#(& obv it's used w/in the nation as well but that's generally less prominent in the story) like anything that isn't a legitimate grievance
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the other thing re the lumateran homophobia discussion is of course the fact that the insult du jour for foreigners is that they are inherently less masculine (& therefore inherently lesser in general)
#like this is really what everything they have to say about charynites & belegonians & osterians &&& boils down to#(& obv it's used w/in the nation as well but that's generally less prominent in the story) like anything that isn't a legitimate grievance#ties back into this & a lot of the time is perceived to be tied to the grievance. like they're bad bc [insult] which means they do#[grievance] rather than being bad due to the latter with the former as an incidental#& *obviously* this is a reflection of the real world but in the context of the apparently far more accepting than that lumatere#digs about charynite dancing making froi look like a girl really make any attempts on that front ring hollow. whatever!#(like probably the given scenario is that if you perform masculinity correctly enough outside of r/ships ie tomas & bosco you get#conditional acceptance. w/ everything that entails. this isn't everything i have to say on the matter but it's#everything coherent i have rn)
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