#Anti-Edelgard?
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#mdzs discourse#jiang cheng discourse#if the person i was talking to earlier sees this- don't worry. i am not vaguing about you here#this is someone i blocked as soon as I saw their take#I'd love to have good faith arguments about jc because he's such a messy son of a bitch#but that is currently impossible as the majority of his vocal critics rn are just writing fanfiction and using it as proof he sucks#currently bitching about the person who implied jc manipulated jyl into marrying a man she wanted nothing to do with#inorder to form a political alliance#and used 16 y/o jc's âi just watched my family dieâ speach and a 20 something y/o him saying âthanks. we'll talk laterâ as proof#jc antis are the most bad faith critics I've ever seen AND I HAVE BEEN IN THE FE3H FANDOM#i cant believe I've actually found something more headache enducing than the rhea and edelgard discourse
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"When Edelgard says her 'Should the one leading the people of the world be someone with humanity or a creature that can merely masquerade as a human at will?' line she wasn't saying she thought Nabateans shouldn't rule over humans, only that that was what Rhea and Nemesis were fighting over."
Edelgard still literally believes that Nabateans shouldn't rule over the people. Like she says that. Extremely clearly. In multiple places, but most blatantly, explicitly, and directly during this moment.
Trying to say "She's not saying that's what she believes, she's just saying that's what happened" would be a credible argument if she didn't then go on to very plainly show off that that is, in fact, what she believes
#anti edelgard#edelgard critical#edelgard discourse#just to be safe#also ignore how that is quite literally NOT why Rhea and Nemesis fought each other like that has jack shit to do with anything
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#fire emblem#fire emblem three houses#edelgard von hresvelg#byleth eisner#sorry reposting some more stuff now that i think iâve finally fixed my tag problem#this isnât anti-edelgard this is pro-angst#fanart
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Itâs been literally so long since Fire Emblem 3H came out. At this point, Iâm a hair away from assuming people who say Rhea was running around murdering people of other religions are being intellectually dishonest. We have multiple support conversations just saying entirely uncryptically that she doesnât do this, and we never even see strong evidence that she does? She executed people for active blasphemy and attempted assassination, itâs just that the context made her ruthless (the people executed were clearly pawns, scared, and suffering too) which is why the scenes depict her as cutthroat. But to say sheâs killed people because they just casually didnât think Sothis was real is more than just simplifyingâ itâs just incorrect. Itâs because these people ultimately threatened the juggling act Rhea is doing to prevent another grand scale war and triggered her because they messed with things she considers sacred, final reminders of her mother.
Itâs just so weird because I used to post like screenshots and STATEMENTS FROM THE WRITERS that confirm all this in no uncertain language and people would be like doing extreme mental gymnastics to explain why âRhea doesnât care that I donât believe in Sothisâ and âRhea did what she did to prevent warâ are not clear statements. I mean, I am so chill with having different takes on characters from people or viewing characters as more or less sympathetic. That involves personal code and ethics. But with 3H, I hit this wall where Iâm like.. when do we admit that, for you, this conversation is not about actually understanding the character?
I swear, some people need to go take a break, grab a latte, and privately come to terms with their irl beefs with the Catholic Church before engaging with this game. Because, my friends, I do not have the ability or strength to shoulder/accommodate your external opinions on a real religion on top of my analyses of the motives of the green haired dragonfolk.
#I was worried that last paragraph is me strawmanning people#then I remember that I used to go to pages of ppl talking about things Rhea didnât do or blindly agreeing with Edelgard#and so so many of them were anti-religious communists#open anti-religious communists#and I fully get that your personal views color your opinions on fiction#thatâs natural#but donât rewrite the story#literally Claude was my favorite character in the og 3H#I didnât care for Rhea#my thoughts on her have formed from years of me going âwait that didnât happenâ#then starting to appreciate why she did things as I looked into it#sheâs a solid tragic character#fire emblem three houses#three houses#Fire Emblem#rhea fire emblem
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The reason i do not trust a lot of so-called «complexity lovers»
Akito Sohma stans: I love Akito because of her complexity! She is so sympathetic character!
Also Akito stans: but it would have been way better, if Takaya cut out her beating Kisa and Momiji, pushing Rin out of the window and droving Kana to clinical depression
Jiang Cheng stans: I adore Chengcheng, he is so complex!
Also Jiang Cheng stans: Of course, he was justified to demand of his adoptive brother to give up the innocent boy, elders and the persons to whom, you know, is obliged to help! Of course, he did not tarnished Wei Wuxian's reputation more by saying that he declared himself the enemy of the world! Of course, he was right to disrespect his sister's sacrifice the worst way possible! And he was right in killing innocent people during the timeskip and letting the literal maniac go!
Reva Sevander stans: Reva, my baby! đđ You would be a true Jedi of Old Order!đ€§đ€§ And you did not forgive Anakin(who literally nearly ceased to exist as person, as RoTS novel clearly indicates)! Such a complexity!
Also Reva stans: *ignoring her joining group of fascist enforcers, for which is pretty normal to kill teenagers, who are suspected to be Jedi(as Ezra and Cal situations show), and abduct children from their parents(may be killing said parents), hunting down underground railroad-like organisations, kidnapping 10 years old Leia and attempting to kill Luke*
Severus Snape stans: Of course, he was wonderful man, and so complex! He would definitely be a good father figure to Harry!
Also Snape stans: Of course, he was not an awful teacher to his students and never bullied Neville out of pure spite and said awful things about Hermione when her teeth end up growing fast and causing her a lot of pain! And also, he was forced to join Neo-nazi group at school, pull a hurtful pranks over Muggleborn and call the love of his life a racial slur!
Edelgard von Hresvelg stans: Such a complex character! A true embodiment of Progress! Go, Empress! Edeleth canon!
Also Edelstans: So, we are gonna project Dimitri's good traits on her, make Claude a villain(with the huge OOC) to make her look good, tell ten thousands of lies about Rhea and Nabateans(including genocide apologia) and of course, ingore all of her war crimes and imperialism(with her erasing the culture of far more progressive Leicester and Faerghus)!
Me: So... Are you truly here for complexity?
#anti jiang cheng#mo dao zu shi#star wars#obi wan kenobi#reva sevander#anti edelgard#fire emblem three houses#edelgard von hresvelg#anti reva sevander#harry potter#severus snape#anti severus snape#fruits basket#akito sohma#anti akito sohma
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Edelstans: âEdelgard detractors completely miss the nuances and morally grayness of her character! Fandoms canât handle complex characters!â
Me: Oh I agreeâŠ
Same Edelstans: *Remove all the nuances and moral grayness from Rhea and make posts about how she shouldnât have been an ally on any routes or even that there shouldâve been a golden ending where all houses team up to defeat her* Me: You know what, forget it, I canât sympathize with you anymore
#Look in a mirror you donât get to complain about removing moral grayness from characters if you do that to Rhea#Lady Rhea#rhea fire emblem#saint seiros#Seiros#Rhea fe#Fire emblem Rhea#FE Rhea#Church of Seiros#Lady Rhea Fire Emblem#Lady Rhea FE#rhea fe3h#Not really but just in case gonna also tag#Edelcrit#Edelgard critical#edelstan crit#Edelstan critical#anti Edelstans#anti edelgard
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Far too many people in the Fire Emblem community think well written Gray Morality is "How many terrible atrocities was this character responsible for and/or complicit in vs. how nice they sound when they speak/how good their ideals are."
I've seen characters with traits of imperialists, colonialists, nationalists, and racist terrorists ALL be excused by people who can't handle their favorites being RIGHTFULLY and ACCURATELY derided for the awful things they do in canon. Part of this is the fault of the series' writing being historically bound and limited by scenarios where awful characters readily forgiven by the protagonists or justified by the script is commonplace, but ever since 3H released with its shallow "oh but don't you see??? everyone has their own perspective and ideals, so no one's truly wrong!!!" thematic foundation, fans have felt emboldened to prop up and excuse characters for their wrongdoings because they felt "sad and lonely" or were vaguely pushing for change whilst committing crimes.
Relatedly, I never liked how easily the Fire Emblem fandom took to using the concept of war crimes in such a brazen and ignorant manner half a decade ago for their discourse. From now on I might just start outright blocking people who do it, because it's clear not only do the people who do this shit don't have any idea what they're fucking talking about, but they toss around words and concepts currently being tested by the REAL WORLD at large as we are still bearing witness to multiple oppressed peoples accross the globe being subjected to indiscriminate murder, assault, and persecution. I find that utterly vile.
TL;DR: "Why is there so much discourse in FE, they're ALL war criminals? đ€Șđ€Șđ€Ș" How about you shut your yap and never use serious topics for your internet discourse again, moron?
#free palestine#free sudan#free congo#congo is bleeding#fire emblem discourse#fire emblem#fire emblem heroes#feh#rant#anti edelgard#anti TWSITD
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âIt must be exhausting always rooting for the anti-heroâ
Actually Taylor you have no idea what youâre talking about Iâm doing amazing thank you very much
#I have a type#professor layton#clive dove#miraculous ladybug#felix graham de vanily#argos#fe3h#edelgard von hresvelg#pokemon#n harmonia#amphibia#sasha waybright#tangled the series#cassandra tangled#taylor swift#anti-hero#mlb spoilers#ml spoilers#mlb emotion#ml emotion#tts spoilers
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I will not publicly go on a rant about a FE3H character that every side of the fandom would crucify me for I will not go on a rant about a FE3H character that every side of the fandom would me for I will not
#i saw art shipping edelgard w [redacted] and it pissed me off bc i do not like [redacted]#however i fear being honest abt [redacted] would be kicking a wayyy bigger hornet nest than even being pro edelgard/anti dimitri#bc at least there are a lot of edelgard stans that don't fuck w dimitri#but the character i dislike is p beloved by the vast majority of the fandom and isnt divisive so....#also dont think i even have fe mutuals idk why im actually being secretive abt this cusgsgsush đ#wish i had someone to yap abt fe to sometimes but i fear finding someone who would agree w my specific opinions would be a lost cause đ
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What Edelgard says to Byleth after Jeraltâs death really shouldnât be defended as often as it is. Because for one, no itâs not genuine and âconsoling them in her own way.â All sheâs doing is telling them to get over it. And making it about her and her goals. âAll I can do is reach out my hand for you when the time comes for me to move forward.â
Like the mental gymnastics you would have to go through to describe all the things she said as actually being kind and genuine is ridiculous.
Not to mention, she goes to you to say this. At least with Hubert, heâs all the way on the other side of the Monastery, minding his own business. So you have to come up to him to get his âNever been one for condolencesâ line. But Edelgard seeks you out just to say all these insensitive things.
And two, sheâs actively lying to Byleth. Since she talks about how no new information has been found out about their enemies. And then tells them that sheâll let them know the moment she finds out anything new. While being fully aware that she is the one privy to the most information about the ones responsible for the death of Jeralt. So on top of already being insensitive and selfish, sheâs also being disingenuous.
#edelgard critical#anti edelgard#just to be safe#fire emblem three houses#fe3h#byleth eisner#jeralt eisner
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Based on this post from @ultraericthered.
Alternative second pic:
#My Hero Academia#To The Abandoned Sacred Beasts#Fire Emblem#Three Houses#Tomura Shigaraki#Cain Madhouse#Edelgard#Comparison#Anti-MHA#Anti-Kohei Horikoshi#Anti-Tomura Shigaraki#(Sort of)
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it annoys me so much when people say "edel had no other choice" as a thought terminating cliche. like even IF that were true, how one goes about that is still a characterful thing that gets minimized to "so it's not her fault stop being mean to her she just did what she had to". like. does she feel regret? does she apologize ot the people she's hurting? does she view it as righteous? who knows, becuase the argument is only ever used as a "stop being mean to my wife" line and not a character thing.
Yeah cuz like. Okay so let's say that starting the war was absolutely not her fault because xyz circumstance robs her of any substantial say in the matter.
What about using Demonic Beasts? What about her siccing her army and different set of Demonic Beasts on her own "friends" so that she could make more Demonic Beasts? Stealing from a gravesite to do so? What about starving her citizens, and being the only lord TO starve her citizens in their route? What about killing Judith as she ran away from her? Hell, invading the neutral Alliance in the first place? What about helping the Death Knight get away with stealing Flayn if 25 turns pass? What about saying nothing about Kronya even after Solon reveals himself at Remire? What about giving Jeritza a hunting ground to enable his bloodlust and not, like. Professional help?
She couldn't even mention a means she's working on to do anything about her starving citizens? Did she have to blame Claude (and everyone really) not immediately bowing down to her as to why the Alliance was violently invaded, and not her violent invasion being the reason it was violently invaded? What about persecuting Church followers who didn't do shit to anybody, did she have to do that shit too? Never freeing Brigid and instead stationing her men there on her route and sending Hubert there off of it; that was forced on her too? Taking Byleth's credit during the siege instead of letting them get the recognition they deserve - what, just, fate forcing her hand once again?
Are we really going to sit here and say because the war "needed" to happen, Edelgard was forced to do literally all of that (and more)? That because Edelgard was "forced" into war, she was also forced to do literally anything involving the war?
Like you said, her stans saying that she "had no choice" but to start the war does nothing to say anything about her as a character, because they also reject everything else she did regarding her war as having anything to do with her agency. They treat "she had to do this" as a means to protect the moral purity they want her character to have so they don't feel bad rooting for the villain to win, not as something that goes on to mean anything for her.
And I'm not asking for her to save literally every single person ever from any harm ever to prove her care about not going to war exists, I'm asking for LITERALLY ANYTHING. Because she quite literally does nothing to mitigate harm from anybody in this war, and regardless of whether the war was "forced" on her hands or not she absolutely could have done something to make sure her people suffered as minimally as possible. Which damn sure isn't seen in her hiding behind them as she sits in her throne room (a thing Dimitri and Claude absolutely don't do, with either similar or less time to prepare to protect their people). Or starves them, a thing uniquely said about her route (as literally all the other ones have the army go with lacking food supplies). Or allows Thales to conscript them under threat of death. Or openly saying that she thinks weak people would only stay weak after her war because they're "too used to relying on others" - because when her war takes everything away from people, it'd be THEIR fault for staying weak, which is *chef's kiss* so kind and caring amiright guys. Definitely shows off that she understands and/or cares about the ramifications of her war onto the people, and not that she has her head shoved squarely and firmly up her ass.
What does it meaningfully mean for the war to not be Edelgard's fault, if she's not going to do anything to indicate that she cares about other people enough to want to not force war on them? Hell, when she very explicitly shows she doesn't particularly care about how it'd affect people, if it affects people in a way that doesn't align with her beliefs? When she very explicitly says she's perfectly willing to sacrifice her people for her higher cause, and then goes on to sacrifice her people for her higher cause? If she doesn't even try to help others because the war was forced on her, that at best makes her one of powerless victim or uncaring defeatist - neither of which fit the resolute caring ambitious revolutionary they paradoxically also want her to be. So, again, what does it actually mean for the war to not be a result of Edelgard's agency, if she regardless of that still shows callous indifference to those harmed by the war?
It's a question no one who posits this about Edelgard is able to answer, because as you said, it's not meant to be anything more than a shallow defense against her own actions. Letting Edelgard have even the slightest smidgen of agency in her own actions means accepting that she is a massive fucking penis. A huge gaping asshole. A plain ol' jerk. Which again! Is INFINITELY more engaging to watch than this marionette strung along by literally everyone around her into "looking" like a villain, only being her "true" self when she's feeding kittens and dwawing her cwush and burping her googoo gaga babyass girlfriend they also tend to make (f!)Byleth over her shoulder
#ask#anon#anti edelgard#edelgard critical#edelgard discourse#just to be safe#it's why their interpretation of Edelgard comes off incredibly shallow a lot of times#since ''not her fault'' is the end-all be-all for her character and not like. a start?#like okay this war that she's been making active moves towards since she was 15 isn't her fault at all#cuz something something War Was Inevitable something something Church Bad - okay. sure.#where do we go from there? when DOES her agency come in regarding the war?#because she sure is getting a lot of CREDIT for this war that supposedly isn't hers to take credit for. for ONE thing#and literally almost everything she does in the game relates to her war so like. this take basically looks at Edelgard and goes#''this bitch ain't did SHIT ALL in the WHOLE GAME. please love her for it'' lmaooo#and like. hey. hey. you wanna. know who did ''forced into war but did everything they could to stop people from getting hurt'' better?#C. Cor. Corrin- *i'm boo'd off the stage*
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And the follow up question is who would win in a war between the Death Eaters and Those Who Slither in the Dark.
#My friends and I have been ripping apart the HP franchise for the past few days#Fire Emblem#Harry Potter#Wizarding World#Any RPG player knows that spamming the insta death option is a poor strategy#So Voldemort is gonna get bodied#Byleth Eisner#edelgard von hresvelg#dimitri alexandre blaiddyd#claude von riegan#yuri leclerc#anti jkr#Intelligent Systems#Nintendo
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La bĂȘte aux pieds d'argile
Et pour une fois, je ne vais pas trop faire de blabla au dĂ©but, je veux juste vous montrer, je vous expliquerait tout aprĂšs ! Je suis trĂšs fiĂšre du rĂ©sultat alors, je veux juste partager au plus vite ! đ C'est une idĂ©e qu'on a eu en discutant avec @ladyniniane qui faisait remarquer que Delagarde et Hubert ressemblait Ă la bĂȘte de la mer et celle de la terre dans l'Apocalypse alors, voilĂ le rĂ©sultat en dessin !
(je sais, c'est en noir et blanc mais, j'aurais peur de le gĂącher si je mettais de la couleur qui bavait sur d'autres parties vu que mĂȘme si c'est du A3, les zones sont assez petites, mon crayon a pas mal travaillĂ© le papier, et j'y ai dĂ©jĂ passĂ© la moitiĂ© de ma nuit, plus mon dimanche donc, on va dĂ©jĂ partir comme ça ^^')
Je vais mettre le dĂ©veloppement sous la coupe mais, je serais curieuse de connaitre votre interprĂ©tation avant de savoir qui est oĂč et ce que veulent dire certaines formes !
Pour commencer, le sujet Ă©tait "El et Hubert sont les bĂȘtes de l'Apocalypse de la Mer et de la Terre", et je me suis basĂ© sur cette reprĂ©sentation de ses deux crĂ©atures pour faire ma version Fodlan de cette histoire.
Delagarde est donc la BĂȘte de la mer qui fait office d'AntĂ©christ quand l'Apocalypse approche. Elle est donc reprĂ©senter comme sur l'enluminure, comme une bĂȘte avec des couronnes qui se fait adorer alors qu'elle est le mal incarnĂ©e mais, comme si l'artiste voulait se moquer d'elle et la reprĂ©senter dans toute son horreur et la fragilitĂ© de son pouvoir.
Je me suis aussi inspirĂ© des reprĂ©sentations de Baphomet vu que comme l'a souvent fait remarquĂ© Fantasy Invader, elle lui ressemble beaucoup et a la mĂȘme posture que le dĂ©mon sur son panneau de fin. Alors, je lui ai donnĂ© une poitrine, sa couronne qui est censĂ© ĂȘtre les cornes de l'ImmaculĂ©e sont devenue des cornes de dĂ©mons, et elle a des ailes mais, contrairement Ă Baphomet, ce n'est pas les siennes. Ce n'est pas un ange ou une sauveuse mais, elle veut se faire passer pour tel alors, elle veut des ailes d'anges alors, elle s'est clouĂ©e et collĂ©es des petites ailes dans le dos. ça sert Ă rien, elle ne pourra jamais voler avec et elle est plus ridicule qu'autre chose avec ces ailes minuscules qui tiennent Ă peine avec un clou et de la colle qui dĂ©gouline, comme elle ne sera jamais une sauveuse pour Fodlan.
D'ailleurs, elle porte aussi la couronne du Royaume et la banniĂšre de l'Alliance sur ses cornes mais, pour la couronne, elle la porte n'importe comment, elle n'est pas sur sa porte mais comme si elle l'avait mise sur un porte-manteau et risque de tomber au moindre mouvement de tĂȘte car, elle ne sera jamais la vraie reine lĂ©gitime du Royaume. Quant Ă la banniĂšre de l'Alliance, je ne sais pas si ça se voie vraiment Ă l'image mais, l'Ă©cusson sur le tissu est toujours diffĂ©rent car, elle connait tellement mal Fodlan et s'intĂ©resse si peu aux autres pays Ă part pour les envahir et leur imposer la civilisation adrestienne, qu'elle ne sait mĂȘme pas Ă quoi ressemble l'Ă©tendard d'un de ses ennemis, surtout que si on suivait sa logique de façade jusqu'au bout du "les crĂȘtes sont le mal et les gens doivent s'Ă©lever selon leur propre mĂ©rite !", bah Leicester le fait dĂ©jĂ depuis longtemps Ă©tant donnĂ© que l'ambition et la capacitĂ© personnel Ă s'enrichir est plus importante que les emblĂšmes, comme on le voie lorsque le margrave Edmund (nouveau noble grĂące Ă ses capacitĂ©s d'orateur et tout l'argent qu'il a gagnĂ© grĂące Ă ses talents) remplace Ă la table ronde la famille Daphnel (donc famille Ă emblĂšme mais, en perte de vitesse depuis que la moitiĂ© d'entre eux c'est barrĂ© dans le Royaume), ce qui montre qu'elle ne connait rien Ă ses voisins et veut en fait juste plus de pouvoir pour elle seule. De plus, le tissu est toujours attachĂ© Ă ses cornes gauches car, si elle est assise sur son trĂŽne et que la carte de Fodlan est derriĂšre elle, l'Alliance est Ă sa gauche et le Royaume Ă sa droite, sans penser que si elle leur fait face depuis Embarr en se tournant vers le nord, elle a inversĂ© les deux pays sur ses cornes.
Elle tient aussi Ayrm avec sa queue, dont le bout est en tire-bouchon comme celle des cochons qui sont associĂ© au poison de l'ignorance dans le bouddhisme (qui est Ă©galement le poison auquel elle est le plus rattachĂ© si je me souviens Ă©galement bien des billets de Fantasy Invader) et qui n'est pas forcĂ©ment l'animal qui a la meilleure rĂ©putation Ă©tant donnĂ© qu'il mange tout ce qui traine, ce qui oblige Ă bien faire bouillir sa viande si on veut la manger, voir Ă interdire complĂštement sa consommation pour des raisons d'hygiĂšne, ce qui est surement Ă l'origine du fait que plusieurs religions interdisent d'en manger. Delagarde se sert de l'arme que lui ont donnĂ© les agarthans pour imposer sa tyrannie (et la lie encore plus au Diable vu que cette arme est liĂ©e Ă l'emblĂšme de la BĂȘte) mais lĂ aussi, elle est pas vraiment en bon Ă©tat : elle est cassĂ©e, certaines dents sont pourries et elle tombe en miette histoire de montrer que malgrĂ© toute son horreur, son pouvoir reste fragile vu qu'au moment oĂč Aymr n'est plus brandit ou que les agents d'Hubert ne sont plus opĂ©rationnels, elle aura beaucoup plus de mal Ă imposer ses quatre volontĂ©s (tout en permettant de se moquer d'elle au passage vu que sa hache ignoble en forme de bouche qui dĂ©vore tout sur son passage, est en fait une grosse hache Ă©dentĂ©e qui tombe en morceaux et avec des morceaux pourris)
Comme la bĂȘte de la mer, Delagarde a plusieurs tĂȘtes qui crachent du feu dans tous les sens pour symboliser qu'elle s'attaque Ă tout ce qui l'entoure mais, aucune ne regarde le sol, personne ne peut la contester sur son territoire alors, elle ne regarde mĂȘme pas ces sujets qui sont en train de la prier. De plus, j'ai fait en sorte qu'Ă part quand elle est plus ou moins de face Ă celui qui regarde le dessin, on ne voie jamais ses yeux avec sa coiffure qui lui bouche la vue comme des oeillĂšres, comme Delagarde se met souvent des oeillĂšres et refusent de voir la rĂ©alitĂ© en face. LĂ , elle ne voie que ce qui est devant elle et veut voir : ce que vont consumer ses flammes et tout ce qu'elle va cramer pour obtenir le pouvoir.
Cependant, ça l'empĂȘche aussi de voir que ses pattes sont argiles, fragiles, qui craquĂšlent de partout et qu'elle est attaquĂ©e. Sous son ventre, on a Bernadetta qui est en train de graver l'emblĂšme de Seiros de RhĂ©a sur son flan avec une de ses flĂšches afin de souligner son rattachement Ă la rĂ©sistance et son soutien Ă l'Eglise que Delagarde persĂ©cute, pendant que Ferdinand est en train de couper une de ses pattes avec une hache, Ă©tant Ă©galement dans la rĂ©sistance et s'opposant Ă Delagarde et son impĂ©rialisme. Dans mon canon, ils sont mĂȘme les deux chefs d'un des groupes rĂ©sistants les plus importants de Fodlan. Enfin, derriĂšre eux et sans que Delagarde ne le remarque, Petra est derriĂšre elle et bande son arc pour dĂ©cocher une flĂšche sur une des tĂȘtes de la bĂȘte, Brigid se battant farouchement pour leur indĂ©pendance et refusant de se soumettre (raison pour laquelle, elle est dans sa tenue de civil qui est surement un habit brigilĂšne, mĂȘme si ça ne se voie pas beaucoup, j'Ă©tait sur le bout de ma page...)
Ensuite, on a Hubert qui est la bĂȘte de la Terre. Dans la lĂ©gende, cette bĂȘte fait des tours pour convaincre les humains les humains que la bĂȘte de la mer est le Sauveur, et les faire tomber dans les griffes d'un antĂ©christ (de mĂ©moire, si j'ai bien compris l'histoire) mais sur le modĂšle, il ressemble vraiment Ă un petit chien Ă sa mĂ©mĂšre en fait ^^' Je l'ai alors reprĂ©sentĂ© comme couchĂ© devant sa maitresse en se frottant les pattes mais, ses oreilles sont celles d'un chien : une dressĂ© comme celle d'un chien de garde, une aplati sous sa mĂšche toute douveteuse comme celle d'un Cavalier King Charles pour le cĂŽtĂ© pelucheux et animal de compagnie de Delagarde. Sa queue est aussi celle d'un chien de chasse courant derriĂšre les ennemis de sa maitresse, le foxhound anglais (et Ă la rĂ©flexion en l'Ă©crivant, ça colle encore mieux vu qu'il courre aprĂšs Ferdie qui a les cheveux roux). Pour ses cornes, j'ai voulu prendre celle de Grima de FE Awakening en exemple vu qu'il ressemblait vraiment Ă un ĂȘtre malĂ©fique mais, vu que je l'ai fait de mĂ©moire, je ne me souvenait plus qu'il n'avait pas 3 paires de cornes mais seulement une... enfin, il fait encore plus bĂȘtes malĂ©fiques avec des cornes de diable comme ça.
Il a aussi sa grosse mĂšche et un sourire carnassier de voir que leur plan se dĂ©roule comme sur des roulettes avec les roturiers qui prient El mais, au cas oĂč, il a quand mĂȘme les griffes de ses pattes arriĂšres qui sont des couteaux, afin de rappeler qu'il assassinera quiconque reprĂ©sentant une menace pour son impĂ©ratrice qu'il dĂ©fendra jusqu'au bout, mĂȘme si lui aussi ne se rend pas compte qu'elle se fait attaquer en douce.
Pour son oeil visible qui est vide, c'Ă©tait Ă la base un oubli de ma part, j'ai oubliĂ© de dessiner son globe oculaire au brouillon mais, une fois passĂ© Ă l'encre, je ne l'ai pas rajoutĂ© car, je trouvais que ça faisait ressembler son regard Ă celui des Agarthans comme ThalĂšs ou Solon qui ont les yeux vides, Hubert utilisant les mĂȘmes mĂ©thodes et la mĂȘme magie qu'eux malgrĂ© tous les discours d'El "oui mais en fait, on les aime pas car c'est eux qui m'ont expĂ©rimentĂ©, mĂȘme si je les utilise pour le moment car ils sont pratique, MAIS je les tuerais quand j'aurais plus besoin d'eux ! Donc, ça passe ! Je les aide pas Ă continuer Ă faire des atrocitĂ©s !".
Ensuite, pour les personnes face Ă Delagarde, ce sont des roturiers qui, abreuvĂ©s des mensonges d'El et la propagande, se mettent Ă la vĂ©nĂ©rer comme leur chef suprĂȘme et la nouvelle tĂȘte de proue de Fodlan, et mĂȘme comme une DĂ©esse (ce que Dimitri l'accuse de vouloir devenir dans leur face Ă face et vue la fin en duo d'Hanneman et Manuela, ça semble ĂȘtre le cas vu que l'Ă©glise existe toujours aprĂšs CF mais, tourne autour de l'empereur et de son idĂ©ologie), la premiĂšre d'entre elle Ă©tant DorothĂ©a, Ă genoux devant elle, la priant et l'idolatrant. C'est elle qui a ce rĂŽle car, c'est celle qui croit le plus Ă la rhĂ©torique d'El et est sa pompom girl la plus fidĂšle dans le jeu, tout en Ă©tant aussi hypocrite qu'elle (surtout que je la voie bien pouvoir sortir "quand on veut, on peut" vu qu'elle a pu se sortir du caniveau grĂące Ă sa voix et donc, elle pourrait appliquer cette mĂȘme logique Ă tout le monde, sans comprendre que ce n'est pas possible que tout le monde devienne une diva Ă succĂšs pour des milliers de raisons) donc, elle a le rĂŽle de fidĂšle fanatique au regard vide Ă part son admiration pour son idole, biberonnĂ©e Ă la propagande qui vĂ©nĂšre l'ImpĂ©ratrice comme sa nouvelle DĂ©esse mais, sans se rendre compte qu'elle est un monstre.
D'ailleurs, elle n'a pas de pupille, ce qui rend son regard encore plus vide, et aucun des fidĂšles de Delagarde n'a d'yeux visibles. MĂȘme s'ils ont les cheveux attachĂ©s pour certains, ils ont toujours une grosse mĂšche devant les yeux qui leur bouche les yeux, ce qui permet de faire plus foule et de dire qu'ils ne voient pas qui est Delagarde pour ce qu'elle est vraiment, ont cru aux mensonges et au tour d'Hubert, et ils se mettent Ă la vĂ©nĂ©rer comme une DĂ©esse, tous la priant devant elle. ça me permet Ă©galement de me moquer du fait que si El dit dĂ©tester la religion, elle pourrait se faire passer pour une DĂ©esse et le Messie, elle le ferait sans hĂ©siter Ă cause de son complexe du Sauveur. Donc, on donne un grand coup dans ses discours "Religion et DĂ©esse = MECHANT PAS BO !!!" et on l'a fait vĂ©nĂ©rer par ses sujets.
Par contre, une d'entre eux Ă des yeux complets, et c'est la seule roturiĂšre qui est derriĂšre eux et ne regarde pas Delagarde mais, cĂ©lĂšbre plutĂŽt l'arriver des vrais sauveurs. Elle porte d'ailleurs un habit d'Ă©vĂȘque du jeu pour la rattacher Ă l'Eglise (et les vrais auront reconnu Margherita Ă son collier en forme de coeur [qui apparaitra peut-ĂȘtre un jour Ă Fodlan si je trouve l'occasion], mĂȘme si elle n'a pas les cheveux attachĂ©s en deux couettes sortant d'une sorte de chignon [elle est inspirĂ©e par le design de Miku mais, avec une coiffure Ă la Sailor Moon], je trouvais que ça ressemblait trop Ă la coiffure en macaron de Delagarde et que ça ne rendait pas bien alors, elle a les cheveux dĂ©tachĂ©s et libres). C'est la seule Ă voir El pour ce qu'elle est et Ă fĂȘter l'arriver de ceux qui vont les sauver de cet AntĂ©christ et la guerre en Fodlan.
Enfin, tout en haut Ă droite de l'image, Byleth arrive en tenue de ProphĂ©tesse (mĂȘme si la veste est celle de la version masculine, pas question que je dessine au premier degrĂ© Byleth dans la version fĂ©minine de cette tenue) et plante l'EpĂ©e du CrĂ©ateur dans une des pattes de Delagarde, toujours pour la rattacher Ă l'Ă©glise et pour signifier que le vrai prophĂšte arrive pour chasser l'AntĂ©christ et pour ramener la paix de Sothis dans Fodlan. Elle porte Ă©galement le bouclier de Seiros pour rappeler RhĂ©a et le fait qu'elle travaille ensemble. Enfin, elle est accompagnĂ©e et soutenue par un Lion pour Dimitri et Faerghus, un Cerf pour Claude et Leicester, et l'ImmaculĂ©e pour l'Eglise, afin de montrer que tout Fodlan s'oppose Ă Delagarde et s'opposera toujours Ă sa tyrannie ! Je l'ai Ă©galement dessinĂ© plus grande que toutes les autres pour faire si elle Ă©tait la DĂ©esse elle-mĂȘme venue pour arrĂȘter le mal avec les bĂȘtes protectrices du reste du continent, ainsi que souligner son importance dans la scĂšne (et me simplifier la vie car il y a vraiment beaucoup de dĂ©tail dans la tenue de ProphĂšte - -' )
Et voilĂ ! Je crois que j'ai fait le tour de tout ce qu'il y avait Ă dire sur ce dessin ! J'espĂšre qu'il vous plait !
#fe3h#dessin de curieuse#j'espĂšre que ça vous plait surtout !#je suis trop fiĂšre du rĂ©sultat ! C'est rare que je fasse des choses aussi chargĂ©es avec autant de dĂ©tail !#je voulais trop vous le montrer tout de suite donc aussitĂŽt dessiner aussitĂŽt postĂ© !#J'espĂšre que ça vous a plu !#par contre histoire d'ĂȘtre sĂ»re d'ĂȘtre tranquille :#anti edelgard#edelgard critical#on ne sait jamais avec ces stans alors je prend les devants...
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Out of curiosity, where do you stand on the "Edelgard is evil" debate? (I swear I'm not trying to start drama I'm just genuinely curious given your thoughts on how the RWBY writers handled Ironwood.)
I feel like every defense of Edelgard is people saying that Those Who Slither In The Dark and Rhea are worse and therefore her attempts to take them out means she's fine, but imo Edelgard is pretty indisputably a villain no matter what other people did. She's the 'sympathetic villain who has a point' kind of evil, the 'the end justifies the means' kind of evil, but it doesn't excuse her actions. She's kind of a conqueror who tries to set herself up as a dictator in charge of other countries that her army invaded. Iirc in the Crimson Flower path, you basically just sweep through Fodlan taking people out who stand in your way of conquering, with no regard to civilian life (and yeah, sometimes Edelgard is like 'that was sad, huh?' after a battle, but that's hardly enough) and then they tacked on a 'and then after that I guess they took out Those Who Slither in the Dark' to the epilogue. And then people kind of just decided that's the good path because they hate the Church of Seiros. I also have a problem with how the writers wrote Edelgard in Fire Emblem Three Hopes, especially in regards to how they basically made Claude's path a win for the Black Eagles (and made Edelgard a Sad Wide-Eyed Widdle Baby). It seemed like Fire Emblem Three Hopes strongly wanted to appeal to Edelgard fans, and I feel like it really hurt the game actually.
Edelgard is very different from Ironwood. She was a villain from the start, her arc wasn't rushed, they never acted like no one cared about her and they never hung all the problems around her neck as a way to dismiss the problems with the status quo. She was a nuanced villain, and that's the extent of it imo. She falls into the problem of 'the revolutionary person who has a problem with the system is actually also a horrible person who is just as bad as the people she's against,' which I do have some problems with, but I also feel like it's slightly more of a 'District 13 in the Hunger Games' situation rather than a White Fang situation.
But a lot of people look at the nuance involved and look at her being against the current system and use it as a reason to dismiss all her crimes and pretend she's only ever been the good guy who only ever does good things. So yeah, that's my general opinion on that whole discourse.
#anti edelgard#please no edelgard fans try to fight with me thanks#I like her in theory AS A VILLAIN but people treating her like she's perfect is a big oof
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Toxic Sludge Yuri - Misc Preliminaries: Edeleth (Fire Emblem: Three Houses) Vs Missteen (Doctor Who)
[Vote for whichever ship you like more. The ship with more votes will move on to the bracket.]
Propaganda under cut. Note: spoilers for these medias may be below.
Edeleth propaganda:
No propaganda provided.
Missteen propaganda:
"Enemies to lovers? No. Enemies AND lovers <3 They've both been men they've both been women they deserve to kiss at least once. Epitome of the "I can fix him" x "I can make him worse" dynamic. They're so horrible I love them."
#tournament#proship safe#proship#proship tournament#anti anti#polls#toxic sludge yuri#toxic sludge yuri tournament#fire emblem#fire emblem three houses#fe3h edelgard#female byleth#byleth fire emblem#edeleth#missteen#thirteenth doctor#missy doctor who#missy#doctor who#dw#preliminaries
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