#(which is true tbh i couldn't stand him and neither could others)

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really funny seeing someone who is the problem commenting on how and why the server died... lol

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Hi, what do you think about Amir?

I may be a minority but I don't think Amir is a saint at all as much as I love Malcolm-Jamal Warner. Amir and Bobby have a deep trauma from that fire. And both have suffered greatly. But it doesn't justify his actions toward Bobby in episode 8. He could have come to Bobby privately and told Bobby about his feeling but no, he chose to take a stand and make accusation that is not entirely true. He didn't know the pain Bobby went through, the loss of his family, the hatred for himself, the struggle to love himself and to receive the love given to him. Bobby was cleared in the fire for a reason, if Amir has anger towards Bobby for forgetting to turn off the heater that is ok, but his real anger should be directed at the building management. Amir knows what his words would do to Bobby because both of them share that trauma but he chose to do it anyway. In episode 7 he already had the intention to hurt Bobby. That is why I don't think he's a saint at all. If he got to know Bobby and found out about him before accusing him in episode 8 it would be a better story. Bobby strugled a lot to be where he is today, he strugled even before the fire. To discount all of that experiences without proper knowledge is petty to me. Why did Amir come to the conclusion that Bobby deserve his second chance after Bobby lost everything all over again? I love if Bobby and Amir becomes friends in season 8, Peter Krause and Malcolm-Jamal Warner have great chemistry and both are great actors but no Amir is not a saint at all and his pain doesn't justify his actions to inflict pain to others.

Thank you🙏🏻

Hi anon. Tbh i don't think Amir is a saint, but that comes from me thinking none of the characters in this show are. To me, the fact they're all failed is the interesting part of them, because this is what generates the conflicts and their own growth. (This is also one of the many reasons i absolutely despises Buck woobfication and victimization since it's basically the fandom writing Buck like a harmless human being who couldn't do any wrong) Anyway, back on the matter, particularly I don't think Amir ever had intention of hurting Bobby in this arc, this perspective doesn't make sense to me. Yeah he said some harsh words and made assumptions but then he doesn't own Bobby anything. Basically one day the man who Amir thought to be the root of all the pain in his life shows up in his job, with life completely unchanged and then all the feelings he thought he bottled ressurge. Yet he still somehow keeps himself away. He didn't go in that AA meeting planning to hurt or say anything to Bobby, his interest was about how Bobby could keep living on after that tragedy. The fact he felt triggered by what Bobby said isn't something that is totally his fault., because it isn't really in his control.

Yeah he shouldn't have gone in that meeting in the first place, it was quite off touch, but then as i said they're all failed human beings. Then we have Amir completely away, because after saying what he had to, he moved on, the thing that kept him from doing were Bobby and Athena later who kept showing up in his life. Bobby trying to make amends and Athena in a reckless decision to ask him help without thinking on what that would cause to Amir. I think Amir is totally in his right of not wanting to hear what Bobby has to say and make assumptions, because he doesn't own Bobby forgiveness, neither is obligated to hear what he had to say. Making amends was something Bobby had to do, doesn't mean Amir had to follow. Also the fact Amir is making assumption of Bobby and the trauma he had from that fire isn't mentioned is intentionally done this way because, Bobby let him made the assumptions. He simply doesn't mention the trauma that fire caused in his own life, because he has the grace to not make Amir's pain about himself, which i particularly am happy it was done this way, since it's a very Bobby thing to do. The fact Amir was "ok" with Bobby after the bathena house fire is nothing more than bad and rushed writing, especially considering they chose the most crazy messy development of making Athena go after him and then save him (in a very triggering way btw) so because they rushed the hell out of that arc towards the end, this "redemption" feels off. in my opinion.

Amir isn't a saint, but he also isn't the person that intended to hurt Bobby (by the time Bobby showed up in his life). Amir said to Athena he thought about killing the man who did cause his pain, but this line itself is quite vague and possibly alludes to a few months or years after the Minnesota fire, when his grief was still very fresh.

So, overall i disagree with your perspective. The execution of the arc towards the end ain't great, i think they wasted the character and could have done something better than that rushed conclusion, but i would gladly watch more of his interactions with Bobby as you said MJW and PK had great chemistry.

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First of all I absolutely love all of your fics, you are so talented and your writing is inspiring. I'd like to know your perspective on this. When I read comments from people who don't ship EO and I respect them just to be clear, must of them say that their relationship is like brother and sister or that it's strictly platonic. And tough I can see certain elements of that on their interactions along the series at least for me is very clear that their love for each other is definitely more than that, it's straight up romantic. In my opinion we have seen those dinamics played out very clearly for Liv but not with Elliot.

For me the brother and sister thing the best example we have on that dinamic is on Fin and Liv. They have developed such a strong friendship but it's more than that, it's a true and unconditional loyalty. They don't open up so much to each other often but they know they are always there for the other, he is the only one who has never left and you can tell he is determined to be always by her side, to have her back. And it's true, Elliot once was that for her but the difference is that between El and Liv there was an undeniable attraction and chemistry, and Fin and Liv never had those feelings, it's straight up trust and he is the closest thing to a brother figure Liv has met. As far as the platonic love I think it was what she had with Rafael. They started working together and even with their differences they soon learned to respect each other, I think because they realized both of them would go to great meassures to get justice in their own way, Rafa had a more practical and cynic approach and Liv had that passionate drive and compassion but they were akin on that matter. Then they started to be closer, they developed a beautiful friendship, they admired each other, they were concerned for the other but there was some barrier on a way that they would not cross, specially Liv I think because she had experienced what It was like to have feelings for someone she could trust as much (Elliot) and she couldn't handle the eventual loss it would mean, so she rather remain friends. As for him, he did seem to have strong feelings for her and he basically said that to her when he was about to leave, maybe he never felt like he had a real chance with her or both of them kinda prefered to stick to a close friendship, afraid of ruining what they had. I do think they both had feelings for each other, not necessarily the kinda of attraction or magnetism she and Elliot had, but more out of absolute admiration and respect. If one or both would have dared at some point to try and make that relationship grow, I think it could have worked for them but it was not the case. The relationship where it was teased it could grow on to something more but eventually didn't happen was with Peter Stone. They did seemed to be attracted to each other, they had an intense dinamic, she let him be close to Noah which was huge for her and she comforted him when he lost his sister. Again when he left he admitted he had feelings for her, but that was it. And then there are the canon relationships she had with Cassidy and Tucker and they were both relevant for her in that time, she loved them but not in the way she loved El. As Brian said she would never bare her soul with him, neither with Ed even if it was as close as it gets, there's only someone who would be that person and that is Elliot.

The difference with Elliot is that between them there are all those elements combined and even more. They know each other, they complement what the other lacks, they share their passion, they are both caring, protective people who tend to put other's necessities before their own, they both had a troubled upbringing and they both have very strong morals, neither of them could bring themselves to do something that they think is not righteous, that's why they never closed that line. Their bond is stronger than the others, it's physical too but it runs much deeper than that, and that's why both chose the other when Gitano, and why even with a decade apart from each other that bond still remains, maybe not the same as before but they never could forget the other, never stopped feeling the way they felt at least not completely. That's why Elliot even if he left and broke her heart in the process is the only one who I could picture Liv having a real chance to find happiness, not because she needs someone, she can definitely stand by her own but because she deserves to be Loved, to be chosen and cared for, because in some years she will have to retire her job and Noah will grow up to have his own life, so Liv deserves to have her true love by her side when that happens.

I don't have a lot to add tbh I just want people to see your thoughts bc I love this breakdown of the different relationships