#“my suffering was the price for saving this kid from the goblins so it's okay”

[ariavar]

lol yeah, it is just that Shirou is basically the poster child of "Maybe this whole martyr hero complex is not good for you?", so my mind clicked with the connection.

I kind of wish they had taken some pages out of Shirou's routes in Fate Stay Night for Wyll's arc? Like a bit more exploration of Wyll's brand of heroism and how much it relies on self-destruction (not just in terms of bodily harm, but also on the fact that his "fate" as the Duke's son also got squashed... and how long it would have taken Mizora to lead him into destroying his own heroic ideals? Considering the trick she was pulling with Karlach)... like, I think the path of the Blade of Frontiers (pre-game) was set to have a pretty grim ending.

Or playing a bit more with Wyll's development in either rejecting this extreme selflessness and being critical of his father's lessons, or embracing them "for the greater good".

so we all know that one of wylls biggest flaws is his selflessness to the point of danger, but i kinda wanna talk about his weird, like, feeling of duty to suffer? its not masochism, hes not having fun. but theres almost a sort of... i wanna say autonomy? to get from believing that theres meaning in it all. hes not stupid about his own wellbeing. he knows what hes doing to himself. but theres this hint of "its inherently noble for me to choose to suffer" which i guess makes sense if he wants to not go crazy over the whole "i dont regret my pact" thing. i get the feeling he was told shit "builds character" a lot as a kid. i bet mizora is a bit easier to swallow if you think her "pain for the sake of pain" shit inherently makes you stronger

its 2 AM so i dont have a conclusion yet. hoping this makes sense?