#All those nasty implications about Kwami and Senti slavery? Actually explored. The fact that Paris just spends a decade under constant...

[actually-factually-anonymous]

I think that if that were the point, if any of the questionable writing decisions were actually made purposefully to explore the dire implications they so often open up, then Miraculous could actually be an amazing show.

But the simplest answer is usually the correct one, and after five seasons it's quite obvious that the writing team are nothing if not sincere about the ideas they have presented at face value.

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But hey: look on the bright side.

One day, the children who watched Miraculous and later questioned it will likely be inspired to create their own fiction to deconstruct and explore those questionable ideas- much like the media of the sixties inspired later media to take apart their own questionable content.

Who knows, maybe one day we'll have an Evangelion or a Madoka Magica that owes its existence to the sheer dissonance that Miraculous inspires.

This one guy I talked to thought that it was good for Miraculous to teach kids that love can motivate people for either good or bad, do you think that holds any water?

Well there's always 2 sides to love, selfish and selfless.

You can see in the show both ends at several points.

From both the heroes and villains.

It's not perfect though.

But given how I'm biased I mostly remember all the bad stuff happening out of love, starting with Marinette' stalking and jealousy toward Adrien, and of course Gabriel's whole crusade to get his wife back, for starters.

There are better shows to demonstrate it though.

And I'll leave it at that.

[starguardianniom]

Yeah. The show also likes to not take itself seriously about stuff only to later say oh yeah we should take it seriously in the end and yet nothing is done about it, like for example, Marinette acting like a stalker toward Adrien for 5 seasons, her stuttering and everything, looks funny/creepy for 4 seasons then season 5 "oh yeah that's trauma and no laughing matter but oh well here's your boyfriend Adrien despite honestly not deserving him for all the morally questionable things you did to get there, and also you don't need to change anything, especially not your toxic and unhealthy traits toward him at all". *facepalms*

I swear the normal relationships are the ones in the background like Tom and Sabine, or Juleka and Rose, or Ivan and Mylène. But anytime it's a main character, expect it to be unhealthy in some way. Or coming out of nowhere. Or looking forced.

Like Alya and Nino got together after spending a day locked in a cage despite Nino trying to go on a date with Marinette and Alya trying to get Marinette on a date with Adrien, and then Nino messing it up and saying he has a crush on Alya instead and Alya saying she sees him like a brother, yet they are now dating at the end because they found out they had a lot in common. Yet in season 4, Nino at one point thinks Alya is cheating on him with Chat Noir of all people and tries to kill the super hero over it, and says nasty things about him, on top of spilling his secret identity and Alya's to Adrien in a fit of anger and she doesn't learn about it until season 5 at the same time as Marinette, yet somehow even if he apologize at the end back in season 4 he doesn't come clean to Alya yet that he told Adrien her secret identity, which like, should be a big deal, and the show never address it again, though given that now Alya and Nino got their miraculouses back at the end of season 5, I wonder if Nino will go see Adrien as Carapace, or if Alya will as Rena Rouge, since he knows both of them...

I'm not even gonna start on Felix and Kagami.

I swear the show seems more focused on showing what not to do in relationship than showing us a healthy one, though the healthy ones are not important because they don't cause drama like the bad ones do, which is why we constantly see Marinette trying to impress Adrien or asking him out more than her trying to do anything else that is about herself, like making outfits more often, or baking, or you know, hanging out with her parents more often, I dunno, it seems half the time she isn't doing something related to Adrien at all the show will go out of its way to make him come in the picture and have her focus on him more than what she was doing in the present, and it shows. And it's bad.

Because about 90% of the time Marinette has to make something about Adrien more than anything else or anyone else more important.

This one guy I talked to thought that it was good for Miraculous to teach kids that love can motivate people for either good or bad, do you think that holds any water?

Well there's always 2 sides to love, selfish and selfless.

You can see in the show both ends at several points.

From both the heroes and villains.

It's not perfect though.

But given how I'm biased I mostly remember all the bad stuff happening out of love, starting with Marinette' stalking and jealousy toward Adrien, and of course Gabriel's whole crusade to get his wife back, for starters.

There are better shows to demonstrate it though.

And I'll leave it at that.