#& his approach can be misguided he can do & say the wrong things bc Hes A Person
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i dont even hate solas as much as i used to but lets not lie to ourselves hes not a saviour to the elves nor is he trying to be. hes a patronising asshole who thinks he knows better than everyone else whats good for them AND he wants one specific people's supremacy Which Is Not Good Btw. anders is an oppressed man w nothing special about him inherently but he became special bc of the choices he made. they are not nearly comparable in any regard
#dragonageposting#again. solas wishes he was emet-selch. anders just wants things to be better for those who have it bad#& his approach can be misguided he can do & say the wrong things bc Hes A Person#but that is still. the force driving him.#edit THIS POST WAS MADE BEFORE VEILGUARD I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHANGES IN CHARACTERISATION BTWN GAMES#solas is so much better now. no longer wishes to be emet-selch hes something else entirely#not better. not worse. just his own thing.#fascinating the angle changes they went for with him. like yeah i fuck with that actually sorry#still not happy on a meta sense though that the elven gods are all false gods but its not like solas as a character is responsible for it#like it is nasty to go 'yeah these marginalised ppl's faith is based on lies & is illegitimate & also their gods had them enslaved'#but thats on a worldbuilding level not a specific character writing level. different things
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They dealt with all of the above. Ringo was treated as a joke for pretty much everything, especially since this was the era of prog rock. His personal life was also tabloid fodder. George was derided as being a dour spiritual nut who was out of touch. He along w/ Ringo didn't get the respect he deserved as a guitarist bc his style wasn't in at the time & people knew little about his role in The Beatles. All credit went to Lennon/McCartney. 1/2
John had the benefit of having the rebel genius image, but even he became a source of ridicule with all the stunts he pulled with Yoko and the way his career declined after Imagine. He wasn't deified to the degree he was in the 80s. I'm not trying to say Paul never had a hard time, but the way this fandom talks as if he is the only one who faced extreme criticism or disrespect just tells me they haven't looked much into the other Beatles' lives. The man is more admired than most musicians. 2/2
(IDK if this screenshotted anons were from the same person or not, but Iâll just answer them in this one since itâs all the same subject.)
Hereâs what I think is valid, as I see it: Paul fans are upset by the way his music was treated by the music press, especially in the first few years of the 70s, while the music of the other three were generally given at least the benefit of the doubt. Theyâre not upset about the tabloid gossip, the purely personal stuff â they are upset, specifically and with good reason, at the way Paulâs music was treated and the way the music worldâs personal dislike of him seeped into their music reviews. Iâm gonna focus in on 1970 through the end of 1974, since this is where a lot of the complaints spawn from, and things start to shift in a big way in 74. You didnât ask but contemporary writings about their early solo music is something Iâm fascinated by anyway and you turned the wind-up toy key in my back, so. Off I go. This is gonna be so, so long.
At different points in the decade, all of them were subject to a sullying of their personal reputations. That is where I do agree with you: all of them were subjected to that by the press, to varying degrees, at varying times, and for various reasons for each of them. That is just what happens to public figures the longer they are public figures. Tabloids mess with everyone no matter how beloved they are.Â
However, thatâs not what I generally see Paul fans getting upset about. What I see is that theyâre upset at the way the much more legitimate and widely respected music press approached Paulâs music and talent in general. It is widely received knowledge now that the critics treated Paulâs music differently than they did Johnâs and Georgeâs and even Ringoâs; the trashing was not âequal.â They came at John and George with the assumption that their talent was real and ongoing outside of the Beatles, their genius unquestionable, their motives pure and well-intentioned and honest. Paul was not afforded these assumptions. Some examples to show what I mean, most of them found through wikipedia, rocksbackpages, or rollingstone.com.
John
Plastic Ono Band was Robert Christgauâs number one album of 1970 in The Village Voice. from Creemâs review: âJohn's record, of course, has been righteously raved over ever since its release, justifiably. It's interesting and even enlightening to see a man working out his trauma on black plastic but more than that, it's totally enthralling to see that Lennon has once again unified, to some degree, his life and his music into a truly whole statement.â From High Fidelityâs review: "a tremendously exciting listening experience, perhaps the best any Beatle has ever offered." In their Imagine review, Rolling Stone called POB âperfect.â A couple reviews in the mainstream were more mixed, put off a little by the rawness of it, but overall the rock world quickly grew to see this album as a work of genius.
Imagine was even more widely well-reviewed, despite a mixed review from Rolling Stone (John fell out with Jann Wenner around this time, curiously). Hereâs a passage from rateyourmusic.com:Â âImagine was actually one of the most critically acclaimed albums of the year, aside from this tepid review in Rolling Stone. Indeed, much of the rock press seemed palpably relieved that the former Beatle hadn't gone completely off the deep end. âIt's the best album of the year, and for me it's the best album he's done, with anything, or with anyone, at any time,â Roy Hollingworth wrote in the 10/9/71 issue of Melody Maker. âThe album is superb,â Alan Smith agreed in the 9/11/71 issue of NME. âBeautiful. One step away from the chill of his recent total self-revelation, and yet a giant leap towards commerciality without compromise...I have no criticism at all.ââ
Some Time in New York City was admittedly Johnâs nadir, and the press was vicious about it, both personally and musically, deeming the album egotistical, lacking in energy, and devoid of sincerity. However, many maintained a reverence for the genius that came before it and hopeful encouragement for the future. Rolling Stone said that âThe Lennons should be commended for their daring;â Creem said it wasnât half bad; and even though NMEâs article was scathing, it ended with a plea for John to return to form, saying, âDon't rely on cant and rigidity. Don't alienate. Stimulate. You know, like you used to.â
Mind Games, though reviews were mixed, fared far better in comparison. Again, there is a hopeful tone to the reviews, a sureness that John can do better. From Rolling Stone talks about the music being a return to POB form, but the writing is his worst yet; however, Landau qualifies this by saying the lyrics arenât âoffensive, per se, just misguided... [John Lennonâs admirers] might even be able to withstand something more challengingâ and then praises Johnâs voice, his production, and a few individual songs. In Melody Maker, Ray Coleman says, âif you warm to the rasping voice of Lennon and, like me, regard him as the true fulcrum of much of what came from his old group, then like any new Lennon album, it will be enjoyable and even important.â Christgau is more middling but also says, âStill, the single works, and let's hope he keeps right on stepping.â
Walls and Bridges seems confusing to reviewers in retrospect. They couldnât seem to come to a consensus on it. The musicianship was widely praised, for the most part, though Rolling Stone criticized the first side on this front; reviewers alternately said it was âthe latest chapter in John Lennonâs Identity Crisisâ (Creem) and âtruly a superb album by any standardsâ (Melody Maker). Throughout the Rolling Stone review, the author is able to thoroughly critique the songs, for better or worse, with a neutral affect and without resorting to insulting John personally. He ends the review on a positive note: âWhen one accepts oneâs childhood, oneâs parenthood and the impermanence which lies between, one can begin to slog along. When John slogs, he makes progress.â Again, even though the reviews arenât all positive, we can see, especially and most importantly in the most influential rock magazine of the time, the acknowledgment of his talent, a sense of excitement for what John will do next, and a belief that his work is authentic and honest.
George
All Things Must Pass, I mean. Apart from a couple of outliers like Christgau in The Village Voice (he called it âoverblown fatuityâ), it was incredibly, almost universally beloved by the music press when it came out. There was quite a bit of surprise that such a talent had been under everyoneâs noses all this time, but I donât think anon is quite correct that all the credit for the Beatles went to Lennon/McCartney. For example, Ben Gerson in Rolling Stone recognized Georgeâs talent within the Beatles like this: âUp until now, George has been perhaps the premier studio musician among rock band guitarists. From the electronic whine which began âI Feel Fineâ to the break in âHard Dayâs Nightâ to the crazed, sitar-influenced burst on âTaxman,â George exhibited an avant-garde imagination and a technical flawlessness, as well as the ability to stay within the bounds of a song, which has remained unparalleled.â In Melody Maker, the feeling of journalists was summed up thusly: hearing the album was âthe rock equivalent of the shock felt by pre-war moviegoers when Garbo first opened her mouth in a talkie: Garbo talks! â Harrison is free!" The personal nature and honesty of the lyrics were praised as well; Time described it as an âexpressive, classically executed personal statement.â Ben Gerson did call his proselytizing offensive, but in the next sentence says that George redeems himself from that with the personal plea in Hear Me Lord.
Concert for Bangla Desh - again, some cynicism from Christgau in The Village Voice (must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed that day) and of course tax issues dogged it later, but overall, for the rock press at the time, this was a crowning achievement that George pulled off. He was praised all over the press, countercultural and mainstream, for his live musical talent, the group of musicians that joined him, the lack of political motivation, the sincerity and goodwill, and Georgeâs ability to bring back "a brief incandescent revival of all that was best about the Sixties" (Rolling Stone). To this day he is credited with creating the model for future charity concerts.Â
Living in the Material World - Nothing could have topped the one-two punch of ATMP and the Concert for Bangla Desh, but honestly, LITMW came pretty close for some journalists. Rolling Stone again praised Georgeâs honesty and authenticity: â Despite the occasional use of âpsychedelic puns,â Harrisonâs lyrics are so guileless they convey an extraordinary sincerity that transcends questions of craftsmanship. Similarly, the devotions we are called upon to share with Harrison, though they communicate no specific, private torment, do have the authenticity of overheard prayers and are therefore sacred.â Melody Maker said, "Harrison has always struck me before as simply a writer of very classy pop songs; now he stands as something more than an entertainer. Now he's being honest." The pushback against his pious attitude and lyrics picked up some steam with this album, particularly with Christgau (again) and Tony Tyler of NME, who called it âso damn holy I could scream.â However, it was far from the consensus opinion at the time, and with the biggest rock magazine in the world at your back, you can withstand quite a bit.
Dark Horse, oof. That poor man. It did get some positivity in Billboard and Melody Maker, but my god, the reviews for this album and its subsequent tour were so cruel. I suspect when these anon(s) talk about the others being treated terribly by the press as well, this, along with Johnâs STINYC, is one of the examples they would give, and theyâre not wrong about that. This was the point where Georgeâs piety and what they perceived as a sanctimonious attitude finally started really getting to everyone, and the album plus the tour was the perfect opportunity to dogpile on him. I guess it was to be expected; no one can ride that high forever, and the press loves to knock people over and kick them while theyâre down. Rolling Stone called it âdisastrous,â âshoddy,â and called his guitar work ârudimentary,â eventually declaring that George had ânever been a great artist.â This from the same magazine that was practically worshipping at his feet the year before. Yowch.
Ringo
Sentimental Journey - The less thatâs said about this album, the better.
Beaucoups of Blues was actually quite well-received. No one called him a genius for it, and it wasnât a serious personal record and therefore wasnât treated that way, but journalists seemed uniquely able to let themselves enjoy this record despite the serious/political/personal tone of most musicians at the time. Melody Maker believed Ringo had "conviction and charm" and that because of that, the album stripped away the serious âhip posturingâ and let you just enjoy the music on its own terms. The Village Voice said that Ringo was âgood at making himself felt.â Although Rolling Stoneâs tone was a bit more cruel than other magazines (there was a crack somewhere in there that Ringo wasnât as smart as John), it also called him lovable and the record âa real winnerâ where the songs âsound terrific.â
Ringo was a total smash and I think people forget this. Itâs remembered only because itâs an album that was worked on by all four Beatles, but actually, the critics fuckin loved it. Ringo was praised in Rolling Stone for his unpretentiousness, sensibility, and essentially collaborative nature:Â âRingo was always the figure of conciliation within the Beatles, undoubtedly the most genial, conceivably the most sensible, and the one with the smallest musical axe to grind. His very lapses bespoke the esteem in which the others held him; had they not liked him so much, those perfectionists would never have allowed him to sing. Perhaps because as the drummer he stood outside the process of creation, he had the best perspective from which to see the Beatles as a unity. Ringo has never had any pretense of self-sufficiency. Once he had gotten his special projects out of the way (projects for which John, Paul and George's talents would have been unsuited anyway) Ringo was ready to call upon the three most obvious people to assist him with writing, singing and playing. As Starr's first "pop album," Ringo signifies a homecoming, not just of family, but in musical style as well.â
Goodnight Vienna was kind of a minor album for Ringo, but still, reviews were pretty good. Rolling Stone praised his âunalloyed sincerity which is his trademark and trump card.â Yet again, we see the theme of authenticity popping up in these reviews - if you are perceived as authentic, honest, and sincere, that takes you a long way with music reviewers in this time period, and Ringo was nothing if not wholly, completely himself.
Paul
McCartney - One of the main complaints of Paul fans is that Jann Wenner forced Langdon Winner, the author of the review for this album in Rolling Stone, to rewrite his article and put a more negative spin on it. The result is that Winner praised most of the music but totally undermined his own praise by questioning the authenticity of the tone and deriding the press release that came with the album as much as he praised the music. He ends the article like this: âI like McCartney very much. But I remember that the people of Troy also liked that wooden horse they wheeled through their gates until they discovered that it was hollow inside and full of hostile warriors.â This was a huge blow at a time when personal authenticity and substance were considered paramount. Melody Maker also questioned the legitimacy of his genius, saying âWith this record, [McCartney's] debt to George Martin becomes increasingly clear.â Most other reviews werenât any better.
Ram, I mean, Jesus Christ the reviews for this. Itâs a widely respected album now, even made the RS top 500 albums of all time list last year, but at the time people were still so angry with Paul for supposedly breaking up the Beatles that they were still taking it out on his music a year later (imo). Landau in Rolling Stone called it âemotionally vacuousâ and said it lacked conviction, saying also that it was âso incredibly inconsequential and so monumentally irrelevant you canât even [hate it]; it is difficult to concentrate on, let alone dislike or even hate.â NME called it âthe worst thing Paul McCartney has ever done.â Threaded through these reviews is a belief that the songs are devoid of meaning and that Paulâs happy domestic front is just a frustrating lie; Christgau in The Village Voice said he was âinfuriated by the McCartneys' modern young-marrieds imageâ - infuriated because he clearly doesnât believe it, rendering Paul dishonest and his music inauthentic. Once again journalists are unable to review Paulâs music without sniping about him as a person.
Wild Life - Though the situation remains largely the same - reviewers refuse to take him seriously, believe anything he says, or treat his musical talent as anything but vacuous fluff - the reviews arenât quite as bad as they were for Ram and a bit of positivity begins to stir. Itâs evident especially in the Rolling Stone review, where Mendelsohn wonders if Paul is making crappy fluff on purpose to piss John off because it will sell just as well anyway. Itâs not much, and on top of the fairly strong criticism there is almost no hope for future Paul releases:Â âMy own conviction is that we'd be foolish to expect anything much more earth-shaking than Wild Life out of McCartney for a good long while... In the meantime the reader is advised to either develop a fondness for vacuous but unpretentious pop music or look elsewhere for musical pleasure.â But itâs something.
Red Rose Speedway Paul continues to be lambasted by a lot of the press on this album for being lightweight and having no meaning behind his songs (at this point itâs just repetitive to quote the articles, just trust me that they say basically the same thing they were saying for the past three albums too), BUT I think a nuance that gets forgotten in all of this is that Rolling Stone gave it kind of a decent review. It seems like they finally quit gatekeeping and realized that songs donât need to have some deep personal meaning to be good. Kaye is still not very nice about Paulâs lyrics but he recognizes that he doesnât have to take Paulâs music on the same terms as he takes John and George. Paulâs music is less personal, but that doesnât make it unworthy. He calls it âpleasant, accessible without concentrationâ and praises Paulâs voice and arranging skills. It feels like for this album, Rolling Stone took the stick out of its own ass when it came to Paul and finally relaxed enough to receive Paulâs music on his terms rather than theirs. Which, imo, primed the rock world for...
Band on the Run, Paulâs comeback. Even though Christgau in The Village Voice remained unconvinced (he called it âa pleasant piece of hackworkâ), almost everyone else adored it. It seems weird to us now, but the general sentiment seemed to be that people were surprised by how good this album was. NME said, âThe ex-Beatle least likely to re-establish his credibility and lead the field has pulled it off with a positive master-strokeâ; and although Landauâs review in Rolling Stone overflowed with praise, he also said, âI'm surprised I like Band on the Run so much more than McCartney's other solo albums because, superficially, it doesn't seem so different from them.âÂ
I hope Iâve been able to demonstrate a general trajectory with the musical reputation of each Beatle here. John starts off on two incredible high points, crashes and burns, and then works his way back up. He DEFINITELY missed with STINYC, but even when he followed it up with Mind Games, there was still a hopeful tone to the reviews, sort of like, âAh, well, the last two werenât great but weâre still looking forward to what John will give us next.â Until the Dark Horse tour/album, which did sour the press on poor George, the music press adored him. It was hit after hit with him. He could not miss. Three high points, one after the other, then a monumental crash. Ringo seems to stay fairly high, even if the records arenât serious records. All three of them start out incredibly well, and the music press was able and willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Paul was given none of that. Perhaps because he was out of step with the attitudes about music at the time, perhaps because journalists hated him for breaking up the Beatles, perhaps because they believed John when he painted Paul as âestablishment,â perhaps a combination - whatever their issue was, Paul was given no benefit of the doubt to start with, no faith in his genius, and no belief in his authenticity. He was just a hack to the music press for the first few years of the 70s; he started at the bottom and was forced to work his way up, unlike the other three. It started, imo, when Wenner forced the journalist who wrote the McCartney review in RS to rewrite the article, and it spiraled from there. He was seen as hollow and uncool, as one of the anons said, âstraightâ in the parlance of the time - straight meaning âestablishment.â This is kind of where I do start to roll my eyes a little bit at stans, when they get upset at people calling him âestablishmentâ and trying to prove that actually he was so anti-establishment that people couldnât handle it or whatever, without trying to understand what the word âanti-establishmentâ meant at the time. But there are also really substantive arguments you can make that say Paulâs music was not taken seriously because of a personal grudge against him.
Iâm not saying that all of them didnât have run-ins with the music press. Iâm saying there is nuance here that I donât think these anons are allowing for in the first few years of that decade. They came at George and John and Ringo with a positive, or at least neutral, slant most of the time. They came at Paul with a negative one. Case in point are the reviews of Band on the Run that were surprised at how good it was. That stuff gets peopleâs hackles up. The others didnât have positive reviews rewritten to be more negative. The others didnât have albums savaged that are now on the Rolling Stone top 500 albums of all time list. I do agree that John, at least, and George post Dark Horse, had a harder time with the music press than people generally remember or care to think about â deification is retroactive, I guess, and as Paul fans we should definitely recognize that Paul wasnât the only one who went through a rough time with the press. But I do think Paulâs situation was made uniquely and unjustifiably difficult for those first few years.
I mean, at the same time, I cannot stress enough how much this did not affect his bottom line. Despite the horrible reviews, Ram still made a ton of money, McCartney made a ton of money, Band on the Run and Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway all made a ton of money. He had a fanbase, a huge one, that followed him loyally and faithfully through the early 70s as he was getting savaged by the press, and through the middle and late 70s when he was touring. At some point, you have to step back and go, wait. Why does any of this matter? This was 50 years ago. He was a multi-millionaire then and is a billionaire now. And you are right; whenever people over-generalize and try to make the case that Paul was always badly reviewed and the others were press darlings, I tend to get annoyed because theyâre totally missing the actually interesting nuances of the situation (that can be easily found online! I found most of the music reviews through snippets on Wikipedia!) In conclusion, I guess my point is that both âPaul was vilified while everyone else wasnâtâ and âeveryone was equally vilifiedâ paint the events of the early 70s with brushes that are too broad and miss the nuance that was evident in the way the press interacted with their music.
#Anonymous#macca#johnny#geo#ritchie#fab four#sorry this isn't so much a response to anon's points as it is me going off on research tangents and accidentally writing a masters thesis#reading old rolling stone album reviews is such an unexpected pleasure i recommend it
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Tobirama angst, dawg.
Tearing into Tobs is one of my favorite pastimes. Also love writing Tobirama in political drama, whether it be AU or Canon, I donât care, letâs fuck it up. This is def more relationship angsty towards the end. Also you should read it, bc I might continue this.
Standing silently, you stared down the man in front of you, combatting the unforgiving glare he had been giving you ever since the pair you had returned from the council meeting. You knew very well that he was angered at you, and he had very right reason to be. You had attacked his decisions as a Hokage right in front of the entire council, something that was unprecedented under Tobiramaâs leadership. It was something that anyone with even a miniscule amount of healthy fear of Tobirama wouldnât have done, but you had never been one to fear the man in front of you, and for what he was proposing, he deserved to be put in his place.
Lifting your chin up slowly, you raised an eyebrow at him, âYou wanted to speak to me privately, sir?â you inquired, aware that the following moments were not going to be a pleasant experience between the two of you.
Bearing into you with those sharp eyes, Tobirama didnât waste any time getting to the point of the matter, âYou undermined me in that meeting. You were disrespectful and placed uncertainty in a plan that would was acceptable in our society.â he accused.
âI didnât undermine you, Tobirama. I corrected your mistakes; mistakes that would have been costly to the village.â you refuted calmly, defending yourself. âI wasnât trying to demean you, rather instead protect the village.â
Yet even with your attempt at an explanation of what had happened less than an hour ago, you could see him tensing up the more you spoke against the matter. Coming at you again, he cut into your character. âYouâre being ignorant. Y/N. My decision had justifiable causes and should not be in question at this very moment. Stop trying to protect every individual and start being an actual leader for once and making the sacrifices required to have a prosperous village.��� he snapped.
Taking a deep breath, you shook your head. Tobirama was a logical man, truly he was, but sometimes there was a point of being too logical where disastrous decision making could occur unless it was balanced out with a reasonable force, and he was quickly approaching that point in his leadership. Remaining level headed, you began trying to realized with the stubborn man, âI understand youâre trying to define your legacy within this village and create what you think is most profitable future, and me speaking out against you went against what you are trying to establish-â
âThen why did you do it?â he cut you off coldly.
Narrowing your eyes at his disrespect towards you, your response was snapped out harsh. âYou cannot ostracized an entire clan, because of your bad blood, Tobirama! I donât care what you feel that Uchiha have done to you or the village, you cannot place such a social barrier on them! That is setting the entire village up for a civil war down the road!â you barked out the potential consequences.
His glare just seemed to continuously harden, âWhy are you turning a blind eye to them? No matter what side of the issue you look at it from, they are an unstable and untrustworthy clan. Have you forgotten all the injustice that they have caused? Forgotten the family that both of us lost because the Uchiha?â
âDonât bring the Warring States Era up! That was a time of war and political dishevel- where all clans were against each other! My clan and your clan were against each other just as you were against the Uchiha. We did not lose family just to the Uchiha! You of all people shouldnât try to play that against my reasoning, Tobirama!â you hissed. âThe Senju- you specifically is the reason my sisterâs dead, so using that era against me is unjustifiable!â you broke his accusations.
For a moment he fell silent, not yet having a response to the truth that had been buried deep in the history of you two.
Pursing your lips, you shook your head at him again. âTobirama, I am not trying to do anything to destroy your legacy or administration; I understand you are doing everything you can for the village, but I am trying to stop you from making a poorly executed decision that will have terrible political outcomes. This is no longer just world of trying to protect ourselves and make it to tomorrow. With the formation of the village came the formation of a political game that must be played very carefully.â you spoke calmly, trying to rid some of the tension in the air.
âI already realized that, Y/N.â he said, attempting  to contain his anger a bit more now seeing that you were trying with him.
âThen you should realize that limiting a clan that is very powerful and has so much potential if guided correctly will not end nicely. Placing such a social barrier on them will only further strengthen the problematic tensions that are already there, which will just lead to revolt later on down the line. I know that the Uchiha do not have the cleanest slate, but give them a chance at redemption. This village is new, a clean slate for all of us, it should be for the Uchiha too. It is not the entire clan that has done wrong; there is hope in that clan-â you tried again, but he cut you off.
âThis optimism is insulting to your intelligence, Y/N.â
Narrowing your eyes at him for saying such thing, you still tried to remain collected though there was a crossness to your voice, âSo youâre telling me that you see the same hate and darkness in Kagami as you saw Madara. You see that same vicious hatred in that twenty two year old who nearly died taking a hit for his teammate in order to protect this village? You are willing to place irrevocable limitation on your best pupil, because with your potential plan; you will be limiting the most skilled shinobi with the most potential you have on your team, solely because of his clan.â you laid out the harsh reality of what his plan held for the future. âI am not defending Madara and his actions against us, but I am protecting ones like Kagami- your student- who embody the future that this village needs.â you defended.
Though this did seem to bring some light to the potential repercussions of his plan, it was not enough, âSo be it. I am not willing to even allow the risk of this village having to suffer through what the Uchiha are capable of. Even if there are ones like Kagami, there are still ones like Madara, and that is enough for us to have protective measures against them.â he affirmed, not giving into you.
Frowning, you delivered a defeated sigh, âFine, but without my blessing, the council will not follow through with it. You may be Hokage, but I have the most political insight, and if they do not have the faith that I give, then they will not agree with it.â
And suddenly all that anger that had seemingly been diminishing was back as he threatened you. âKnow your place, Y/N. You are simply an advisor, and I can take away the privilege as easily as I gave it to you. You do not have acting power, I do, and it is my decision that will happen within this village. Your optimism and ignorance is not going to cost this village the protection that it needs.â he hissed at you.
âExcuse me-â you interjected him, âDo not dare place yourself above me. Do not dare forget that you married me for political gain. Do not dare forget that it was me who got you to this point!â you snapped right back at him, the same viciousness that he had towards you. âWithout me, you would be nothing, Tobirama! I made you who you are and brought you into the position that you are in! There is no way in hell that you should even remotely think that you are above me in any way, shape, or form. I am has much of driving force in the creation of this village as you!â you yelled. âWithout me forgiving you and covering up the Senjuâs massacre of my family, then the public would be looking at you and all the Senju as they are looking at the Uchiha now! It was me who allowed you into the place that you are right now! You have no right to have a condescending attitude towards the one you owe everything to!â you screamed the truths that he had hid for years.
Though all he did was hardened his glare towards you for insulting his pride. âYou understood what you were doing, and this is the future you chose.â
Gritting your teeth at him, you shook your head, âSOME DAYS YOU ARE PATHETIC AND MISGUIDED, TOBIRAMA! I DID ALL THAT FOR THE SAKE OF THIS NEW VILLAGE; IF I DIDNâT SEEK PEACE AND HAD FAITH IN THIS VILLAGE, THEN I WOULD HAVE FURTHERED THE WAR AGAINST MY FAMILY AND THE SENJU, NOT MARRIED YOU AS BONDING OF OUR CLANS! DO NOT EVER THINK THAT I DO NOT HAVE THE VILLAGEâS BEST INTEREST AT HEART; THAT IS THE SINGLE THING THAT I TRULY LOVE. IT IS NOT YOU; IT IS THIS VILLAGE. DO NOT EVER FORGET THAT!â
And this time, he remained silent.
Inhaling sharply, you stated your resolution, âIn the end, I will stand by this village and what it needs to survive in the future- whether it goes against you or not, and if our marriage is sacrificed to ensure the future of Konoha, then so be it, Tobirama.â
#this is probably stupid#I like characters yelling at tobs#idc#my fav thing to write#bahaha#tobirama#yall probably dont like it#tobirama senju
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Can I get a fuckkng uh.... G, M, P??
G: Do you write your story from start to finish, or do you write the scenes out of order?
Bro, start to finish. If I write scenes out of order I forget what I want to really put into the story and it messes it up. For Show Me How, I wrote two chapters ahead of the one that needed finished and it completely derailed what I wanted because I was focused on the future chapters rather than the one I wanted to finish.
M: Got any premises on the back burner that youâd care to share?
Ohhhhhh boy. YES. AND I CANNOT STOP THINKING ABOUT IT. I have two actually.
The first is a Midam Library!AU consisting of three prompts:i) Â Â Â Youâre overdue on this book and I want it so Iâm tracking u the fuck downii) Â Â Â I work in the library and Iâm a little concerned for your health bc you never stop studyingiii) Â Â The libraryâs pretty empty save for you and me and OH that couple making out loudly in the shelves somewhere
Second is a new Teen Wolf fic. UGH THIS ONE. Iâm literally itching to get it started. Iâm working on an intro post right now, but itâs going to be amazing. I donât want to release too much until after I post the intro, but hereâs a slightly long snippet.
Basically, Scott and Allison are brother and sister (not blood related) bc Noah and Chris get together when the kids are young after they meet at a grief support meeting because both of their wives died. Sheriff is still Sheriff. Chris is still Chris. They all know everything exists, the whole supernatural spectrum. Chris, along with his father, insists that, especially in their lines of work, that the kids should be trained to fight. It takes a long time, but after Chris is nearly killed on a trip gone wrong, Noah agrees.
Cue 9 years later and Stiles and Allison are nearly finished with high school and their dads consider it a blessing that their skills havenât been needed to be put to use. But in Beacon Hills, nothing good lasts forever. Allison and Scott have been together for year and Stiles couldnât be happier for his best friend and sister. After four misguided attempts, by his friends, at setting Stiles up by, Stiles admits to them that heâs been in an online relationship for nine months, after talking for three months. Stiles has been forced to keep so many secrets all his life, it was nice to keep one for himself.
The Argents and Hales have had a pact of peace since Chris moved to town and even more so since Noah became Sheriff. Their town is quiet and the biggest crime of the past decade was a bank robbery that was stopped in the middle of the theft because Chris had been making a deposit in their kidsâ trust funds. But everyone can feel something on the cusp, something dark and life-altering headed their way. They can do nothing but waitâŚand hope that they have prepared enough for this.
Peter Hale was well-known in both hunter and werewolf circuits. He was well respected, intelligent, wise, strategic, powerful, and compassionate. He was also stubborn, aggressive, protective, and ruthless. Heâd been travelling from pack to pack and faction to faction, discreetly establishing pacts between hunters and werewolves and heâd been generally successful. His sister wanted nothing more than to be able to have her and her family live in relative peace. After her death, Peter sought to make her dream come true so that her kids could live their lives the way they wanted.
For the past nine months, Peterâs been in a relationship with someone heâs never met. Honestly, heâs never been happier. He doesnât care that heâs only seen Stiles in picture and their rare video calls. He knows that Stiles is something special and Peter is completely infatuated. Stiles has only asked twice when they could meet. The first time Peter was in the middle of a bloody mediation in Paris. The second time, Peter was too nervous to go through with it. His feelings for Stiles scare him sometimes and he doesnât want to Stiles to meet him and deem him unworthy. Peterâs only been truly scared a handful of times in his life. Nothing scares him more than losing Stiles.
Derek calls Peter and asks if heâd come back to Beacon Hills for a pack meeting. Peterâs been waiting for this call for a while. Derek took up the head of the pack when Peter explained what he was going to do. Derek wanted to head the pack, but Peter knew heâd eventually grow complacent and want to see the world. They agree to wait a week for the pack to acclimate to the shift in power. The night before Derek leaves, someone is turned.
Imagine all your life, being train to kill something that your best friend and for Allison, your boyfriend, ends up becoming. When Scott nervously tells them that he thinks heâs a werewolf, Allison and Stiles are shocked. Chris and Noah have worked hard to keep their kids away from negotiations with the Hale pack. When they donât bat an eye, Scott asks them why they havenât said anything. Stiles laughs and says something to the effect that they already know. They all go to Scottâs house and Allison and Stiles tell him everything they know. Allison comforts Scott while Stiles tries to figure out a way to keep this from his parents and Gerard and get in contact with the Hale pack without anyone finding out.
Chris and Noah find out the two nights later when Scott, sweating nervously, lets slip that the moon must be affecting him. Honestly, he was scared that they would try to break him and Allison apart if they found out. The irony is not lost on him. Thereâs a deadly silence for a long moment and everyone looks at one another, trying to decipher what they should do next. Allison and Stiles nod to one another when Chris and Noah leave the table. They rush to their rooms and grab their favorite and most skilled weapons. For Stiles, a dual set of matte black Beretta 92FS pistols with suppressors. For Allison, her favorite black compound bow and well-stocked quiver. When they come out, their dads are also geared up and Scott stares blindly at the silent power his second family is capable of.
Chris mentions that Derek said his uncle was back in town and taking over the pack. Noah sighs in a way that gives Stiles pause. He knows his dad better than anyone, he knows when heâs worried, scared even, for what was ahead of them. He watched his dad kiss Chris and Stiles quickly texted his boyfriend to let him know that he wouldnât be available to talk tonight. He got a reply immediately and felt less guilty when Peter told him he was busy as well. They all file into the SUV and drive towards the Haleâs home. Allison and Stiles shared an excited look over Scottâs confused face. They were finally going to be a part of what theyâve been trained for.
No one is prepared for what happens when they reach the house. The house is engulfed in flames and before they could reach out to help, Derek had Noah pinned against a tree and Chris had a gun trained on Derek before he could say a word. Stiles and Allison had taken positions on either side of there parents and Scott, Stiles facing the road and Allison facing the house, establishing a perimeter of protection around them as the last of the pack slowly approached them. A hush falls over the woods, the sound of support beams falling and flames flickering the only thing heard over the breathing. A voice rings out among the quiet chaos, appeasing both sides quickly, guns being holster, and Stilesâ heart stops. It couldnât be. Stiles holster his pistols and slowly turns around to face what he hoped wasnât the truth. They lock eyes and Stiles feels his entire world shifts, knowing nothing will every be the same.
I know I said I didnât want to give too much away, but honestly this is literally just scratching the surface. AND IâM SO EXCITED FOR THIS. I NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
P: Are you what George R. R. Martin would call an âarchitectâ or a âgardenerâ? (How much do you plan in advance, versus letting the story unfold as you go?)
I am a gardening architect. Overall, I have specific details that have to become a part of the story, but for all I have written, the story controls itself. With Hollow Moon, right now, itâs completely taken on a mind of its own and I couldnât be happier with the direction itâs going. Iâm so excited for the next chapters because theyâre going to be amazing. Stiles is going to be amazing.
Thank you Kelly!! U DA BEST.
ask me things!
#the second question though#fic stuff#RWTW#i'm so excited#dear babe letters#thank you!!!#gingerwerk#hollow moon update#hollow moon family
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Some Background on That One Super Famous Cluster B Personality Disorder and Some Brief Meta Tying It to Kai Parkerâs Problematic (but Fine AF) Ass Because I Said I Would Do This
Okay, this isnât a research paper, so Iâm not going to put ref points throughout the post, but Iâll write down the full names of the texts and articles I used at the bottom in case youâre interested in checking them out yourself. Some info/pics come from old annotated notes, but I likely will only use those for examples provided by previous professors. NONE of these visuals are mine, theyâre copyrighted and Iâm posting them for educational purposes. Iâm making no profit off of this. Obviously. This is a damn fan blog.Â
First off, lets talk behavior and psychopathology, then Iâll get into like...the barest bit of some of the complex anatomy and physiology behind them. Then Iâll talk Kai Parker a little and how he fits this. This post is gonna be hellaciously long, since itâs an academic reference/meta, so read more under the cut:
Personality is something pervasive, long term, and generally not mutable in a person. And individualâs personality will develop in childhood and are measured by rating the general patterns of disordered conduct/socializing of traits known as the big 5: neuroticism, extraversion, openness to experience, agreeableness, and conscientiousness. These traits, like anything dealing with the mind, are measured on a spectrum and patterns of extremely high pervasiveness of traits in some areas and extremely low pervasiveness in others that results in a diminished or troubled quality of life is what results in a personality disorder.
Personality disorders are sorted into 3 groups called clusters:
Kai falls into cluster B - he has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD from here on, can also be noted as APD), historically called âsociopathyâ. ASPD is more commonly diagnosed in men than in women, (although this might be in part due to societal/gender biases of both the patient and the clinician, but I digress), with a prevalence in the clinical population of 3.9-5.9% and in the general population of 1.0%-1.8%. Itâs rare, but not the rarest personality disorder by any means. No unicorns here.
I personally denote ASPDers as the biggest con-artist assholes youâll ever have the displeasure of meeting, but thatâs not very academic, so Iâll copy my one of my textbookâs format and break this up into a few categories. More information can be found in references.
Clinical Description And Criteria:
âI am entitled to break rules.â
That right there is the sun with which ASPD revolves around. The disorder is characterized by extreme selfishness and disregard for others, highly impulsive and risky behavior (like drug use, reckless stunts, fighting), and unusual emotional responses and fits of rage, but no deficits in reasoning ability. People with ASPD know what theyâre doing, understand the social norms/ rules behind them and donât care. In regards to the Big 5 personality traits this is what they look like (L is low, H is high):
And diagnostic criteria for ASPD on the DSM-5 looks like this:
YOU HAVE TO HAVE DISPLAYED CONDUCT DISORDER AS A CHILD TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH ASPD AFTER 18. Remember an individualâs personality develops in childhood and is long-lasting. Conduct disorder in children is diagnosed with this criteria:
ASPD has a pretty high heritabilty (about 40-50%) and itâs fostered in hostile environments characterized by lack of warmth, exposure to violence, high negativity, parental inconsistency or parental ASPD, and/or poverty.
While ASPD is associated with poor impulse control, there is still no deficit in reasoning ability. ASPDers with a high intelligence quotient (IQ) are less likely to get caught or engage in illegal or destructive behavior because they know the game. Theyâd rather be free to fuck people over than in a system and can be quite adept at hiding their traits. This leads me to psychopathy. Thereâs still some debate about whether psychopathy should be considered different from ASPD, but most clinicians these days agree that psychopathy as a subset of symptoms that fall under ASPD. So just like all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares, all psychopaths (at this point) are ASPDers, but not all ASPDers are psychopaths.Â
Psychopathy:
Defining characteristics of psychopathy include:
If youâre having a hard time reading this, the red and blue branches indicate what aspects of psychopathy are influenced by what bit of anatomy dysregulation. AMG - amygdala, PCC - posterior cingulate cortex, MPFC - medial prefrontal cortex. The coronal slices (red, bottom blue) are as if youâre looking at a person face to face - your left is their right. Top blue is scanned from the right side (See that scrunchy round thing behind the straight part? Below the âPCCâ? Thatâs the cerebellum behind the brain stem. Itâs in the back of your head, to help with orientation.) Middle blue is as if you and the person are facing the same direction, but youâre taller and looking straight down on their head. Hope that helps you out!
In general, with regards to criminal behavior, high IQ psychopaths are called âsubclinicalâ psychopaths and are not generally studied bc...well, they blend in. They find other, legal or discreet ways to fulfill thrill seeking behavior.
Psychopathy has some actual distinct differences in the brain that can be physiologically measured. Itâs typically shown by differences in the the right amygdala and the anterior rostral prefrontal cortex (arPFC from here on), especially on the right side. (The right hemisphere of the brain is responsible for emotional recognition and expression, while the amygdala controls fear responses/recognition and the PFC in general controls different aspects of higher cognition. In this case, itâs likely the conversion of emotionality to morality, since emotions play a large part in fostering sympathy and from there moral judgement.) See?
Integrative Biopsychosocial Model of APD:
Bio (Genetics and neurobiology): Twin and adoption studies show that ASPD is highly heritable, but itâs the gene-environment interaction that is integral for ASPD development. ASPD is an endophenotype - the underlying aspects of disorder are genetic (low levels serotonin and dopamine (the chemical neurotransmitters), or in the case of psychopaths, low levels of serotonergic or dopaminergic axons (the anatomy that receives the NT)) and provide the unique emotional aspects of ASPD, but the social behavior presentation is guided by the environment (early childhood stress, lack of social guidance, etc). The arousal theory, if youâre interested, is based of the endophenotypes and can explain how certain behaviors arise from them (i.e. ASPDers, esp. psychopaths, are stimulation seeking bc of low response in reward systems (serotonergic/dopaminergic)). *I add on dopamine bc itâs an important chemical in the brainâs reward system, but serotonin is the key one.
Psychosocial (mental and environmental): Inconsistent parental punishments, lack of punishment for aggressive/antagonist behavior, environments that propagate violence, high risk-reward and fearless psychology all lend themselves to the development of the disorder.Â
The disorder is like a measuring cup and each influence is water filling it until the water level reaches the mark where the disorder presents itself.Â
When it comes to ASPD, prevention, not treatment is preferred. Redirecting behavior patterns in kids with conduct disorder is your best bet compared to trying to get a fully formed, highly aggressive ASPD adult to behave.
Hereâs a case study from my abnormal psych textbook depicting what the youâd most likely see in clinical ASPD case (i.e. in âthe systemâ , like prison or a hospital):
(See why I said con-artists asshole? Ryanâs a fucking dick.)
References:
âAbnormal Psychology: An Integrative Approachâ 7th Edition, David H. Barlow & V. Mark Durand {This is the book I used in my psychopathology class, which is for...understanding pathologies of the mind lol.}
âNeuroscienceâ 5th Edition, Dale Purves {Great book for detailed anatomy and physiology of neural circuits, and I didnât get into like I could, but the emotion chapter is dense and thatâs a lot of info to slam you with.}
âThe Foundations of Behavioral Neuroscienceâ 9th Edition, Neil R. Carlson {Easy to read and a great general capstone text}Â
Okay, so now that we got the science, on to Kai Parker:
Right, so I think itâs safe to say that, canonically, Kai mostly fits the criteria for ASPD, but youâre def free to go back over all that up there and do your own comparison. We all know how Kai is an admitted âsociopathâ. Considering Joshua Parkerâs behavior, we can probably take a gander on the genetic component and considering the entire Gemini premise, plus the way Kai in particular was raised as the outsider in his family, we have an idea of the hostile and warmth-lacking environment that fostered it.
Because itâs TVD, I do think Kai was written to cater that whole âhandsome, suburban white boy gone wrongâ schtick, but I also think heâs one of the most subtly well-fleshed characters that show ever produced. Thereâs this one article I read for a neuro lit course (âLoneliness and associated violent antisocial behavior: analysis of the case reports of Jeffrey Dahmer and Dennis Nilsen.â authored by W.H. Martens and G.B. Palmero) that really stuck to me in a pervasive way and itâs about how chronically festering feelings of neglect and loneliness, of feeling like an unaccepted outsider, drove Dahmer and Nilsen to take their victimâs lives in a misguided way to dissuade the loneliness.
Having read that makes me wonder how Kai, the fictional serial killer, reflects his real life counterparts. The drive for merging and becoming coven leader is something that would force others to acknowledge him, which ties into his âblack sheepâ speech, his âI was never hugged as a child and my siblings were kept awayâ complaint (There are a lot of inconsistencies in his dialogued back story that bother me, but it makes me wonder if he ever lied about his past: âmy favorite memory is when I finally beat him to deathâ and the preceding story about Mario Kart with the bby bro seems like something he might have just made up to fuck with Elena), and other vocalizations heâs made about his past which point to him being the misfit and desiring a sense of belonging. While we know Kaiâs ASPD is a part of his characterization, this to me seems out of the norm for this disorder, simply because it indicates an understanding of sympathy that is unwittingly emotional.
Of course, Kai could also just want to be able to lord the worldâs biggest âFU!â over his abusers.
Either way, anti or not, when using the ASPD/sociopath argument to defend or dismantle Kai as a character, I think itâs a good idea to keep in mind that Kai was written inconsistently. He shows very little impulsivity or recklessness in 1994, one trait which is almost a given with ASPD, nor was he flightly/irresponsible. He always had some end-goal or plan in mind. This was pre-merge. But he was also manipulative and showed no regret about the people he hurt. Obviously, each case of the disorder is unique because they exist on a spectrum, but the pattern and criteria are there due to broad commonalities in each case. The way the media tends to portray ASPD is not all consistent with the way the disorder presents irl.
#Kai parker#ASPD info#antisocial personality disorder#kai parker meta#tvd meta#bonkai#which I mean...i guess
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oh thatâs really interesting! mânot sure i agree with everything here, necessarily, but i can definitely see what you mean!
i definitely agree that calebâs deal w/waiting is v different from nottâs. bc heâs for sure waiting for stuff, but heâs def not waiting for his turn
his âwaitingâ is mostly making gradual progress & biding his time goal-wise bc heâs not powerful or well-connected enough yet (sidenote: his main goal atm i feel is less altering reality and more taking down the assembly? so he already has sth more attainable & i donât know that i quite agree that helping-nott is the perfect purpose for him--i also donât know how comfy i am w/the idea? for reasons i canât seem to articulate it rubs me slightly the wrong way)
meanwhile nottâs âwaitingâ is always putting her emotions on the backburner bc theyâre not important next to everyone elseâs (waiting on her goals is a byproduct of that; is 1 symptom of many, not the overall problem)
& caleb, so far as i can tell, doesnât have that particular problem?
maybe on a--smaller level, thereâs a few times he delays having important conversations bc heâs waiting for a quiet moment (see: assarius). but by & large if heâs having some kind of Emotional Hooplah he says something about it to someone. sometimes heâs ignored (like with yussahâs tower) and the situation goes ahead anyways and he begrudgingly goes with it--but then shortly afterward he explains his feelings & perspective
& if we look at how caleb does approach the problem of perceived conflicting emotional needs--so far it seems his solution is to confide in someone whose emotional needs donât conflict w/his own at the moment (see: nott, after the fiasco on the docks in nicodranas; beau, that night by the hellbridge)
also he often initiates conversations abt his feelings out of the blue, which nott would find uhhhh unthinkable to do herself personally
heâs not--
he doesnât constantly shoulder his burdens alone w/out speaking to anyone about them, the way nott does, i think is what iâm trying to say (....five yearsâ silence notwithstanding lmao) (not even in terms of his goals, tbh, bc like you said heâs always trying to collect favors and allies)
(not to say he never keeps things quiet? the residuum moment comes to mind... just--he doesnât have quite the same pattern)
as to calebâs waiting for confirmation of what nott wanted--iâm with you to an extent, bc heâs very much âokay, i have addressed the problem as best i can, have said my piece and made my offer, and the ball is now in your court, because this is your life and these are your choicesâ
but also thereâs exceptions to that rule (buying/hiding the booze without talking to her abt it, and casting suggestion w/out permission, and quietly carrying her away from the scene of grief way back when), & i feel like one of them is your exact example, specifically?
bc he v much did just charge ahead on the barest breadcrumb of her telling the group sheâd like to be veth again someday, & go quietly learn polymorph for her
which is kind of interesting, because, like--
thatâs the sort of thing nott does for him, often?
she charges ahead and sends a letter to someone he used to know, because she knows he needs friends. she charges ahead and asks the new cleric to keep an eye on him, because she knows he needs looking after and healing. she ignores the ticking clock and unlocks book after book after book in the study, because he needs them (because she needs him to be stronger). she brings up his past in front of the bright queen, because that saves him starting the conversation. she pushes for the conversation with the scourger, because thatâs what he must need! she brings up the page they stole to essek, because that saves caleb the asking. she throws herself in harmâs way for him, again and again and again, whether he wants it or not--
and he doesnât. not really. not if it means her life--
so her methods are often a little misguided, though she means well. as are his, sometimes
the difference between them there, though, is that caleb actually does ask and offer a lot more than nott? at least the way iâm perceiving it, a lot of the time, he waits just long enough to check first. or else only acts if he perceives nott as having actively asked for something herself
(i feel like thatâs been the case more & more since he cast suggestion on her. since she told him to just ask next time)
(i also feel like--it comes down, a little bit, to a difference in how they perceive themselves. like. they both hate themselves. but for all nott hates herself and thinks sheâs stupid and cowardly and bad, she does tend to trust her own judgement when it comes to What Others Need. so of course if she thinks someone needs a particular thing, she is going to go right ahead and get it for them, whether they ask for it or not. thatâs what sheâs for! and she knows how hard it is to ask for things)
(caleb meanwhile hates himself and does not trust his own judgement when it comes to What Others Need. heâs very very uncertain and looks to others for guidance a lot. so he offers, and he checks in, and he waits for others to ask)
like, with polymorph, when he just went ahead and learned it? nott hadnât asked him directly to change her back, but i get the feeling he was under the impression that by telling everyone what she wanted/needed, she was asking implicitly
and when it became clear that that wasnât the case, when she responded to calebâs âyeah so i learned polymorph for you? as a first step towards what you want?â by being kind of weirdly taken aback and cagey about things--
then caleb didnât say anything abt the subject for several episodes
which i think is where you perceive the waiting? which is totally fair & interesting! esp. w/how it relates to caleb needing a purpose and helping-nott potentially being one possible purpose, and them sidestepping around each other
and on that note--
i super agree that theyâre both too concerned with what they think their needs are to actually get what they need--but iâm curious whether you think itâs their own needs theyâre misinterpreting, or each otherâs? bc personally i think itâs a bit of both, w/caleb being maybe a little closer to understanding nottâs underlying needs than vice versa
but not quite there yet, entirely, in part bc thereâs a few pieces heâs only just grasping (like how she views herself as expendable), & in part bc heâs struggling to understand & navigate the proper balance between âsay your piece, then give nott space to make her own decisions abt her life & mental health, bc she super needs thatâ and, like, âcontinually talk to nott abt her feelings & affirm to her that her decisions are allowed & her feelings are valid & she is important, bc she super needs that.â heâs trying, but. mixed success, u know,,
which is fair bc hoo boy is that a fine line to dance on
but also what the heck do i know, & thus: curious your perspective
also i die a whole lot at your first point, abt nott being rly high up on calebâs priority list & helping her being sth that is good for him aswell as her--
i die a whole lot, he loves her. so much
& she just. doesnot see it. even though heâs told her, heâs told her so many times that heâs here for her & wants to help her w/literally whatever she needs. fuckin hell, like, she asks him to burn her alive someday and he doesnât say no, even though we all know the idea is completely repulsive to (& massively triggering for) him. he just goes âwell, i would prefer not to do it that way? but i will look into it, i will seek out options, i try my very best to get you what you wantâ
heâs told her that, straight-up, on top of all their other conversations, and still sheâs like âokay but youâre more important and youâre definitely not going to try for my thing right away, obviously my thing & my feelings are last in the order, obviously itâs everyone elseâs turn firstâ
i just wanna. hug her & go âoh buddy no,,,â
bc youâre right, youâre so right, calebâs definitely put âchange nott backâ reeeeal high on his priority list, bc he wants so badly to help her bc he loves her so much & she canât see it bc well what the fuck is there to love is she right
& parallel that w/nott telling caleb over and over sheâll be at his side until he learns to forgive himself, that she wants to help him on his journey, that theyâre in this together, & w/caleb being so sure that sheâs going to leave him to be w/yeza, & quietly resigning himself to that--
& then iâm fuCKin dead
iâve died, these 2 have killed me, i do not know how. to cope,,
tl;dr caleb is waiting goalwise, nott is waiting emotionwise, these 2 need to communicate more for suresies, caleb is actively trying & has been for a while, nott ainât hearing him, caleb ainât entirely hearing her, & they both. are murdering me v slowly
god though when nott said she feels like everyone will need to go through all of their individual journeys before they get round to her thingâ
i felt that
thereâs something my therapist said, once, when i talked about feeling similarly re: my own emotional wellbeing vs my familyâsâ
she said, âit feels like youâre just waiting for it to be your turnâ
and thatâs just nott all over, isnât it? sheâs just waiting for it to be her turn. always, always waiting
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#long post#[fjord voice] i. apologize............#i don't. know how to be concise#also pls let me know if i misinterped anything u were saying there bc i am. mildly sleepdeprived#to conclude i also have a lot of feelings abt these losers
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Can you please explain what's so good about lysandre? Not saying there isn't anything I'm just curious i never played much attention to his character I was more concerned about finding the next clothes shop in X lol
Well first off all aesthetically heâs so good.. I love his weird french gothic fashion with the fur collar and the big ass beard, but he somehow also gives off hipster/silicone valley vibes with the coffee shop thing and how he invented the holocaster. heâs just all rich and regal and modern like.. gay icon. Like they NAILED his look and feel in my opinion
But also from a storytelling standpoint I guess lys stood out to me bc his motivations werenât for self gain even remotely? which is smthn no other antagonist (except N) had ever done. He just wanted so badly to preserve peace and beauty⌠& his conflict & heartbreak was so extreme throughout xy that he cries openly at the thought of hurting pokemon for the sake of achieving his goal. He did it because he felt like he NEEDED to. Obviously this doesnât excuse his actions, but it was a really unique & touching approach to a villain and Iâm addicted to it because Iâm a soft hearted sympathetic weenie And he even carries through with it to the very end!!! heâs so willing to do what he thinks is right that he sacrifices his own life to activate the machine just once! Even though his method was obviously insane and misguided as fuck he just radiates a sense of justice and selflessness and his heart is GIGANTIC and I canât help but love him for that
Also Like., it majorly pisses me off that he died at the end of xy because he could have easily used the massive amounts of love in his heart for productive good!!!! But xyâs pacing was bizarre and they NEVER explained why he became so obsessive/unstable and misguided in his methods to end the suffering of pokemon, they just presented his character as unwavering and fucking killed him off at the end without really giving him a chance to learn where he went wrong. I wish lysandre could have reconnected and made up with sycamore and went away to self reflect, so he could have learned that the real way to achieve peace is to be kind and giving to the people around you and to make changes in yourself instead of the world but go off I guess gamefreak
#I have incredible amounts of lysandre feelings he's good#ask#also the fact that his motivation mirrored AZ (who I also love) was really interesting and fun I loved x and y
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