#'the timeless child are was horrible' i can guarantee you that a majority of you would have Loved it if david tennant was the doctor at the

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i don't hate this sequel media where the main character is a woman (compared to the og media where the main character is a man) actually. i think you guys are just kind of misogynist.

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My mistake - I saw @wellwhataboutme’s post and tags after messaging you. But yes, it’s such an great observation. And it makes me happy that the writers put that in there, ‘cause the minor, less obvious details and lines like this are my favorite kind of characterisatoin. I can just trust the writers so much more when they show this level of consistency and subtlety. So I’m very excited, despite even the bitterness of that moment for Flynn and Lucy. (Now, I just hope the writers won’t use these skills they’ve just proven to write something truly aweful for us garcy fans, lol.)

At this point, he as good as blames her for the endurance of Rittenhouse. […] she (in his mind) condemned his family to their deaths all over again.

Ow. The way you pharsed it, it hurts. :( You’re right of course, that’s exactly what he must be feeling. He lost both the hope that this time he’d finally saved his family, AND the hope he’d had a friend in Lucy. (I can’t imagine how lonely he must be. How much he must want someone who understands, who he could share the weight of his mission with.)

But did you notice Lucy’s reaction to his accusations? She looked so upset and distressed, very clearly sorry for him. Like, she knows she absolutely had done the right thing by saving the boy, but this knowledge doesn’t help much when she sees Flynn in so much pain and despair. When, also, another child might have lived, if. Poor Lucy. :(  I guess she’s just had a sneak peek into Flynn’s shades-of-black world, where every action, every choice, even the most humane, inevitably leads to someone getting hurt. :(

On a side note (and since we’re on the topic of hurt Flynn :)), did you spot that when he returns from 1780 and rants about 50 muskets, he’s got a wound on his arm? And he pays it no heed? Someone needs to make a wounded!Flynn gifset, of that moment and of his stitches from the pilot ep. Ahem.  That reminded me of another thing that’s been bothering me, if you don’t mind duscussing it. From what we have been shown, Flynn never shies away from a fight or a shootuot. He seems both competent and fearless. But when he’s telling Wyatt how his family was killed in Watergate episode (“we call them silencers but they’re not that silent”), and Wyatt asks why he didn’t fight back, his reply (and Goran’s delivery) sound almost like a set of… excuses. “It was dark, bullets were flying, there were too many of them”. He covers his face when he says that, too, and then quickly forces the conversation back to Rittenhouse. Am I seeing things, or does this really look a little like Flynn is ashamed or hiding something? What do you think?

They each want the other to be who they want them to be. They’re projecting. But, it should be noted, they are still not devoid of similarities or understanding or even an interest in being in each other’s company. So I am just really looking forward to seeing them both… not “settling”… but accepting each other for who they are instead of what they’ve read or who they wish they were. Sign me up. I want ten seasons.

Yes, exactly! :) I really love how you phrased it. ♥

(Also, sorry this is so long and rambley!)

That’s one of the reasons I love Timeless so much. Like yeah, it’s fun to make up theories. But just expanding upon and drawing attention to what subtleties are already there is super great fun. Many layers to this show. I stand by the belief that the writers still intend to make Flynn and Lucy team up one day. The journal will come true. We’ll get there. Everything along the way is just a bump in the road. Makes for an interesting ride, yeah?

I mean, just when Flynn says, “So my family is still dead. And Rittenhouse survived. And it’s your fault.” And calling it, “the mess you made.” I think right now it makes him feel better to blame someone, and she’s his best target. (Even though he was having his own reservations about it!) Hers is the betrayal he never saw coming. Because he thought he had all the answers and that the journal was indelible. I’m sure he does feel very alone now. You’re so right.

I DID notice her faces as he was berating her!

She does feel sorry for Flynn. And on some level she feels the guilt Flynn is trying to force on her, but she still knows she made the right choice. She would make it again. (I mean..... I'm pretty sure she would? She was researching where to find John in the future. Under Flynn's orders, of course, but still. She was complying?) She does want Flynn to succeed and bring his family back to life. No doubts there. She just had to draw the line at murdering a child, even if it meant Flynn’s remained dead. But it does beg the very important question of how many other lines in the sand Lucy would let Flynn cross before she intervened. Because she just stood there watching when he killed Rittenhouse. Lucy is constantly weighing Flynn’s goal against what it costs today and trying to decide if it’s worth it. But she does want him to bring his family back. She does. So despite how Flynn might feel right now, Lucy is on his side. She just can’t go as extreme as him, not against her own moral code and not against recorded history. If it was easier, if no one had to die, if history could remain intact, I don’t doubt she would willingly help him. (Can I point out though that one of the main pillars in her argument against killing John, twice used, is that there were other followers and his death ensured nothing? So... I wonder just how different the discussion would go if John’s death was a 100% guarantee towards saving Flynn’s family.)

I did see Flynn’s injury!

Boo-boo. He got himself hurt. Such a tough guy though. Such a manly man. Doesn't even seem to notice. I'm sure he's had worse. Wyatt's shot to the shoulder (neck? shoulder/neck area?) was worse I think. (And yas. Give me all that hurt Flynn. I want that man to have so many scars. He shot Wyatt in return, didn’t he? lol. They’re scar buddies! Wacky fun.) But I guess that's when he gave up trying to infiltrate Rittenhouse's compound. Got hurt. Cut his losses. Still, man, screw semi-automatics. Go back with fricking full on automatics. I know he has one. He used it on Rittenhouse agents in 1.06. (Old timey one in 1.09. More I’m sure.) Snipe them from the trees. Grenade launcher. Tear gas. The possibilities are almost endless. Can I just say... Can I suggest... A nice touch when they arrived at the house in 1.10 would have been if Arnold commented that security was even tighter than usual and someone replied saying, "We suffered a major assault a few days ago. He's taking no chances." Which would have been Flynn in the beginning of 1.11. It's stuff like that which really makes something pop in the time travel genre. Come on, Timeless.

You do make a point, yeah. Flynn’s delivery in the story of his family’s deaths is a little... hesitant, stilted. Granted, he is giving his very personal story to an adversary, a man who doesn’t even believe him when he says it and is undoubtedly tearing apart every aspect for its credibility.

Flynn has definite survivor's guilt about that night. Severe survivor’s guilt. Super. (If it were a contest, I would submit that his is worse than Wyatt’s, but this is not the sort of thing you hold contests about.) I don't doubt Flynn would give up his own life to bring them back. He already considers his life as it was forfeit. He considers that man to be dead. He has no purpose beyond killing Rittenhouse and righting their wrongs. I really want to see that night played out in a flashback (goodness, for SO many reasons), but I'm not sure what he'd be ashamed of, going off what facts we do have. By the time he became aware enough to get out of bed and fight back, his wife and daughter were already dead. Although, ya know big stab to the heart, it was his actions that caused their deaths, however unintentional and unknowing.

I'm sure Flynn has replayed that night in his head so many times and has identified every little thing he could have done differently. He thinks what would have happened if he got up to check on their daughter instead. But he has to rationalize that they would all three be dead in that instance-- Rittenhouse catching him more unaware without the two gunshots to warn him. And how horrible is it that the sound of his wife and daughter being murdered is the very alarm that kept Flynn alive? They died because of him, and he lived because of them. .....................Let that sink in. Heavy stuff. Painful stuff. That’s twofold survivor’s guilt. He has so many reasons to feel guilty, though none of them are really his fault. And I’d wager if his account about that night sounds like an excuse, it’s probably because he’s had to excuse it to himself. In the past two years, he has, over and over, had to tell himself that he had to make it out that night. Everything had to happen as it did. His wife had to check on their daughter. He had to give up fighting. He had to flee. He had to leave them there. He tries to excuse his actions that night because he knows it’s necessary. He tells himself the entire course of events was necessary. He has to survive so he can bring them back. It’s just really hard to rationalize it though.

And you are right. Flynn doesn’t back down from a fight. He really pushes his recklessness sometimes. But, as commented on above, he seems to know when to cut his losses. Live today, fight tomorrow. Though I’m sure he only did so after he knew for certain that his family was dead. He wouldn’t leave them there otherwise. I like to believe Flynn did fight back at first. Because his first excuse is, “There were too many of them.” He maybe picked off a few before he realized how many there were. They kept coming. And if they saw him, they shot at him. Bullets everywhere. There’s really no telling how accessible guns were in Flynn’s family home, but I’m sure he had at least one near. However, disoriented, unprepared, in the dark, outmanned, lacking firepower, emotionally compromised, Flynn knew they had the advantage. And yet he either stayed long enough to try killing them anyway or there were so many that even in retreat, they almost killed him. Because he barely made it out alive.

Now, what I REALLY want to see is a flashback of Flynn after the battle. I want to know how he escaped. I want to know how badly he was injured. And though it will be the death of me, I want to see him the moment he’s able to stop running, the moment when it all comes slamming into him and he has to acknowledge what just happened and that his family is dead. I’ve seen Goran’s acting so far. I know this one would kill me. Like dead. Just dead. Straight dead. But I’m willing to risk it.