#ALSO i'm sure robbie had an agenda

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Like, yes, I think some of the "we're making this so you didn't have to play botw" stuff was awkwardly handled and in some cases unnecessary.

I DON'T think every case of difference is a continuity retcon.

Purah and Robbie have apparently had around four to six years to strip every piece of Sheikah tech they could find. The Sheikah monks apparently set a timer on their tech that let it dissolve or teleport or something once it wasn't needed anymore.

Is the DEGREE silly and dumb? Yes, but the simple explanation is right there.

--Also again if you talk to enough npcs and do enough side quests almost all of the botw Lore comes up.

I think making the original Sages essentially faceless nonpersons wasn't the best choice and creates some Unfortunate Bad Vibes in the story messaging

I think the reason they DID it was because they didn't want four more characters like the Champions to overshadow the modern Sages, not because they were forwarding an agenda (just. Just give them their own fucking names Nintendo it's that easy, you don't even have to give them faces at that point)

I think Nintendo doubling down on the Foreign Evil Wizard trope is more them clinging to the trope itself and thinking they can keep it and be less racist if they make the Gerudo themselves more sympathetic. They're WRONG but that's what I think is going on there. (I do not personally need a bullet point list on all the things wrong with that idea. I know.)

I'm sure I'm going to have more commentary to this effect by the time I finish the game but yeah I'm just having a lot of "my man did none of those things but he sure as fuck did these other things you're not acknowledging"

I'm having the same problem with totk that I had with botw which is that I have genuine criticisms but I feel like I can't talk about them bc people will jump on with criticisms I think are in bad faith

And even people I otherwise respect are some of the same people forwarding the crit I disagree with

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I'm kinda overwhelmed about the whole Fitz situation. I feel as if, maybe AIDA/Ophelia whatever we call her now, will manipulate him further until he just snaps and (hopefully) kills her. What do you think will happen from here on out with the whole Fitz with AIDA/Ophelia

AHAnonymous said:  How do you think it’s going to play out with Aida and Fitz now? The way he reacted to her and called her Ophelia was a little odd, but I know his memories will be confused. Will he try and fight against her? I am so scared of seeing him like her/ their relationship continue in the real world, do you think they would do that? I would like to believe they won’t but they have done everything I thought they wouldn’t do so now I am anxious!!

Anonymous said:  Is there any part of you that’s a little worried of what could happen between Aida/Ophelia and Fitz next week they look really close in the promo and he’s really down and confused right now - would the writers go there!???

Hi Anons!

Okay I’m sure there are some other really fabulous metas floating around out there right now on this very thing too but I won’t really see my dash again until Friday so I apologize to those who have written them and I can’t tag.  

Ophelia was already losing her grip on him in the the Framework and she knew it.  She knew her hold was tenuous with her downright fear that Jemma would get to him.   And what I gathered last night is she replaced Jemma with Alistair (they are inseparable) in Fitz’s life and thanks to some programming Alistair in turn steered Fitz in her direction and her own manipulations were in play.  But when his father was in danger and needed to be avenged Leopold abandoned her in what should have been a great moment for them….just as our Fitz would have done for Jemma.

Then she came to the real world, had her real body, and Fitz did not react how she wanted or thought he would.  Because unlike in the Framework he now has his free will back.  His feelings for Ophelia weren’t even really for her, they were for Jemma and twisted to her.  He is mortified by everything he did in there…and that is going to include the relationship and helping Ophelia.  She was fully expecting something like this when she saw him.

The parallel to that scene was not lost on me.  And for the first time since the Framework Hades started and Fitzsimmons moments were twisted….this one wasn’t taken wholly from us.  Small victories guys…small victories.  

And we also saw Ophelia get her first taste of real emotions.  First happiness then…fear, sadness, anger, and rejection when Fitz didn’t go running to her.  When she realized that he wasn’t what she wanted him to be.  She shifted from happiness to anger in the blink of an eye and took him.

Yes, Fitz is dealing with a lot right now.   He has two lifetimes worth of memories hitting him all at once.  A lot of trauma.  Him dealing with he was forced to do something he would NEVER do in the real world.  That Looking Glass had actually worked.  But he also realized instantly the difference between AIDA and Ophelia.  That and AIDA”s body was RIGHT THERE on the floor.  

I think Ophelia is going to try to replicate what she had with Leopold in the Framework but its not going to work.  She doesn’t understand love or how it works.  The sheer level of manipulation that it took to get him at her side in the Framework is mind boggling and most importantly its all gone.  He’s no longer the Doctor, he’s Fitz again, and Fitz has a choice.  Fitz doesn’t love her, he loves Jemma, theirs is a forever love…a REAL love.  In a world where the love of his life is (and is coming for him with a vengeance).  

I can very much see a parallel to the scene we had with Fitz and Radcliffe at the end of 4x11, where Robocliffe was insisting that he was doing good and he really cared for Fitz despite all this and Fitz just had that broken “your mad”.  We could see that exact same thing as Ophelia tries to tell him that she loves him and he loves her.  And that isn’t going to go over well.  

From the promo she seems to slip back into what she was using in the Framework to get him to do something.  Her Damsel in Distress thing.  You need to protect me, you need to save me, I don’t want to die.  And I don’t thing its going to really fly.   I do see him fighting back and am so down for hostage from hell Fitz its not even funny.

And fun fact…well not so fun fact cause nothing good is coming from this.  AKA I’ve spent the last 10 minutes screaming at people via messages.  I know you are all totally sick of hearing about Chthon and that I don’t think we’re done here, that the Darkhold has its own agenda.  BUT.  In the comics Ophelia makes a deal with Chthon, the Demon of the Darkhold.  “At some point, she entered into a pact with the Elder God Chthon, who was trapped in the mountain of Wundagore. This pact greatly slowed her aging process, allowing her to become a fearsome mercenary and criminal as the years passed.“  

Here is where the screaming started.  Wundagore:  Mount Wundagore is the most prominent mountain of the tiny Balkan nation of Transia, a place of legend and local mystery throughout history

Transia…as in Transia Corp…as in Spacetime…as in who Radcliffe worked for…as in its all connected.

And in the promo she tells Fitz she doesn’t want to die (which was the sam thing that motivated Radcliffe).  Radcliffe said in 9 she just wants to live.  So now that she has a real girl body she needs to make sure something doesn’t happen to it, they are awfully fragile after all.  And enter a pact of her own with Chthon to make that happen.  Freeing him could certainly facilitate Robbie’s return as well.  

This could also be setting up the Higher Evolutionary as our big baddie for next season too!

Now this could have been her plan all along or she goes this route once Fitz spurs her and refuses to help.  After all Hell hath no fury like a woman scored.

Sorry that totally got away from me there at the end.  I do think Fitz will fight back, he will fight to get away, try to reason with her, get her to stop, protect his friends, and have to deal with his memories of the Doctor all at once.    And sadly we just have to wait and see what Ophelia does with him as he resists.  Because I can totally see some parallels from another “couple” from Season 1 happening now that the feelings are not mutual.  

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I'm wondering now that we know Robbie/Ghost Rider is in the finale we'll see the penance stare in action again? Maybe Aida is a real person at that point and he can use it to defeat her? It could also be used to prove how guilty May and especially Fitz truly are for their actions in the framework which could mirror Daisy being spared in 4x01 (i really just want this to happen so i can feel vindicated tbh)

Hi Anon!

TV Line confirmed it yesterday and I’ve had my theories about it for awhile now.  

My thoughts still remain that AIDA getting herself a real girl body is only part of the plan that the Darkhold has its own agenda and we’re going to find out what that is tonight.   And whatever that is is likely not only going to allow but require Robbie’s return in order for them to stop (and if they are planning on one they  are going there set up his own spin off).  

I’ll be honest, if May or Fitz doesn’t get the take down of AIDA herself (with Jemma and Daisy close third) I’ll be a bit upset.  They have suffered the most at her hands and I feel they deserve that ‘win’ against her.  But AOS doesn’t always go that route so we could see either the Real Girl body and/or Android body on the receiving end of that…though I believe they have to have a soul for that to work…I could be wrong its early and I need to read up on my Ghost Rider knowledge again

Robbie can take out Chthon or whatever else comes out of the Darkhold (nope not letting that one go at all)…and the Darkhold itself.  After all we suspect that the previous host of Ghost Rider was hiding that book for a reason…someone knew what its true purpose was.  

It will be interesting to see how much of the team Robbie interacts with again. If they are all together or split up going into the final battle.  I’m expecting him to for sure be with Daisy but am not sure about anyone else right now.