#[though this doesn't exactly fit into the comics tag it feels like it does]

[adieutristana]

Hiiii! Can you do arcane women having “I’m not better than a man” moment?

of course! thank you for the request <3

sunder by hibou on repeat rn

summary; arcane women having an ‘i’m no better than a man’ moment (aka being distracted by your assets).

characters included; jinx, vi, mel, sevika, caitlyn, maddie.

tags/warnings; SUGGESTIVE, no explicit nsfw, fluff, mentions of drinking, crack kinda, arcane women being whipped for u

men and minors dni.

jinx;

✧.* jinx is a tit girl, no doubt about it. she doesn’t care the size, the shape, how they sit, she’s just utterly obsessed with your boobs. she tries to keep her hands to herself, she really does, but sometimes she just can’t help herself.

✧.* though she does have to show some self-restraint sometimes, as torturous as that is. as much as she'd love to, jinx knows it's probably best that she doesn't smother you and keeps her hands to herself until you're behind closed doors... which makes days like this so difficult.

✧.* today, it's hot out, and zaun gets humid. for that reason it's optimal to dress wisely, you'd picked a simple tank top and pair of loose-fitting shorts in hopes of not sweating yourself half to death. you and jinx had a day planned together, a day of visiting street vendors and exploring the undercity. not much necessarily, but you've found that anything can be fun as long as jinx is around.

✧.* you've run a bit late, and you're internally hoping that your girlfriend won't be mad. she's never exactly punctual herself, but you always feel awful running behind on plans with her. what if she thinks you stood her up, or even left her? though your worries melt off of you as you step into her view, and you see her lips curling into a smile.

✧.* "hey, babe, i'm so sorry for the wait, i was running l-" you're cut off by jinx's index finger on your lips, while her own tug into that grin you've come to love. "don't worry about it, you're here now."

✧.* within seconds, you're grabbing her hand and leading her right into the street market, eager to make up for lost time. jinx thanks janna above that you're preoccupied with looking for a stall to visit, because her gaze is... elsewhere.

✧.* naturally, with it being warmer out today, you'd opted to wear lighter clothing. this included a spaghetti-strap tank top with a very low neckline, where she could see your cleavage just right. her mind immediately went to all the places she knows it shouldn't. you're in public, in broad daylight. but they're right there, and she can't help it.

✧.* what would it look like if you bent over- would they start spilling out? or if you started bouncing on your heels? she thought about how she could see your bra straps, how she might be able to see the clasp from the back. what she'd do to unclasp it right now.

✧.* you pull her to a stall with old records, seemingly donated or imported from piltover. they're not exactly cheap- but still, they're nice to look at. you and your girlfriend have spent many an hour browsing stands like this, with jinx swiping a few vinyls for her stereo more often than not.

✧.* the boxes of records instantly draw you in, all organized by genre and decade. you take a record from one of the first boxes you see, holding it up for jinx- this is one you've been looking for for months, and they have it. finally.

✧.* "baby, look!" you smile, holding the record up. her eyebrows raise, jinx has clearly heard you, but her gaze is... downcast. "uh, babe? what's wrong?" until it clicks. she's looking at your tits.

✧.* "oh- jinx!" you gasp, as one of your hands flies to cover your cleavage. it's a playful gesture, yet still earns a scoff from the girl. she rolls her eyes in response, her voice slightly exasperated. "what? they're right there, and you expect me not to look?"

✧.* this only earns a light shove on the shoulder from you before you return to browsing through records. it's almost comical how hard it is for jinx to resist looking at you like this, but you can't exactly complain.

vi;

✧.* you and vi visit a sports bar in piltover around once a month now. you've made it a routine after she stumbled upon the place by chance, and you both ended up actually enjoying the experience. the bartenders were friendly, the drinks were fairly priced (for piltover), and the patrons were respectful enough.

✧.* it was the same routine: you'd tell vi when you were on your way, she'd swing by your place to pick you up, you'd walk hand-in-hand or with linked elbows to the bar, and you'd have a few hours of fun.

✧.* it's no different this time, with you slipping on a simple yet fun outfit for your night out. vi wasn't ever much of one for dressing up, but she tried for you, and it was always adorable seeing her efforts.

✧.* so when vi shows up at your door and hears a shouted "coming!" from inside, she's rocking back and forth on her heels, anxiously waiting your arrival. she just saw you a few days ago, yet she already misses you- can you blame her?

✧.* you swing the door open with a soft smile on your face, slinging your bag over your shoulder. you make your way down the steps to take vi into your arms, pressing a light kiss to her cheek. "hi, baby," you hum, smiling into the skin. "hi, cupcake. i missed you. you ready?"

✧.* with a nod, the two of you head off. vi had noticed your outfit when you opened the door- a simple lacy tank top with black bell-bottom jeans. it was simple, a bit dressy, but appropriate for the location. yet it wasn't until you turned around to lock the door before taking her hand that she noticed your ass.

✧.* she takes hold of your hand, taking the short walk to the bar with you. though her hand is clammy, more than usual, and she's trying so damn hard to focus on what you're saying to her while she can only think of how incredible you look in those pants. how much better you'd look if she took them off.

✧.* "so then my manager said i needed to ease up on the customers, but i was just being fair! he told them the same thing i did!" "i- yeah, that's not good. not good at all."

✧.* you both arrive at the spot, take your usual place at the bar. the bartender greets you, seemingly a new one- but she seems friendly enough. you both order your usual drinks, but you're still hung up on the work situation you'd been ranting about. you need to get it off your chest, and vi has always been such a good listener.

✧.* with your elbows braced on the bar counter, you turn back to her, "i mean, i just don't understand why the need to be so adamant! i told them that we were out of it, what did they expect?"

✧.* though your girlfriend seems to be distracted still, with her blue eyes fixated.. somewhere else. you can't figure out exactly where, though. snapping your fingers a few inches from her face seems to do the trick, though, as she quickly shakes her head. "huh?"

✧.* "are you listening?" you huff, crossing your arms over your chest. "i- yeah, i'm listening! your manager, a customer insisting on something that you don't have, uh..."

✧.* you nod slowly, raising a brow. she's listening enough to catch the gist of it, though the girl's tone is starting to worry on you. still waiting on those drinks, you lean a bit closer. "hey, what's up? is something wrong? you seem kinda distracted."

✧.* it's in that moment that vi feels her heart drop. she's been caught. she has no other option than to simply confess, or that's what she thinks.

✧.* "i'm sorry, it's just... your ass looks really good in those jeans."

✧.* your eyes widen for only a moment, and vi is preparing for the worst to happen. she's never shied from intimacy or letting you know the depths of her attraction, but while you're trying to talk to her? the last thing she wants is to be disrespectful. though what follows isn't you getting up, isn't a scoff or you telling her off. it's a bark of laughter, followed by a gentle shove of the shoulder.

✧.* "come on, you could've just told me that! i knew they were doing something for me, but damn!"

mel;

✧.* mel frequently brings you to gatherings. aside from being an influential councilwoman, she's also something of a socialite. being a woman of high status like herself and having the influence she does, she has to get out, to network, make meaningful connections that will not only help her career, but serve as good friendships.

✧.* and mel has never been shy about you, either. while she believes the personal details of your relationship should be kept private (for the most part), she also adores you, and wants the entire city to see that. it's often that you'll be her date to galas, to conferences, to progress day celebrations of all kinds.

✧.* when your girlfriend invites you along to a cocktail party, it's nothing out of the ordinary. she tells you that the dress code is formal, the venue is small yet still lavish- as always. she'll arrange transportation for you, and meet you in the lobby so you can go together.

✧.* choosing a dress certainly took time, though it was an effort you enjoyed. you'd never been one for events or clothes like this before meeting mel, but getting to be part of her world was fun. seeing the life of a powerful politician and socialite like herself was exciting, something entirely new to you.

✧.* you didn't see the point in buying outfits you'd only wear once, though, so you took to rentals for these events. deciding on a cocktail dress proved a bit more tricky than others, but you managed after several hours of trying on garments, switching sizes, checking price tags, and asking for second opinions from shop attendants. a long satin dress in a dark color with a slit up the right side. not too pretentious for an event like this, but far from casual.

✧.* after arriving at the venue, you'd taken a moment to simply take in your surroundings. white marble floors, gold accents on the doorways, marble pillars and framed portraits in the lobby. the attention to detail in this place was nothing short of incredible.

✧.* "there you are," you hear from behind you, prompting you to turn over your shoulder. a smile tugs at the corner of your lips the moment you recognize who it is. "i couldn't find you. i was getting worried."

✧.* mel places a light kiss on both cheeks, before pulling back to take your hand. though as she pulls back, she can't help noticing the slit up your dress, and just how high it runs. it stops just below your hip, and shows off the smooth skin below when you step to the side. it's tantilizing.

✧.* though she's a professional. she swallows, she rolls her shoulders back, and leads you into the main room. she has to keep herself under control- not just for your sake, but for the public's. what would the other guests do if they saw her looking at your legs like that?

✧.* and still, with a cocktail in one hand and her own hand in the other, even as you're making small talk with other guests, mel can't help her wandering eyes. lingering on that oh so high opening along your dress. her mind drifts to what's under that, how much she'd love to tear that dress off of you right now- but she can't. so she takes a quick sip of her drink, and tries to distract herself.

✧.* yet as soon as you notice exactly where her eyes are, you can't help the low chuckle that escapes you as you teasingly stick your leg out just a little more, revealing that much more of your upper thigh. "distracted, miss medarda?"

✧.* "i'm not distracted," she protests, but you can hear the hitch in her breath when you step out just that bit more. "gods, that isn't fair."

✧.* you only roll your eyes in response, giving her hand a firm squeeze. "save it for later," you whisper. a promise- something to look forward to. "we've gotta behave for now."

✧.* mel isn't able to focus on much else for the rest of the night, to say the very least.

sevika;

✧.* you and sevika live together, for the most part. although you've still got your own place that you pay rent on, you're at sevika's more often than not. it's small, rather run-down and cramped, but it's home. she keeps it clean, keeps your belongings around so that it feels more familiar, even started burning candles once you started coming around for a more welcoming atmosphere. she cares, she truly does.

✧.* though there are some times you want to take some time to yourself. sevika gets it. she's been by herself for much of her life, and the only person occupying her living space would be her. if you need a day or two every few weeks to yourself, then so be it.

✧.* you parted with a kiss to her cheek, and a whispered, "i'll be back, baby." she has your number, so it's not like you won't be talking- and your address, in case of an emergency.

✧.* the two days you took to yourself were uneventful, spent relaxing. you'd read a book, cleaned the place, caught up on laundry, rearranged furniture (several times, out of indecisiveness) and called your girlfriend at odd hours of the night to hear her rough voice. though you decided it was time to go back once you noticed there was nothing left to do, nothing you wanted to do. you enjoyed your own company, but you were ready to be in sevika's.

✧.* you'd worn a simple bralette and pair of sweatpants to her doorstep, your overnight bag slung over your shoulder. you clicked your key into the lock, slowly pushing the door open and stepping into the living room. you never had to announce yourself, sevika was usually there.

✧.* though as she looks up from the book she's reading, you swear you can see her eyes widen. if only for a moment. it's unclear what exactly they're focused on, but you assume it has something to do with your choice of outfit.

✧.* "sorry, didn't feel like a shirt today," you chuckle, situating yourself next to sevika on the couch. placing your overnight bag on one of her side tables, you look up at her, and now you see. now you can see very clearly that your girlfriend's light eyes are lingering on your breasts, and the fact that the lace of the bralette is rather... sheer.

✧.* "yeah, uh- don't worry about it," she mutters, her eyes flitting to the side. for the love of janna, you've just gotten back. she can't be all over you right now. "you... you can start unpacking, if you want."

✧.* you cast her a sidelong glance, though slowly get up from the couch. you take the bag and unzip it, beginning to take out some clean clothes you've brought and turning on your heel to put them away in her room. yet still, you feel sevika's gaze lingering on you. on your tits.

✧.* "that distracting, huh?" you tease, casting a look over your shoulder. sevika lets out a heavy sigh, but nods- there's no point in denying it. she's never been particularly shy about her fondness for your boobs, either. "yeah. something like that."

caitlyn;

✧.* you and caitlyn have a dinner date planned tonight. it's the day before your anniversary- you would've loved to celebrate on the actual day, but something that your girlfriend couldn't get out of came up at work. though it wasn't ideal, you understood. you still have today to celebrate, don't you?

✧.* so naturally, you pulled one of your best dresses from your closet to wear. a light color that compliments your complexion, something simple enough that it's not too much for a restaurant- but still formal enough for the occasion.

✧.* caitlyn had also taken care to wear one of her best dresses, style her hair, do her makeup in a way she knew would draw you in (despite you thinking she's beautiful no matter what she does).

✧.* you'd agreed to meet each other at the place, but caitlyn had taken care to make sure it was within walking distance from both of you. the attention your girlfriend paid to detail never ceased to amaze you, neither did her consideration.

✧.* upon arriving at the restaurant, you take a few moments waiting. you sit down on one of the benches offered, patient, until a hostess spots you and asks if you need help. you inform her that you're waiting for somebody, only to be told that caitlyn is already sat at your table. you're at the table within seconds.

✧.* "i'm so sorry, i didn't keep you waiting, did i?" you breathe out, slinging your bag over the back of the chair. "not at all," she assures, giving a gentle smile. her piercing blue eyes soften every time they fix on you, something you've come to know and love. "i got here early, anyways. i'm just glad you're here."

✧.* but before you sit down, cait's eyes travel down, down, to your hips. the way the dress you chose perfectly hugs them and accentuates the curve. she's always had such a weak spot for those hips, and this dress isn't helping.

✧.* "...you look beautiful, by the way," she says, clearing her throat shortly thereafter. you're in public, caitlyn, behave yourself. she orders her food, she makes small talk with you over your drinks, she makes a point to try and distract herself with the fact it's your anniversary. this is a refined celebration, anything else can wait for later.

✧.* and it's working, until you tell your girlfriend that you have to go to the bathroom quickly, you'll be back. you step out to the side to get up, and her eyes are immediately drawn back to your hips and just how incredible they look in that dress. then you turn to walk in the direction of the bathroom, she sees them sway, and caitlyn is gone. her mind wanders to how they'd look if she pulled your skirt up just that bit, or how they'd look bent over her desk.

✧.* caitlyn tries to finish her meal in peace, she really does. but she finds it increasingly difficult with just how distracted she is. once you return, she's flushed, she's playing with her food, she's stumbling over her words. "cait, baby, is everything alright?"

✧.* "mhm. yes, yes, everything is wonderful. don't worry about me," she rushes out, taking a quick bite of her food. though something tells you she's not telling the full truth- but by the flush dusting her cheeks and the tips of her ears, you have a feeling you'll find out later.

maddie;

✧.* you and maddie have frequent sleepovers, alternating between your own apartment and hers. it's a routine of sorts: maddie will come to your place after work with a bag full of her things for the night, greet you with a kiss on the cheek and a firm embrace. she often brings gifts for you as well: little things. snacks, a bracelet she saw while window shopping, the likes.

✧.* today is no different. maddie had to take a double at work, so she's taking a bit longer than usual, but this isn't out of the ordinary. being a junior officer is nothing if not time-consuming. until then, you've decided to occupy yourself by making dinner for your girlfriend. she's done all this work, she deserves it- besides, you know she'd do the same for you.

✧.* it's rather late, you having already showered and changed into your pajamas. you've eaten your dinner, now it's just a waiting game for your girlfriend.

✧.* as soon as maddie walks in the door, she's hit by the aroma of dinner cooking. her favorite, too. it's a familiar smell, and makes her all the more eager to finally see you. though when she walks into the kitchen, she sees you in a loose tee, and... sleep shorts. tight ones, that hug the shape of your ass just right. maddie's always had something of a dirty mind, and it immediately goes to all the things she could be doing with that ass. but she hasn't even said hello yet.

✧.* so she forces herself to reign it in, snaking her arms around your waist from behind. the girl rests her chin on your shoulder, gently brushing her lips against your temple. "hi, gorgeous," she hums, nestling a bit closer to you. "sorry i took so long."

✧.* you shake your head, giving her a reassuring smile before kissing her cheek in return. "don't worry about it. i know how work is. dinner's almost ready, okay?"

✧.* she nods in response, but doesn't loosen her grip on you. she's glad you're doing this for her. you've always been so thoughtful, so sweet when it comes to her, but still, her mind keeps going back to how incredible you look in those shorts. how badly she wants to take them off.

✧.* once you announce that dinner is ready and set down a steaming plate on the table, maddie reluctantly pulls herself from you to sit down. she starts eating, of course. she's grateful for what you've done for her. "i'm gonna clean up a bit, okay?" you hum, before turning back to the counter, and maddie nearly chokes.

✧.* she's watching you move swiftly throughout the kitchen- wiping down the counter, organizing spices, washing dishes, cleaning cabinet handles. yet she's not watching any of the actual tasks, only the way you look in those little sleep shorts. good gods.

✧.* but you can feel her gaze on you from behind, searing into you. burning, almost. without turning around, you pause at one of the cabinets. "...you're staring," you state. not a question, but an observation. "is it that interesting?"

✧.* maddie takes a moment to swallow, slowly shaking her head as if you could see her. "not exactly, just... you look amazing in those shorts, yeah?"

[theanoninyouraskblog]

Ok. Ok. I have so many thoughts I dont think they're going to fit into the tags so I'm just going to try and write them plaintext and hope that makes them a little more coherent.

Just from the beginning we have the frame tinted green. It's the color of the city, the color that accompanies Jerry, nominally Poppy's color, the color of hostility. But I think this is the first time we haven't seen it exhibeted from the higher powers- Jerry- the city- the fear of the people- it's coming from Teflon as he's cold- exacting. He doesn't want Poppy to get any ideas. Meanwhile Muskat and Tink are in the same room but they're set outside of the frame- tinted in the colors of saftey- of love- pinks and oranges and they look so tender, Kat brushing out Tink's hair, undoing Tink's braid so she doesn't have to resemble Poppy anymore. You've just beautifully divided these caracters- drawn the lines of this scene so subtly we can feel the distance between these two interactions happening in the same room- AUGH Every time it gets me.

And the way both Tef and Kat are showing their love- Kat reaching out with gentle direct affection- and Tef going straight for the heart of the problem. And HELL Tink's hairdoo!!!! Sheooks adorable with that wilde mane- but also I was looking at her trying to figure out what she reminds me of and then it hit me. KAT! She looks like the younger versions of Kat we see and oooohhhh that hit me right in the heart, on the warpath and everything. Gosh tink's face- resolute- furious- wild and kat's little smile off to the side. And the absolute devistation on Poppy's face- immediately she's fallen back on the dehumanizing language- the language Jerry uses to adress Tink- but the look on her face, it's not a matter of disrespect, not a lack of care, Poppy means it when she says creature.

"She's my blood" What a gut punch of a line. The duality of self deprication- of self awarness- Poppy knows exactly what she is. She knows exactly what she's done. She knows she's been a monster- I can only imagine she's wondering what she would have become if she had half the motive Tink does. Her vision of the future- of Tink in glorious tactical gear- with a flame thrower and Poppy beaten and disarrayed as everything around her goes up inflames. And suddenly you have to be in the mind of the last child Poppy technically had claim over. Jerry isn't Poppy's kid- not by blood no- but Jerry was a test tube baby in Poppy's lab- at the heart of Poppy's experiments. The last "daughter" Poppy had ruined her- took her revenge and Poppy's eye stripped her of her science and her class and her power- continues to taunt her. How can se expect anything else from Tink? It's aweful, its wretched, I will never stop thinking about it.

It's so interesting to see Kat and Tef's conflicting opinions on Poppy. Kat's endlessly gracious, endlessly forgiving, even though by all rights it was him who was personally dealt the greatest harm, but its Tef who remembers the horror of it, Tef who bore witness to the way Poppy betrayed them, the way she hurt them both, the way she hurt the man he loves. Muskat no idealist, he understands that the world they live in isn't kind, he knows it could be better, but compared to Tef he's the picture of an optimist. And you can feel Tef's coldness, the harsh way he adresses Poppy, the way he talks about her, it's the way he defends them, by being as brutally realist as he can. I'm reminded of the comic where he's trying not to soften towards Tink because he knows she'll be used against them, the way that Muskat presses him to set that aside and allow himself the joy tink would bring to them regaurdless of the reason she was given to him. It's just- you have such a strong grasp of your characters and I feel endlessly for them. I love them, I am gripped by them.

Gosh Poppy looks wrecked. But she's looked wrecked since the beginning of this comic. Her suit was a mess, but now she's not just rumpled, she's dirty, she's drunk, she's collapsed. And again we return to the shades of green! A subtle thing this time- the city and its hostility is a much more blue green than tef's hostility earlier which perhaps speaks to the fact that even though he rightly hates Poppy, resents her, he understands she's not in a great position either, he's a measure gentler than he might be if he didn't understand. And now! Jerry! Ephegenia!

The way she towers over this scene both because Poppy is literally on the ground and also because sheholds all the powerbetween them- and she's got her makeup on too- she's got her mask on. She's impervious. Atop the world. Gloating- until suddenly she isn't. It's interesting that when Poppy lashes out verbally, cuts the shit and just tells her to fuck off the green tint across her drops for a moment- the inherent hostility the power she holds- disrupted- momentarily broken in shock before it settles back into place.

You used a phrase to describe Poppy once that I think is really fitting- endlessly chipper. She's been beaten, broken- lost an eye, lost her status, lost her science, her friends, but she never lets the facade fall, its obvious it bothers her, otherwise she wouldn't pursue that stuff so doggedly, but she never lets anyone see it bothers her. The closest we've ever gotten is the scene with her protesting the council's unfair treatment, she was furious then, and I think these are the only times we've really see the mask fall… completely at least, and we can certainly infer it happened after the pregancy- but hell, even when Jerry sprung on her that Tink is her kid she didn't let the devistation sit with her, she denies it. Gosh Poppy is so compelling, the things that have stakes to her, her personal moral compass, her own feelings towards her atrocities, she comes across as ruthlessly pragmatic. She'll do Anything it takes. But you get the sense that she doesn't sleep easily for it, though she'd like you to beleive it.

To some extent, she doesn't seem to regret a great deal of what she did, but it still weighs on her, and in this moment you really feel that she's truly letting herself face the weight of what she's done, and wallow in it. She wants Jerry to leave her alone, not because she blames Jerry, but because she blames herself, and doesn't want Jerry rubbing her face in it.

I am endlessly curious to know what Ephegenia expected, Poppy to lash out, placing blame on everyone else, perhaps physically, as Ephegenia clearly expects and wants the proof that the convicts are violent, she wanted rage, but I don't think she expected misery.

This is utterly spectacular. I am absolutely captivated by your ability to convey mood and tone, and your beautiful expression work, and as always I am obsessed with you characters. Their story is deeply compelling to me and I am ever excited to see the turns it will take next.

this is not the personality development ephegenia had had in mind with her last move.

more about these characters here^^

[galacticlamps]

hey no pressure to answer this but I'm really curious about some of the stuff you've said recently about Four's era kind of. avoiding looking backwards/being emotional and I was wondering if you had any more thoughts about that? I feel like it hits the reason I struggle to connect with Four but I can't put it into words myself o:

aw man, I actually have a lot of thoughts on this, but I've never bothered writing them down before, because I didn't see why anyone else would care to read them. I'm gonna enjoy answering this either way, but can I also say no pressure to read it all? Because I'm really sorry if this is like, way more than you bargained for but I want to make sure I elaborate on everything I say enough that people can understand why I feel this way, and that I'm not just coming from a place of negativity - so I know it's gonna wind up being long.

the short answer is I totally agree he's hard to connect to, and I think it's down to a combination of the way he fits into the show/his status as the longest lasting and most iconic version, and the show's to-do list while he was in the role.

Also, I won't tag it, even though I'm really not trying to say I don't like him (because I do, just not as much as all the other Doctors).

Long explanation starts here, enter at your own risk:

I'll just go ahead and say my most controversial Four opinion right at the beginning, shall I? It's not terribly important, but I wind up thinking of it often these days, for obvious reasons: I feel very reminded of Four's era when I hear arguments against current (Chibnall) Who. For the sake of clarity - I mean the real arguments, not the stupid 'not my doctor' misogynistic bs, but the people who point out that we don't know the main characters as well as we should given how long we've had them. Somehow, the focus has shifted (to what exactly, I'm not sure - I think hindsight will help with that, and seeing how he wants his era to end will of course give us a perspective we always already have on every show runner who isn’t the current one).

And that's the gist of why I find it hard to get invested in Four - somehow, despite being on television for the longest, I feel like I have seen the least moments showcasing Four's distinct character out of any other Doctor, before or after him. And, thinking it over, I think there are two main places where that feeling comes from:

1) Four as the "Default Doctor"

Before I watched the classic series, I was always slightly confused about what made Four the most iconic version of the character. I'm sure at some point I looked it up and saw that he'd been on the show the longest, and I knew he traveled with some companions that were so popular even I'd heard about them before I ever watched anything pre-2005. But I also think it goes past how long he was on the show, or how popular the show was in the 70s vs in the 60s or the 80s, for example. I think a lot of it really does have to do with the fact that Four's character could very much be described as the 'default' version of the Doctor as a whole. I'm not trying to say he doesn't have his own character traits, but his main traits are very Doctor-y things that really have to be part of every version of the character, just in different doses. He's strange and otherwordly, always intelligent but sometimes arrogant and insufferable about it, sometimes silly and comical about it. He's curious, and cares enough to get involved with helping people in the various places where the Tardis lands, but also aloof enough to maintain an air of mystery so that most people he meets don't know he and his friends are time travelers, and they don't form attachments to the places they pass through easily. He has a strong sense of right and wrong, and a desire to see things set right. The problem is, I don't know a single Doctor those things couldn't be said for, and then I run out of things to say about Four that seem like major parts of his character.

I realize that might sound a little biased, but even outside of how I personally compare Doctors, Four seems to get this treatment. Think of the short little epitaphs we often see defining and describing each Doctor, especially the classic ones. They aren't always the same, but you can usually guess what a person will say about 1 though 8 if they're only given a few words to identify them, either in a line on the show or a 'canon' short story or a social media post or whatever - One is known as the "grumpy grandfather" or something similar, Two is the "cosmic hobo," Three becomes the "Bond Doctor," Five usually gets something in the vein of "polite dad doctor," Six is the rude one, Seven is the chessmaster, Eight is the Romantic. But Four? How often is Four's description about his character, and how often is it about his appearance? Teeth and curls? The Scarf? The Jelly Babies or the Robot Dog? I don't think I'm imagining it when I say that more than any other Doctor, Four gets identified with superficial traits as his defining feature, rather than things that tell you at least a little about that Doctor's particular character traits, whether or not they're an accurate description for each incarnation.

Of course, there's a positive side to this too, and more than anything else, that has convinced me I'm not imagining it. I know one of the show's original creators (at the moment, I can't recall if it was Verity Lambert or Sydney Newman) is said to have admitted that Tom Baker's portrayal of the character was closest to what they originally had in mind when creating the series. And even if that turns out to be one of those flattering remarks used to market a new Doctor (I have no recollection of when the quote was from, during or after Four's run), it makes a lot of sense - Pertwee was the Doctor when the show went in an entirely unique and self-contained direction, Troughton's job was to continue the story but take the character into new territory, rather than trying to play Hartnell’s Doctor. On the other hand, Tom Baker really did come into the role at a point where it was possible, and even preferable story-wise, for the Doctor to fit into the original idea for the character, and just because I personally would prefer someone who is only one of many versions of a character (which was also not the case when Four was written, he was one of just 4) to stand out from the others more starkly, that doesn't mean that it was a bad choice to make him more generic.

This actually links up kind of nicely with my second big bullet point:

2) During Four's run, the writers were focused on lots of things that weren't character development.

Four's era had a lot going on, and his writers were on the whole pretty game to take the show in new directions and pour their attention into committing to that, which I will never really condemn for Doctor Who. I believe quite firmly that the show's ability to change so much is one of its strongest points, and even though I develop obvious personal favorites, I'm always pro-changing it up every so often, and I don't even want my favorite eras to go on forever. I've also been surprised by what I did like on this show many times, so I rarely know what direction I want it to go in, but even when I'm not as in love with one period as I could be, I'm never really put off by it because I know at any moment it could turn into something I happen to really vibe with.

So I'm not trying to criticize the fact that the show did go in so many different directions while Four was the Doctor, but I think it's important to remember just how much was going on at the time. For one, they pulled the show all the way out of the earthbound/UNIT focus that had been a staple for years at that point, and eventually changed it back to baseless wanderings through space. They also experimented with more interlinked stories than the show had ever done before at that point - first with the way every story in Four's first season led directly into the others, and then later with the introduction of Series-long arcs (Key to Time) and smaller multi-story arcs (E-Space Trilogy). While all this was happening, they also spent a good chunk of Four's era delving into themes & tropes - like the run of Gothic Horror stories, some of which involved directly adapting parts of existing classics like Frankenstein and the Phantom of the Opera, and figuring out how best to incorporate everything that goes along with that. Later on, they had Douglas Adams at the helm, and even though the show had always been funny, Comedy became a more focused element of the show than it ever had been before. And throughout all this, there were always periodic stories taking us back to Gallifrey (or Skaro) and really really expanding on the lore/backstory/world building/whatever you want to call it.

One of the reasons I like how often Doctor Who changes is because I know it can't be all things to all people at all times. It's real job is to tell episodic, self-contained science fiction stories, and once you have a stand-alone plot and characters for the current adventure, there's only so much room in a serial for whatever else you want to put in - and when Four was the Doctor, there were a lot of other things they wanted to incorporate, so I don't think it's unfair to say that character insights often took a backseat to those other priorities.

The thing that illustrates this the most clearly for me is Four's Companions' entrances and exits - because those moments are some of the simplest & easiest ways to get all the characters to show some emotion and open up about how they really feel about one another (and themselves!), even if they don't usually do so. And Four has so many companions, it should be easy to get some insights into his character through those relationships, right? But then you think about it.

To address the entrances first: Four inherits Sarah Jane from Three (and on top of that, she already knows about regeneration, so it isn't quite the Big Deal with a sideplot about trusting the 'new' Doctor that it was with Ben and Polly or even Rose, for example). Harry Sullivan gets invited along as a prank that gets out of hand. Leela invites herself aboard, Romana gets assigned to Four, and Adric sneaks into the Tardis as a stowaway. He meets Nyssa and Tegan as Four but doesn't really travel with them until he becomes Five, but even then, Nyssa’s planet gets destroyed so she has nowhere else to go, and he supposedly intends to return Tegan home from the start.

And the end result of all of this is, we never once get to see Four meet somebody and decide he likes them enough to ask them to travel with him. Companion introductions are usually moments where we can get a glimpse of the Doctor's real feelings - we see who they admire, and how much or how little they struggle to admit that to the person. We hear what they think is worth it and exciting about the life they already lead in the Tardis, and how they'd convince someone else to join them. But with Four, we miss out on every opportunity for even a small moment like that. Yeah, Eleven's long-awaited scene with Amy or his multiple offers to different Claras were probably too much to hope for at this point, but even the smaller emotional beats of One inviting Vicki along or Two warning Zoe about the dangers would've been stand-out moments for someone like Four, who so rarely shows us how he feels.

Then when you look at the exits, it's almost worse (in terms of missed opportunities for character development, I mean) - because every single one of Four's companions leaves voluntarily, and usually, without any great threat/pressing reason/difficult choice for them to go. Including K-9. Twice. Now, I’m not trying to say all companions need to be tragically and permanently ripped away from life on the Tardis like the modern show frequently does, but Four’s era really seems to have gone out of its way to steer clear of anything that could’ve been emotional or revealing. UNIT, the Brig, Benton, and Harry all disappear without acknowledgment, and Romana I literally dies and regenerates offscreen, with no explanation and hardly any comment on it ever given onscreen. There’s so little resistance on all sides when companions exit the show, mainly because there’s so little time spent on their decisions and the aftermath, so naturally it winds up carrying a bit of an implication that leaving the Doctor isn’t really something most companions are all that unwilling to do, and that can cast a shadow of doubt over the rest of their relationship as well, especially when it was never something the show focused on too much in the first place.

I feel like it's important that I point out - I'm not trying to say there wasn't any emotion when Sarah Jane or Romana left, and I'm not trying to argue that those relationships weren't as important to the Doctor as other Doctor’s companions, because I think we all know they were, or at least, were supposed to be - but I do think the writers in Four's time were significantly less interested in spending airtime proving that than those of some other eras were.

Four is a rather private and unemotional Doctor, and I get that, but there’s a difference between a character being unwilling to open up to other characters, and writers choosing not to foreground that character’s inner thoughts and values in what they present to the audience. Plenty of other Doctors keep things to themselves or put on a brave faces for their companions, but a lot of the time, their writers will use that to highlight the contrast of even a few short moments where the audience, if no one else, gets to see through that - but with Four that doesn’t seem to have been something anyone was interested in doing.

That’s why the companions entrances & exits stick out to me as so significant - even if you don’t want the plot of the show to revolve around them or the Doctor’s relationships with them, those are natural points that present themselves as easy opportunities to spend a little time showing us what’s going on in the Doctor’s head and in his heart - and you’d think, if you had a character who didn't like showing their emotions and admitting to missing people, and you wanted to give the audience a glimpse of how much they really do care for their companions - because that level of character depth was important to you - you might put them in a more difficult/tragic position once or twice, just so you could be excused if they did let the facade slip. So when all of Four’s companions decide they want to leave him, we loose yet another easy opportunity to gain some insight into how Four feels about people, on top of the ones we’ve already missed at their entrances.

That's why I put this all under "the writers had other priorities" - I think it's less of a question of Four's character vs any other Doctor, and more just a side effect of what we see on screen. One isn't known for being the most open Doctor ever, but we still get to see how sad he is that Ian and Barbara left when he talks with Vicki after they're gone. Most people wouldn't say Victoria is the most important companion to ever be on the show, but after the plot of Fury from the Deep is wrapped up, we have several scenes devoted to her departure, and the only reason to include them is because of their emotional weight. In other words, we never would’ve gotten those scenes if Fury was a Fourth Doctor story, presumably because it wouldn’t have been deemed important enough.

Four's episodes definitely acknowledge (and even at times, directly state) how much he cares for his companions, but for a run so long there are shockingly few moments when the audience gets to see him reflecting on that, and it can't just be that there was never any time - it also had to be that it wasn't on these writers' radar as much as it must have been for, say, whoever decided we needed those shots of Three driving alone in the sunset after Jo leaves, just to underscore his loneliness.

I don't think showcasing the main characters' relationships or inner thoughts, feelings, and emotions was ever a main priority of the people creating Four's era, but hey, those are the kind of trade-offs writers need to make when they want to do something different with a long-running show - plus, loads of people love Four's era and his character, so it can't have totally backfired. Maybe a lot of fans of him and his companions are specifically the kind of people who like to see characters they're told matter to each other in the actual source material, and enjoy having the freedom to fill in the gaps about their relationship in their own imagination - I do genuinely admire people like that. But personally, I think I needed there to be a little more to latch onto in order to feel like I really knew Four, which is why, even though I find it impossible to actually rank all the Doctors, he's always the one I feel the least attached to.

I don't think he's a bad Doctor and I don't even really like calling him my least favorite, even though I know he has to be. I just feel like, somehow, I know him the least - and since I think all 13 Doctors are genuinely good and interesting characters, that automatically places all the ones I feel I understand better and more deeply ahead of him, before I even get into which ones I happen to vibe with the most. Even in Eight’s one movie or Nine’s one season, I feel like we see more of what's going on in their head and in their heart than we do after years of Four, which made his run a bit disappointing for me, honestly.

I know that to some degree, the obvious answer is that I should go look at his EU stuff, since those are the kinds of gaps fans and storytellers are most likely to seize upon, but I haven't done that too much for Four. In general, I'm driven to seek out extended universe books and audios when there's a character I'm already really attached to that I just want more content for, not out of curiosity about characters I know less well - that's why I've listened to more audios with Donna Noble than with the Eighth Doctor. Of course, there's also a financial element to that, since EU stuff is harder to find in libraries and streaming services - if I'm going to spend money on something, I do kind of want to know it'll be something I'll enjoy enough to return to, instead of just listening to it once to learn more about a character. But who knows, maybe at some point in my life when I'm less concerned about rent, I'll have time to get to know Four better.

Right now, I've only come across him in the EU when he appears in a multi-Doctor story - I like those for the same reason I don't super like Four's TV run: I enjoy getting to hear what the Doctor thinks of their other selves, and how being confronted with their past or future affects them personally. His cameo in Deleted Scenes was nice because even though he had to be prompted into action by Sarah Jane, it demonstrated how much he values both her and Jamie. The only story from his own range (Fourth Doctor Adventures) that I've listened to is Fate of Krelos/Return to Telos because I knew it tied in with a TV episode I liked (and I’ll be honest, it was on sale). Obviously, I enjoyed going back to Two & Jamie in that audio, but even before we got to their part I was already appreciating the dynamic he had with Leela. That relationship is a whole other issue I have with Four's era on TV, of course, but I also find that racist & colonial 'civilizing the savage' plot to be so hard to believe coming from someone like the Doctor, who does nothing but travel through time, appreciating and valuing people and cultures that are supposedly "less advanced" than his own, that I can't really see it as anything other than bad, out-of-character writing from some white english men. It strikes me as such a plothole I try not to hold it against the character, even though it does seriously affect my ability to enjoy a lot of his run.

In Krelos though, they start the audio getting ready to go fishing, which I thought was friendlier and more domestic than Leela and Four usually were in the 70s - and, when they find something of Jamie's in the old console room, not only is Four clearly affected by it, but Leela's able to call him out on it and ask questions about Jamie and the past, and he manages to answer several of them and dwell on it a bit while still being appropriately mysterious - which again, I thought was both a) more of and b) better than their relationship as seen on TV.

I feel like most of Four's Big Finish stuff is probably (hopefully) similar in terms of showing deeper, more developed (and yes, less racist) relationships between Four and his companions, but I can't quite say I'm invested in him enough to actually put in the work to find out.

On the brighter side, since I hardly ever rewatch Four’s stories, I can say that any time I do wind up seeing one, I’m automatically sent back to the first time I ever watched classic who, since it’s much fresher in my mind for those stories than the ones I return to frequently. So even though I didn’t grow up with Four (I was born in the 90s), I do sort of understand what it’s like to go back to those for nostalgia alone.

Between that and the multi-Doctor stories, I think I do alright at finding ways to enjoy him, but no, I don’t think I’ve ever found a way to properly connect with him as a character.

[wrong--lever]

Your Thoughts for OW’s Lore At Blizzcon

**Edit - would help to tag you hurr durr @freckledmccree

I like how you will indulge in detailed speculation and interpretation of OW lore and don’t center all ideas around one specific (noncanon) idea but will admit occasional personal bias. I also really appreciate that you steer relatively clear from fanon and when people respond to your writings you don’t have an attitude or seemingly disregard them. Sooo, that’s why I wrote this disgustingly long thing even tho I’m paranoid about being annoying.

 (Apology beforehand if you have answered any of these before, I have not properly stalked your blog yet. Also, excuse my rambling I did my best to be coherent. Lastly, I only have one friend who is kinda into OW and I feel bad to bother them 24/7 so I talk a lot in this.)

McCree Speculation

The following assumes that the new cinematic will be McCree’s.

If there is another known character in the short along with McCree, excluding flashbacks, who do you think it would be? 

I have 3-4 ideas even though I would not say they are likely. And with any of these I don't imagine a role any larger than Brig's in Honor and Glory or even Zarya in Infiltration.

A.) Genji. I don't think it's likely but I wouldn't be surprised. It also might be risky on Blizzard's part because many are salty about Genji's abundance of lore compared to others. (Which is dumb and I would gladly rant on it but it's not the point) Reasons:

Notable increase of McCree's interactions w/him.

McCree might've left OW in a less professional fashion than others. Which would mean he may not have anything to be alerted by for the recall. Especially since he went underground for a while.  Winston’s contact info? Long since changed.

From how I interpret “Dragons” it seems that Genji has received the call as well as offered Hanzo a choice to go w/him “The world is changing once again, Hanzo. And it's time to pick a side.” So why not others?

Genji has also been canonically in touch w/at least one other ex OW member. So why not try to get in touch with another member that we know he directly worked with?

My logic - Why would their interactions matter?

McCree's asking about how Genji dealt with the loss of his body emotionally/physically as well as Genji's response leaves room for the implication that Genji knows how he lost his arm.

Why would Genji go in person?

Well, I mean you probably don't wanna broadcast that your getting the highly illegal band back together. In which said band also is also hated by the UN and every other terrorist organization on the planet.

How will Genji know how to find him?

Cause he's a ninja, duh. But seriously McCree most likely said something before he quit OW and if not Genji would just have to look at the news and he'd be there.

B.) Sombra. If anything I wouldn't be surprised by a small reference to her rather than actually seeing her.

Reflections comic (duh)

My logic - I expect Sombra to get involved with a little bit of everything. She likes making people question their beliefs on who is “right” or “wrong”. 

She would most likely know about the recall so if she wants to manipulate that at all she could be the one to tell McCree about it. Idk, she’s a wildcard with anything.

C.) Fio. The Blackwatch Pilot in Retribution. (I used “known” characters loosely) I'm not sure on my certainty with her, tbh. But I do find it rather intriguing. (I said no flashbacks but maybe with this one)

Fio's only lines that are not directly related towards the mission are all directed towards McCree.

The tone of them is clearly on the teasing/banter side of things.

My logic - Why have this side character show any interest in conversation outside of the task at hand? 

If she was just being used for the game mode and as lore filler it would make more sense to have only lines relating to the mission. Or have generalized ones for the team. But she has multiple focusing on the one and only Jesse McCree.

Reasons for that could be that they ran out of time to add other interactions. Which would explain why McCree does not acknowledge her comments. (The only time he was quiet during the mission is when she talked to him, rip you got denied girl) Or it could be that they knew each other previously or trained together in some of the early days of Blackwatch.

D.) Mercy. This one I would be surprised to see but it would have some logic to it.

Losing his arm, depending on the how/when/where.

She is not one of the characters who speak to him about his arm.

My logic - Who fixed his arm up for him?

Depending on how/when/where he lost his arm he may have shyed away from public hospitals. Especially with Talon  seemingly controlling so much of the press. So he may of wanted someone he personally trusted as well as doctor patient confidentiality.

Why does Mercy of all people not ask about the prosthetic? 

Out of the people who question McCree Mercy isn't one of them. Which may seem odd since she has known him for so long and her being a doctor. However, she does call out his smoking. So this proves she does pay attention to his over all health. (Which I am aware is a much older interaction) But it would have been a good opportunity to have her inquire about the arm there if she doesn't already know.

 Do you think McCree will directly receive the recall or from some other source?

What do you think of the fact that McCree lost his left arm specifically?

If the loss of McCree's arm is related to the Deadlock Gang do you speculate that it was intentionally the arm that had his tattoo on it? With how far McCree got in his career/life with OW and potentially spilling info on the gang when caught some people might want him to hurt. Not just die. To me forcefully sawing off the branding of the gang he betrayed would fit the bill. As well as be a good warning for others. (Not that blizzard would show that)

How do you imagine the camaraderie within Deadlock to be?

I ask this since in “Hero” right before the Los Muertos member throws the grenade it shows him actively choosing to help the other gang members (very broken gang members thanks to Soldier 76)onto the back of the truck instead of getting out ASAP. 

I just found that to be notable in how their social structure works. It makes more sense for Los Muertos specifically since they originally wanted to stand up against the politics and speak out for the people still suffering from the Omnic Crisis. They are not formed from the shady work they do.

Deadlock, however, doesn't seem to represent a core ideology. So I wouldn't be surprised if when OW caught some of them the others ran. Especially since McCree would probably still be pretty low in the pecking order at the time.

Can you imagine a shoot out in the warehouse tho, that'd be so risky people could be anywhere and there's no good line of sight except for where the truck drives through. Sneaky teen McCree climbing around and ish

Do you expect/hope for the origin on any mementos to be revealed?

My only idea is his iconic BAMF belt buckle. We know he's had it for quite a while since he wears it here: 

Just  thought Blizzard could do something cute with it if they wanted.

Do you have any thoughts on the Deadlock Torb skin?

Idk, this is kinda silly but people have talked about it. People do have a good point that it’s odd for him to have that skin.

Lastly, do you have any little head canons that you hope to see confirmed? 

Nothing serious just simple personal hopes from the cinematic which may or may not set you up for disappointment cause fun

(When I first started writing this I had two questions, rip. I'm pretty sure I forgot one of the original questions too)

Other Blizzcon Lore Speculation

Do you have any ideas for the new hero?

Personally, I do not have any super strong theories but I do have a few loose ideas. Tbh, I can’t especially convince myself of any these besides the likelihood of said character being a tank.

A.) Talon Tank

Reasons:

Moira’s origin story contains two possible indicators towards this, or another Talon member in general.

We need another main tank added to the roster (opinion)

Talon has a character for every role except tanking (weak)

Popular request (weak)

My Logic lacking- Majority of this idea comes from Moira’s origin story which shows this relatively well known photo with a person or armored suit of some kind on the back panel here: 

I used to think of this to be much harder evidence than I do now since it looks like it could be a uncolored design used for the Talon members in Retribution. However, there’s another detail in the photo (including the version with the different back panel that I believe could point to another member. Each character, excluding Moira, has their line of sight going to the same spot. My doodles for emphasis:

(Reaper is kind of hard to tell but that’s basically his entire role in Talon at this point, lol) Who are they all looking at? This could just be an artistic choice for viewer immersion but it also could be rather purposeful. To me, it looks like a proposition to someone, with the panel in the back for emphasis. If not a proposition, perhaps the workings of a plan or setting clear expectations for said person. (either version works for this context) This someone must be rather important to have them all there. Moira is looking back at the rest of them, seemingly reading their expressions/body language. She seems pleased but then again she’s a tad bit odd.

B.) Mystery Characters

Idek, I added this cause I could. This is not likely at all but will remain on the list of possibilities as long as Overwatch shall live.

Have been shown or spoken of very early on but nothing since

Recently mentioned names but no physical hints of who/what they are

Tying up some long held questions (weak)

Popular demand (weak)

My logic (or lack there of) - I have exactly one tiny speck of logic for this. Mystery characters shown and/or spoken of before the cancellation of the First Strike comic are still occasionally brought up to the OW team. Yet they have conveniently  not retconned them.  Why not say they are no longer a significant part of the story when there has been no updates on them for 2ish years? Maybe they are just keeping the possibility open. Liao and the two from Ana’s origin story are the best (only?) examples:

There is also more recently mentioned characters such as Ray and Fio. Ray was discussed mostly early this year and all we know about them is the following:

We do not know anything else about who or what Ray is. I do not 100% believe Ray is an actual person but you never know. The comment on the beard and his response to has Ray’s combat experience could be some teasing on Michael Chu’s part. To me, Ray is either a person, an omnic, or some sort of computer system used in the Orca.  I should note that another AI other than Athena would seem odd especially with the whole reason OW formed and all.

(Fio I have already discussed but at least we know she’s an actual person, hopefully...OW is weird man)

What do you think of the common theory of Sanjay Korpal being the next hero?

Personally, I think he lacks the look of an OW character. He looks rather plain to me, almost like a background character used to fill up comic space. I do believe his role is going to grow substantially in the lore but as an in game hero? Eh, I don’t know. Another thing I struggle with imagining is him being a tank like a lot of people presume. It would be interesting with what Vishkar can do with hard light technology to have a tank based on that, I will admit. Just don’t see him filling the role of that, he doesn’t strike me as someone who wants to get his hands dirty. I will admit, that this is very strictly my opinion and read of his character and by no means is anything to go off of speculation wise.

 But, if I’m wrong, then next years first cinematic should definitely be a Symmetra/Lucio one and it should definitely have Symmetra kiCKING HIS ASS FOR MANIPUlATING HER foR GOD KNOWs hOW LONG..ahem.

Do you think a comic will be released soon?

They usually put out comics on Wednesdays but they have been odd this year when it comes to them. Idk, if they’ll announce one at Blizzcon. I kinda doubt it. Personally, I’m hoping for a really kick ass Christmas comic since in Reflections it ended with Winston saying he has a good feeling for “next year” (OW’s next year cause timeline) plus last year’s was cute but underwhelming.

I think that’s all I have to ask/discuss for now? I had ideas keep popping up but I kept going back over what I already wrote and my attention span is all or nothing soooo there goes my ideas into the void.

***Random ass question cause you like RDR2. I keep getting a gamestop ad for it and it’s bugging me cause I can’t make out what this guy is saying. It sounds like “I don’t want to kill all you smooth dutch. Just you.” Idk where the exact video is rip, but I feel like I’m really mishearing the guy, lmao.

Non Sequiturs and Stupid Fangirl Squealing

(possibly completely incoherent warning idk how to wenglish when im excited pls ignore mw)

I saw a comic aart thing once and it had young jesse punch Jack in the face and Reyes thought it was the funniest thing and I feel like that’s in character

What if Reyes had a few choices on who to recruit and he was like I want the cowboy chose the instead of the trained older guys. Ana would be like Reyes no and Reyes would be like I want the damn cowboy

I never realised how much I appreciate McCree’s character until the hints of him having a short started popping up. Before I liked him sure, I just never thought too deep into how they could expand on his character. Originally I was just like, “so Reyes picked this kid out of a big ass gang and had him trained among the world’s most renowned soldiers and he still is perfectly content being a cowboy?” Good for you my dudely man, good for you,

wanna see skinny (lean)  young McCree but everyone will want the skin but it wont look the same with his in game model so blegh

I agree with you on how you think reyes recruited him, so many people think he just yeeted jesse at a bunch of angry omnics and was like lol have a cowboy

Imagine McCree being so confused by the weird ass original OW team like y there captain america, my new found father, a dwarf (swede) and an 8 ft german happy meal

He’d be so intimidated by Ana I bench lift Reinhardt for fun Amari being his coach like asdfsdf

But I think with her training it’d be the first real time he let his guard down without him realizing it because he was so in awe of her sniping skills and being able to get taught by her, bonding over shooting people half a continent away yAY

What if we see lil pharah??? I’ll die???

Okay I’ve said this to another  blog but even tho McCree is not my “type” I’m still gonna need to strap my ovaries in place for this short, cause booooooooyyyyyyyyy (I dont even have a type but I guess I mean a lil scruffy?)