wanna know what type of crack the writers were smoking cuz who idea was it to make Mr.Miyagi have a backstory where he's a fucking criminal?! Cuz that doesnt make no fucking sense at all regarding his damn character, like tf were they thinking.

[billy-royalton]

this is the johnny lawrence apologist headquarters and all so i am here to say that kreese showing up fucking triggered johnny's fight or flight like nobody's business and of course he did. like. i get that. i follow that line of thinking.

but also. my guy. how is fighting with daniel and splitting the fucking dojo AGAIN going to help you "put kreese out of commission"? explain that one to me. explain that line of thinking for me please.

[ifchickenscouldfly13]

I’ve been wanting to talk about this for such a long time and now with the bullshit Miyagi plot line I think the time has truly come. I find it truly mind boggling that the creators act like super fans but don’t even have a cultural understanding of Mr. Miyagi as a character. I mainly say this because of the “Easter Eggs” section on the season 1-2 DVD, the lack of knowledge has always pissed me off.

Like…What? I’m sorry…..those are offerings!!!

A quick ass google search could have told you that.

The late great Fumio Demura at a similar shrine:

Like, how could you miss the significance of that? That’s crazy to me. Especially considering that RMK literally wrote the originals with such care and love for the culture. I don’t know, man, just one of those things I’m constantly reminded of.

[tournament-terror]

taking a movie trilogy that has subtext hinting at the dangers of war and imperialism, and turning it into a sell out netflix franchise that idolizes fighting and war is the worst thing you could do to “honor the legacy” of said trilogy.

jon josh and hayden i hope you die

[thecranekick]

hey so maybe i have a horrible memory and there’s a perfectly good reason for this that i can’t remember. but now that i think about it why did they have chozen take johnny around to look at rentals as if he’s chozen’s child that has never been on his own before and can’t handle normal human interaction. why would johnny not have gone with carmen, miguel, and robby to look at houses considering they’re presumably the ones that are going to live there and raise a newborn there?????? why do they all (and the writers in general) treat johnny like he’s completely incapable of doing anything ever???????

like i get that if the whole show was 100% realistic we wouldn’t really have a show (because let’s be honest, 90% of this show would just Never Happen), and i get the ‘comedic’ value of those scenes i guess, but come onnnnnn pleaaaaaase

[terrence-silver]

Love the inconsistency of Chozen miraculously being healed from what's effectively having his torso nearly split in half with a sword and yet Tory's hand is still bandaged from slamming her fist into a rock slab.