#(also if you want to talk about how thua outing akk and ayan wasn't okay

[rocketturtle4]

The Eclipse Ep 12 - Lets Finish up this thing

@wen-kexing-apologist @plantsarepeopletoo @thegalwhorants @grapejuicegay Once more into the breach

Oh started with the Principal and Chadok, and Lying??

Also I just realised Thua never talked about riling up the protestors so they may have done that on their own, he was a late game mastermind not from the beginning.

Akk & Ayan, Is this the past or the present?

OH THEY WERE FILMING

Akk and Thua are getting investigated, quencies incoming

FECK YOU BITCH

Oh god I have a bad feeling about my upcoming emotions:

this is going to hurt

also the line after this isn't translated I will need to figure out what it is especially since they both shake their heads after

Eclipse: Roll credits

CMON, HE CAN'T SAY IT

and CRYING

SEE I TOLD YOU THIS WAS GOING TO HURT

and he couldn't do it ahhhh poor boy, it's not on you

Back to the teachers

OOOOOH Loop Hole

"Suppalo Must Adjust" DAMN RIGHT

Yes RESIGN DO IT BE FREE

what on earth does that hug mean, how close were they?

To the cliff

aww he gave him the diary

Back to the school

apologising to the protestors, good,

Aww Akk and Thua are still friends, good,

Oh Parents

They gonna come out? or is this just about Akk

oh by himself? aw he gonna cry again isn't he

YEP THERE'S THE CRYING

how many significant people do you have in your life? aww they all called, He's still worried about disappointing them RELATABLE AS EVER

noW HES COMING OUT

I feel like every person needs someone to say this to them

ooop there it is and MORE CRYING

And now I have parent envy, also this was beautiful.

OH AYAN WANTS TO BE SEEN

It's so scary everytime isn't it

CMON AKK YOU CAN DO IT! YEEEESSSS!

Seriously where do I get an Ayan???

aww sweet boy you didn't ruin the film

Teasing each other is cute but you should just say what you want

awww cuddles

and THERE WE GO

tasteful fade to black is making me lol because only friends is coming

Competitive till the end I see (this would totally be me lol)

All the friends appeared! (including the teacher??)

CHEEKY CHEEKY

And we're watcing the film as part of the final resolution lol thought so

and he get's to see himself be sad

"You were so sincere" "How could I delete it" Wat is Legit

More coming out for the win!

Ouch

arbitrary guitar playing and singing

More Akk & Aye sweetness its so GOOD

"Without you, I have no idea how I'd get through all that" Me either sweet boy I'm glad Ayan was there for you, I was so afraid you'd leave him in a fit of self-destruction

Aww Khan and Thua sweetness too

Your honour I love them

back to school, YOU GOT THIS

Ayan is still not wearing his blazer lol

AWW they were greeted by the protestors

Damn, Mes is suffering too they really want to hammer home that this wasn't good for anyone

"School is worthwhile when it's students recognise their own worth" I'm going to have to put that up on the wall of my classroom if I ever have one (I'm teacher trained)

this is so important for the reshaping of his identity and sense of self, I'm glad they did this

Namo was made a prefect...good for him I guess

Wat is president...yay? Not sure how I feel about that, did he want it?

Oh the teacher's learnt something lol, Teachers should always learn from their students

MATCHING HOODIES

Oh they let the uncle go

THEY'RE PINNING EACH OTHERS BADGES STAAAP I'M DYING

My love Language is here

MORE VERBAL CONSENT AND KISSING

My sweet boy said he loved Ayan

DONE

Okay thank you all so much, now you get to scream at me, please come scream I think this is AMAZING

[grapejuicegay]

There’s a lot of stuff in this show that is obvious in hindsight through context clues which starts to make sense after we get the added context.

One major one would be Akk and Ayan’s first conversation in the teachers’ bathroom. The tension there makes a lot more sense when you know that Akk knows Ayan just saw him set off the car.

But we also have a lot of context that a lot of characters don’t have. Here are a few examples:

Thua doesn’t know that Wat has been watching Kan look at him for a while now. Thua didn’t see the look of devastation of Kan’s face when he was talking to Ayan.

Wat was the only one who noticed Akk was trying to side with Waree in the class to try and settle things. Most people do still think Akk is just a suck up

Almost nobody has seen Namo be shady

To date nobody knows why Kan was late to class because he got in a fight

Nobody knows Wat is making a short film 

Kan knows about Akk and Ayan but Wat and Akk don’t know about Kan and Thua

Wat doesn’t know about Akk and Ayan - not really

Nobody outside Chadok’s office knows that Dika is dead 

Thua took over the curse from Akk very quicky - there wasn’t a lot of downtime between those two events. Even for people looking into who is behind it, it’s the same person. That’s why even though Akk almost set the school on fire it seems like escalation because he didn’t, and the banner was more drastic and public than throwing paint on the posters.

And in that same vein, Thua never knew that Akk was being brainwashed, or that he had decided to stop the curse, or that he had changed his position and beliefs. For the most part, if anyone knew that outside of Ayan or Wat or Kan, it was The World Remembers because Akk quietly apologised to them the last time he took their things - it was the most he could do.

Thua had no way of knowing. From his perspective, it was all still going.

[respectthepetty]

some ppl are saying that thua outing akkayan is so unnecessary. some say he's just bitter and jealous. what are your thoughts about it?

Short version -

Ahhh, so the fandom is talking about the closeted bully trope:

Adam from Sex Education or Nate from Euphoria, anyone?

Perhaps Akk from The Eclipse?

Yes, Akk is a bully. [definition - A bully is a person who harasses, abuses, intimidates, or coerces people, especially those with less power than they have or those considered weaker or vulnerable in some way. The word often implies that such behavior is repeated or habitual.] A key element in the closeted bully trope is being straight passing.

“But Thua and Namo caused harm to The World Remembers too!”

Namo lit fliers on fire. Thua lit a dummy on fire. Akk tried to run people over and pushed objects off a second story into a crowd. Namo and Thua destroyed objects. Akk tried to destroy people. I’m all for be gay, do crime, but two would be property damage, and the other would be attempted murder. They are not the same.

Therefore, Thua isn’t outing Ayan and Akk because they are *gay (are they gay if they don’t say it? More below!). Thua is outing them as an attempted murderer and the guy who kisses him on occasion for covering it up.

Long version –

Fiction

In 2001, fictional attorney extraordinaire Elle Woods waited in line to get a drink of water from a fountain during a break in a murder trial. As she waited, she stomped her little last season Prada shoes at Enrique, the pool boy, and the current witness testifying in the case that he and the defendant were having an affair. Because of his testimony, it appeared the defendant did kill her husband. However, when Elle heard his comment, she realized “gay men know designers” therefore, Enrique was gay and NOT having an affair with the defendant. He was quickly exposed in court, lost his boyfriend, and Elle was applauded for her great deductive skills.

Reality

*I’m not including a picture because he doesn’t deserve it. I'm petty 24/7, 365*

Aaron Schock was an American Congressman for six years from 2009-2015. During his term, he voted on several key issues, but the ones that need to be highlighted here are:

He voted against gay marriage (marriage equality)

He voted against allowing people to serve openly in the military

He voted against homophobic acts falling under hate crimes

He voted against sexual identity being protected under employee discrimination

Plus many others (he was the pile of poop that kept smelling)

He also actively worked on policies like Defense of Marriage to ensure the gays didn’t get the rights they were fighting for

In 2014, reporter Itay Hod, who is a gay man and has written on many queer issues, wrote a Facebook post asking if it was ever okay to out someone. Then, he gave a hypothetical scenario regarding “a certain GOP congressman, let's just say from Illinois” who voted against several gay-supporting policies yet showers with his male roommate. *the post is still up if you want to search it*

Although Hod never stated a name, everyone knew who this was about because the representative for Illinois was none other than Schock, and the people were divided. This has been an ongoing conversation in queer communities since before the HIV epidemic when known closeted gay politicians weren’t doing anything to help, some believed that outing them would be justified while others disagreed.

There were always whispers about Schock lurking on gossip sites, so Schock was asked when he was running for his state position in 2004 if he was gay. He was asked all of the time during his six years serving as a Congressman by everyone and their mother. Each time, he said no.

Hod, in that infamous FB post, asked “doesn't the media have an OBLIGATION to expose his hypocrisy?” like when it comes to a closeted gay man imposing inequalities on gay people.

Once again, the people were divided. Do we weaponize sexuality this way? Where is the line? Schock said he wasn't gay, so how could Hod write that Schock was gay?!

Schock never addressed the post but resigned in 2015 amid allegations that he had misused public funding to throw parties and redecorate his home and office. He plead guilty in 2019, served probation, and the charges were cleared.

In 2020, he came out as gay.

Why does any of this matter?

Is a person gay if he doesn’t say he’s gay?

What makes someone gay? Is it the sex? What if they are a virgin? Is it the attraction? Can someone be attracted to the same sex every now in then and not be gay? Does the attraction have to be consistent? What makes gay gay?!

Outing a person is harmful, but does it supersede the harm that person has caused others?

Is it ethical to out a closeted hypocrite for the sake of the collective?

Where is the limit?

How much proof do we need to out someone?

What makes this different than outing a preacher who hires sex workers or a family man who has a mistress?

Is it just the hypocrite we out or the sex worker, the mistress, and the male roommate as well?

Enrique was outed by Elle because his lying would cause a woman to go to prison for murder. Schock was outed because he gained privileges he was openly denying from others. Were Elle or Hod ethically right for outing Enrique and Schock? Fictional or reality, is it ever okay to out someone even if it is a side effect of a larger issue?

Thua isn’t jealous or bitter; he is angry at the hypocrisy. Ayan is demanding for the school to admit wrongdoing while he sleeps next to the boy who started the car and pushed it into the crowd. Akk is winning the Best Boy Award after he tried to break heads with a potted plant.

I truly want you to think about when outing someone who has caused harm is acceptable, if ever? I’m not asking about the Lance Bass and Ricky Martin type situations. I’m asking about the Aaron Schock and Carlos Divar (Spanish judge who voted against marriage equality in Spain but used public funds to go on luxurious trips with his secret long-term boyfriend) type of situations. Can we even distinguish between the two types? Are there even types or is an outing harmful no matter how we look at it? Is an outing ever justified?   

I’m not the moral monitor, but if I’m honest, when it comes to people in positions of power using that position to cause harm to others while reaping the benefits of that position (and the people who enable them to continue to abuse their power), I’d be a Thua every time.

Adding - Ayan outed Thua to his mom and blackmailed Akk with the cheek kiss photo. Ayan also outed Akk to his mother at the house and the women on the beach. Sani outed Dika to the students. Keep the same energy.