#‘naples is closer to tunis than milan’

[ash-and-starlight]

they're inventing a new sport called extreme acrobatics to defend a white woman and tumblr just won gold and set a new olympic record!!!1!11 🥇congrats!

[brienneofqarth]

"please don't trust mainstream media and don't form your opinion on propaganda and misinformation! trust ME instead! and these screenshots, which definitely don't contain any misinformation at all" ah yes that's how you do it :)))

[laststandx3]

Look I agree that the media absolutely weaponized the situation but Carini isn't taking clear cut stances on the topic. In an interview after the match she was asked if she thought Imane should participate in the women's category and she answered "I'm not the authority to weight on that"

When asked "do you think politics have misrepresented the situation" Carini answered a distinct "No"

When asked about the right wing head of state Meloni, Carini said "she took me in and comforted me as a daughter"

Don't erase the fact that Carini is being neutral. She's trying to sound as neutral as possible to avoid backlash. But don't come to me saying that a woman taking comforting words from a fascist isn't taking a stance.

And also,the fact that south italian are discriminated doesn't make them closer to Tunis in spirit. Don't think for a moment that just because southern italians are geographically closer to Tunis than Milan that they have a more empathic stance.

And by the way in the European/italain context (after years of african immigration) Carini is seen as a white woman and I assure you she feels like one. The european right doesn't care if Carini is from Naples or Milan they see her as white. And pretending that somehow in italy that is soso close to africa people are more open is just lies. They wouldn't have a fascist govt if they werent.

(btw everyone in Europe think Italy is the southern less developed country. It's a fucking matrioska, there's no end to it)

Carini for how much backlash might face from the public opinion, somehow fails to take responsibilities for how she treated Imane on the ring and doesn't seem to plan anything to show the public she stands for trans-issues. She's not a victim of the system, she might sound neutral but in this fucking country being neutral is a wink for the right people

My mom decided to weigh in on this, on the side of the Italian boxer, thinking I'd allow her to repeat bullshit talking points for some reason (never have allowed that shit, especially not from someone who raised me not to tolerate racism or anything that ends with someone being put down)...I made her stay on the line until she admitted she was wrong.

[cassandrva]

NO. absolutely not.

i'm sorry, i don't know where these people are getting their facts, and i have MANY corrections to make. my credentials are that i am a native italian speaker and that i know how to use google.

"carini quit because she couldn't breathe": FALSE. denied in this interview from her coach. she quit because "her nose hurt too much". she later said she suspected it was broken, but didn't get it checked out. i can't begin to describe how unbroken her nose looks in this selfie she took with a journalist right after the match.

i don't know who kristenzeta is but i doubt she's either an italian-english translator worth her salt or a native italian speaker, bc any native speaker would be able to tell you that "non è giusto" on its own would never be used to mean "i don't feel well" or "this isn't right". in this context "non è giusto" exclusively means "this is unfair".

her weird fixation on calling southern italian women people of color is not only inaccurate but also offensive. what does it matter that naples is geographically closer to tunis than to milan? carini is still nationally and internationally recognized and treated as a white woman. any type of discrimination italian women received in the 80s in australia is simply not applicable to a white italian woman living in italy in 2024.

as a side note, and as a southern italian who's actually from even farther south than naples, i can tell you with absolute certainty: fuck her bullshit. white italians (yes, even southerners) are universally recognized as white and enjoy all the privileges of being white in a racist and xenophobic country like mine. in a recent ig post she not only implied that southern italians suffer from racial discriminations but she even compared us to palestinians, which is so out of pocket and so absurd and offensive i don't even know what to say in response.

"this isn't about gender" and "before this all blew up it was just a debrief after a woman's boxing match nobody usually cares about": BOTH WRONG.

if you followed italian media at all you would know that the controversy about this match started BEFORE it was disputed. many were calling for carini not to compete at all, calling the match unfair and accusing khelif of being "a man", including THE LITERAL VICE PRESIDENT

this horrible tweet from him was published before the match. it starts by calling khelif "a trans boxer from algeria" and saying "HE was banned at the world championships" and ends by decrying the follies of "woke ideology"

it's true that carini never outright made transphobic attacks towards khelif, but in her interview to RAI (national tv) she said that she trains with her brother and so she's used to being hit by men... but khelif was just too strong.

this is an interview (alt online source) from her coach again:

q: wasn't carini calm?

a: on the one hand the controversy galvanized her because she felt at the center of attention, kind of like the paladin of this movement that asked her not to step in the ring in sign of protest.

yes, even her coach explicitly admits she had ideological incentives to abandon the match.

after her withdrawal carini received a huge amount of solidarity from both transphobic politicians and fellow athletes. here's her being comforted by our neo-fascist and transphobic prime minister, who granted her a private audience together with the minister of sport and went on record saying that the match was "unequal"

this is who angela carini is. a white woman who weaponized her whiteness and transphobia to have her moment in the spotlight, start an international smear campaign against an opponent, and ruined her own olympic dream in the process

My mom decided to weigh in on this, on the side of the Italian boxer, thinking I'd allow her to repeat bullshit talking points for some reason (never have allowed that shit, especially not from someone who raised me not to tolerate racism or anything that ends with someone being put down)...I made her stay on the line until she admitted she was wrong.